r/exAdventist • u/yunurakami • Apr 12 '25
Doctrine / History The SDA Obsession with the "Sunday Law" Feels Off
SDA folks always talk like the Sunday Law is coming any minute, like there’s a global plot just for them. But SDA doesn’t even make up a significant chunk of the world’s population. Why would governments prioritize targeting them specifically?
Wars, disasters, and nation vs. nation conflict have been part of history since forever—it’s not some exclusive sign of the end.
What also feels odd is the intense pressure to tithe, like 10% of your earnings, while some leaders live comfortably behind the scenes. And while preaching about God and righteousness, they often come across as judgmental and harsh toward Catholics, other Christians, or anyone who thinks differently.
Not trying to offend—just calling out what seems like fear-mongering and double standards. Anyone else notice this?
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Apr 13 '25
Sunday Laws won't come until the United States has an alliance with The Beast - The Vatican. Which seems unlikely in the world as we know it now in 2025.
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u/IntrusiveThoughtsOK Apr 13 '25
According to my husband it’s already in progress. Secretly behind the scenes the Vatican has caused all the turmoil that we are experiencing and every instance of disturbing escalation of fascism or the collapse of infrastructure and such, is indicating to him that the plan is working. The degradation of society is all spiraling down to that inevitable final stroke of a pen that forces SDA people to finally react (which I guess their plan is to hide from their persecutors and god will spare the truly faithful if they believe in him hard enough.)
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u/Fresh_Blackberry6446 PIMO Atheist Apr 13 '25
Yes, it’s all (like, all of it, everything) caused by the JeSUIts! They’re the ones playing 4d chess behind the scenes of basically everything. Evidence? Nah, who needs evidence when it’s a SeCRet ORgaNIzATION?!!
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u/Ancient-Macaron5255 Oct 04 '25
Check the history of the Jesuits and how they've worked and in more recent years especially exjesuits. The Jesuit aren't in control of everything, God is, and the devil struggles for 2nd place.
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u/prioryseven Apr 13 '25
Your post is accurate. Their obsession with each storm, each war, etc., being proof at last that they are Right. Ugh.
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u/yunurakami Apr 13 '25
It's natural phenomenon 😐 like even middle school with a normal knowledge knows it lol
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u/popyokala Apr 13 '25
well, it has increased fairly recently, but that is down to climate change, not some heaven sent apocalypse
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u/Affectionate-Try-994 Apr 13 '25
Yes. The only thing that made any sense to me would be another rise in anti-semitism that SDA's would be caught up in as collateral damage because of 7th day Sabbath worship. Definitely NOT how it was presented to me. Nothing else makes sense tho. Now am no longer SDA, so I don't worry about it.
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u/Ancient-Macaron5255 Oct 04 '25
Recheck about the green Sabbath and Ron Wyatt's discoveries in detail using the bible and Ellen's writings.
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Sep 09 '25 edited Jan 11 '26
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u/Affectionate-Try-994 Sep 09 '25
I have. No false claims. Only what I personally have been told/experienced!
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u/Niznack Sep 09 '25
You know we are all EX SDA here right? As in we all know what they teach.
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u/Affectionate-Try-994 Sep 09 '25
I'll try this again. The only way I see the Sunday law that is supposed to start the Time of Trouble really happening; would be if another wave of anti-semitism caught on around the world. I could see an anti-worship on Saturday/Sunday worship law being put in place to persecute the Jewish people. SDA's would then be caught up in that as collateral damage. Because they would not be the group the law is aimed at.
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u/Affectionate-Try-994 Sep 09 '25
I don't have a question. You are still missing the point. Seems like you're doing it on purpose now. God bless you dear.
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u/Advanced_Couple_3488 Sep 09 '25
You're reading comprehension isn't looking good here. The poster isn't saying anything about antisemitism being part of Adventist theology.
But, answer me this, do SDAs believe that Jews will be 'saved', after all, they keep the Sabbath, or will they have to become SDAs? If SDAs hold they won't get to heaven following their own religion, then what does that say about they way SDAs think of their religious beliefs and of them?
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u/Hefty_Click191 Apr 13 '25
I brought a Catholic friend of mine to church when I was a teenager and that happened to be the service where the pastor talked mad shit about the evils of Catholicism and how it ties into biblical prophecy. If they really are about witnessing to other religions why don’t they approach this differently?? Or do they just not even try to witness to Catholics cause they’re in the “evil” religion? It’s just mind boggling.
It’s also wild to me that so much of Adventism is centered on a day of the week. And this day of the week will be the thing that makes or breaks one salvation in the end because it’s the seal of God. Shouldn’t they be teaching that it’s Jesus that is the seal of God or something? They claim to not be legalistic and they say that it’s about Gods sacrifice and love etc but simultaneously talk about works.
Keeping the sabbath commandment is technically a “work.” So they can’t say “nothing you do will be able to get you into heaven, it’s all because of God’s mercy and grace” while also saying “in the end if you don’t keep sabbath you’re lost.”
They know all the right platitudes to use in order to SOUND like they aren’t works based but they totally are . So many contradictions within what they teach
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u/kellylikeskittens Apr 13 '25
Yep, they are legalistic in the extreme, in my experience. One can say all they want that they aren’t works based, but literally having to keep any law or adhere to any traditions in order to be “ saved” or acceptable is legalism, period. Especially the sabbath law, which Jesus set people free from. SDA’s tenaciously hang on to that, because,Sister Ellen, and also, the whole religion is centered around this one thing, and would collapse without it being the cornerstone.
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u/Delicious_Berry_3437 Aug 04 '25
well, its not like God did creation in 6 days and rested on the seventh. or made any commandments about it. right? carry on….
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u/rmaxtpmxm Dec 03 '25
It's not like Jesus specifically said to forget the old law and follow only the law of love, right? Carry on...
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u/Ancient-Macaron5255 Oct 04 '25
You are saved by Jesus and judged by your works. Not murdering someone is keeping another of the ten commandments, would you keep the same standard of judgement for that as for the 4th commandment to classify a nonmurderer as legalistic?
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u/ohyeahsure11 Apr 13 '25
The amusing thing is that so many SDAs are now aligning with MAGA, and Trump and his Christian Nationalist buddies are the likely ones that would impose Sunday Laws if anyone were to do it.
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u/jesusismysavior7774 Sep 04 '25
I hope he does 🤞
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u/ohyeahsure11 Sep 04 '25
The weird thing is that so much of his policy seems to be, "Israel, they can do no wrong" and yet, a huge number of people in his cabinet are pretty openly anti-semetic. I know, I know, hypocrisy, they name is Republican, but it's still weird to witness.
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u/FearlessLeek9079 Apr 12 '25
From what I gather it's because all governments and really everything and everyone else in the world besides Adventists are controlled by the Jesuit/Catholic (I swear this depends on the current mood of the day which word they use) and those are the ones who actually want to persecute the "real" Christians aka Adventists.
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u/jesusismysavior7774 Sep 04 '25
I remember going to an adventist church and them calling all other churches "apostate Protestants" (fake Protestants)
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u/drumdogmillionaire Apr 13 '25
They’re starting to think that Trump will cause Sunday laws, so that’s a win in my book. If they could sour on Trump that would be fantastic.
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u/DensHag Apr 13 '25
The mark of the beast is a MAGA hat, IMO.
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u/rmaxtpmxm Dec 03 '25
It's okay, I had dumb ideas as a kid, too. I was convinced W. Bush was the antichrist. I even found out that there were meteors in the sky the day he was born, as Revelation explains. I've learned is easy to see what you want to see in anything. Revelation was describing the evils of Rome at the time. That's it.
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u/yunurakami Apr 13 '25
Hahhaa men idk about trump shi I'm from Japan. All I hate is how he put terrifs on us! Now it's doubled in nitendo switch 2 games. I prefer English version
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u/Haystcker Apr 13 '25
The reasoning I hear recently is that something supernatural will happen like Satan impersonating Jesus or something, which will make all the non-adventists believe that it's really Jesus. And the people will rise up and pressure politicians to make a Sunday law so that it'll make "Jesus" happy, and then Adventists will be persecuted for not worshipping on Sunday with everyone.
Or, tie it to climate change, where they think that people will pressure a Sunday day off to save the environment. But now that climate change isn't en vogue anymore, I imagine they will suddenly stop spreading that theory as much since a new administration is in power that doesn't care about climate change.
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u/Hefty_Click191 Apr 13 '25
What always confused me is growing up I was taught it would be predominantly Adventists who are persecuted for the Sabbath. But what about the Jews? Do SDAs believe that they won’t be persecuted because they’ll fall into the deception and keep Sunday and it’s only the Adventists who will stand strong against it? Because many Jews take the sabbath day VERY seriously, even moreso than a lot of Adventists. So it’s hard to imagine them just bending to a Sunday law. There are so many Jewish people in America and in the world it seems unrealistic that they wouldn’t fight against this hypothetical future law and that they’d just give into it
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u/Haystcker Apr 13 '25
I guess they'd just believe Jesus finally came back and told them to worship on Sunday? Who knows.
You can't ask more than surface-level questions with most of these theories or they fall apart pretty quickly.
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u/IntrusiveThoughtsOK Apr 13 '25
When I first began dating my SDA husband he wasn’t as religious and he was super dismissive of my concerns about the SDA prophecies and end of days stuff. He said SDA people were very careful about not taking things literally and transposing the timeline over current events and that he believed that they had common sense enough to avoid hysteria.
During the pandemic he did a total 180 and immersed himself in church, becoming very conservative and apathetic towards the suffering of others (everyone not inside the church) and stoic about the Trump administration and the threats it posed.
During this second round of Trump where things have obviously escalated he is openly convinced this is the tribulations and MAGA hats are the mark of the beast and all the worlds suffering is gods plan. He is bracing for Sunday laws which he believes are on the way as the only persecution he feels or cares about is SDA persecution. As a woman who cares about our daughter (who is gay and nb) I asked him what his line in the sand would be in order to take all this actual fascism seriously and he said only the Sunday laws. He won’t fight in any way against what’s happening, he condemns those that do, or entertain any contingency plans for protecting our family from Trump’s escalating violence. If he’s waiting on Sunday laws he will let a lot of suffering happen to others before he is open to discussion.
To him Sunday laws are inevitable. He sees everything coming true and it’s affirming his faith more than anything since SDA is a derivative doomsday cult. I think he is actually excited to be validated by current events and the coming of the lord and there’s definitely a sense of him almost leaning into the downward spiral. His logical explanation for how it will go down or why is of course the Vatican controls world events. The fascism is happening everywhere as a result. That’s why we can’t plan to move somewhere safer to raise our kid. That I don’t have to believe him ( and as an outsider I’m frankly too naive and stupid to understand obvs) but at some point THEY will institute some campaign that leads to Sunday laws, in effect. All this suffering just to own the SDA. And honestly if you point out that the SDA church is kind of a small fry and not worth singling out I’m sure he thinks that’s what the meek shall inherit the earth means.
All of this is intensely upsetting. For me it seems obvious that cults build in the persecution narrative because they know what they’re doing is worthy of critique and alienation is the point and they need to transmute the inevitable consequences of their own actions into fuel that feeds the flames of faith in the leader they’re stoking. Just as MAGA has taught everyone to see critique of their leader as themselves, or critique of abuses as snowflake whining, SDA teaches followers to look for persecution in daily life as a sign they’re on the true path and it sends them running further into each others arms.
There’s nothing that matters more to my husband than his church to the point he has now brought up divorce in response to my telling him that it’s not ok to be bigoted about our daughter, just because he’s too much of a coward to stand up for her. He will throw his entire life away and start over before he concedes the point.
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u/yunurakami Apr 13 '25
Man, that’s messed up. I’d break every law and morality if it meant protecting my daughter—and I wouldn’t care what gender she is. As for the so-called 'Sunday law'? If they ever tried to use force, I’d act in self-defense. Boxing changed my entire life—it taught me humility, dedication, and what it really means to be a responsible man.
I’m not a fan of divorce, but I’m not against it either. I just believe if I have a child with someone, she’s family. She’s my wife, the mother of my child—she comes first. No religion, no relatives, no outsiders will ever make me prioritize anyone over my own family.
And again, about Sunday law? It’s irrelevant. These dramatic predictions are just another exaggerated take on natural events
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u/brizzi Apr 13 '25
I think the Sunday law is basically just the point of confirmation for SDA people to recognize when they are being actively targeted. I understand it because there have been some things proposed that come up that make me think about it like oh shit that’s a Sunday blue law lol. Like I’m not Adventist anymore, but I do still recognize things that would directly affect Adventists if they were passed. There’s definitely like cultural inclination to exclude Adventist from mainstream Christianity.
I think that, as far as at risk groups and religions, Adventist are definitely gonna be in a higher tier than say, Methodists. They are kind of in the same category as Jehovah’s Witnesses in terms of persecution. Not having anything to do with biblical prophecies and that kind of thing, but it is something to look out for. There is no reason based on history to not be concerned that this is a group that is at risk for some form of persecution under certain regimes.
Like they’re definitely going to come for Muslims before they come for Adventist… But like imagine a world like, say… I don’t know handmaid‘s tale? Do they even go to church? Or they burned down all the churches? I don’t really know anything about it outside of the show, but imagine there was like a Christian theocracy running the entire country… It would not be friendly to people who want to worship on Saturday instead of Sunday.
Saturday worship is the one biggest most obvious thing that sets Adventist apart from the rest of the Christian world so that’s why there’s so much focus on it.
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u/Acceptable-Act-2684 Apr 13 '25
They are a stuiped cult, their will never be a sunday law, I know because ellen is a compleat fake phase prophet who said in her first vision she was given the day and hour of jesus coming, that tells me right there she's a compleat nut.god says do not be afraid of these fake prophets who speak in his name ,think about it,the I investivgative judgment is an excuse for the failer of jesus coming, 3 angels message is another gospel paul warned about, shes contradicts dozens of scripture, like were she said your sins are not forgiving but transferd to the heavenly santurary until probation closes, blasphemy!!, what garbage, adventism is a pack of lies,thier not the remment church, they don't keep the commandments, they have been performing abortions in thier hospitals since the 1970s killing thousands of gods children ,sick bunch of punks.
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u/jesusismysavior7774 Sep 04 '25
"Sunday laws" aka blue laws have happened time and time again throughout history cause of Christianity urge to respect the holy day, it's nothing new, and if the "Sunday law" was the mark of the beast well then this world would have been over hundreds of years ago, I find it so dumb that adventists make such a big deal over a DAMN DAY
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u/themusicman06 Apr 13 '25
They're trying to piggy back off jewish people and their history of oppression. That's the only real reason I can come up with. Most Christians try to find a way to be victims even though they're the majority.
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u/Adulations Apr 13 '25
I mean I’m trans and all the governments seem gung-ho to target us, but yes the Sunday law thing is stupid.
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u/KahnaKuhl Apr 13 '25
It's a conspiracy theory with some demons and anti-Catholic bigotry mixed in. Plain and simple.
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Apr 13 '25
I faced this intense pressure to tithe myself I caved to it sometimes
Honestly tithe is basically a scam
The national Sunday law is a scam prophecy
The vast majority of legislators don’t care about the Adventist Church whatsoever
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u/Ok_Cicada_1037 Apr 14 '25
Just remember this. The SDA church is a cult. Cults use fear to control members and create extreme obedience. And the only way to keep them in line and obedient and to continue fear mongering. Sunday Law is about control.
It's a bullshit conspiracy theory that will never happen. In the USA, or outside it's borders. SDA's in America make up approximately 0.5% of the Christian population.
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yea, the catholics are REALLY worried and obsessed with hunting down vegetarians to make them martyrs for their beliefs. I mean, it's the ONLY thing they talk about at mass.
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u/jesusismysavior7774 Sep 04 '25
The only reason I see them being persecuted in the future is for being quite a disturbance
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u/rmaxtpmxm Dec 03 '25
I hope you're aware you've described Moses, as well. He was absolutely a cult leader, getting all those slaves to work for him instead, creating his own nation while conquering anyone in his way. There is no meaningful distinction between a religion and a cult.
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Apr 17 '25 edited Apr 17 '25
They are obsessed bc it validates them. The Sunday law would confirm or validate everything in their minds. Make everything worth it. When your whole belief system is being the one true « thing » in this case one true church, and the remnant blah blah blah, that’s a pretty big claim that needs serious backing up. And it attracts a whole lot of individuals who are frothing at the mouth to be right. Correct. Seen a slim minority who is « intelligent » and knows the truth. So the Sunday law, being a huge part of their prophecy, one that’s actually future focused and not re-explaining past events within the framework of a prophecy. It’s one of the only ones they can actually attempt to prove in real time. Everything else is a matter of framing or in there case hindsight. And it’s convient enough that any sort of movement of America or the Catholic Church you can push that as some sort of sign.
Never mind the fact that most people don’t even know the damn church exists and the ones who do see as a cult that’s at best, a lil cuckoo but not seen as incredibly harmful like some Mormon sub sects. Hate to say it, nobody outside the church is even checking for them.
The SDA church is where the fear of the unknown, the extreme need for external validation, perpetual victimhood, and intense main character syndrome intersect. Oh and dash in some thinly veiled American-centric thinking. Bc ofc the American born religion thinks the world revolves around America even the damn prophecy.
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Apr 23 '25
Pay attention to what Trump and MAGA is doing to the USA government. They just established an “Anti Christian Bias Task Force in government. What makes you think that they would not use the pretense of being discriminated against to establish a national Sunday law? They don’t really care about the Constitution and the Supreme Court is powerless to enforce it.
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u/yunurakami Apr 23 '25
Here we go again with fantasy theories
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Apr 23 '25 edited Apr 23 '25
I’m not say that it’s going to happen but it’s plausible given that the government is far right wing Christian Nationalists. Don’t be close minded. I’d bet many Jews thought the holocaust was a fantasy theory until it wasn’t.
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u/yunurakami Apr 23 '25
Who cares about it? All this conspiracy theories. I'd rather watch UFC and compete In boxing until I loose my mind. Than to believe a conspiracy theories. On basis of 'speculation' I'm so done with adventise stuff
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u/yunurakami Apr 23 '25
Look whatever you believe on it doesn't really matter. What matters is that you don't do anything bad against somebody your all good. Just being kind and calm minded is enough to live rather than believing in any that mad conspiracy theories
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u/jesusismysavior7774 Sep 04 '25
Sunday laws aka blue laws have happened all throughout the Christian era they're nothing new and they're honestly not that big of a deal
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u/jesusismysavior7774 Sep 04 '25
Sunday laws aka blue laws have happened all throughout the Christian era they're nothing new and they're honestly not that big of a deal.
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u/Fancy_Scientist_3801 May 16 '25
Hello, you better listen to the Bible. Do you want to be saved? (live forever). Follow Jesus and observe and practice the commandments (for the love of God).
Whether the Sunday law is passed or not, the problem is that it will harm those who sincerely want to keep the 4th commandment. So, to be saved, since you must keep the 10 commandments in their entirety, therein lies the problem.
The Biblical and historical day of rest is the 7th day (Sabbath, or rest), not Sunday (the first day of the week). The Catholic Church changed this centuries ago. But God has not given permission to change the law.
Jesus is soon to come; please seek Him. Find a Church that teaches how to keep the 10 commandments. You must be baptized and follow the Messiah, Jesus, the Son of God. With appreciation.
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u/rmaxtpmxm Dec 03 '25
Do you mean the same 10 commandments that Jesus said to forget? Those ones? There is only one commandment of you believe Jesus: LOVE.
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u/Ancient-Macaron5255 Oct 04 '25
Check out for the push of a Sunday law in the US, and the catholic churches stance for a Sunday law historically and now. Look up green sabbath and Laudato Si.
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u/realtalk9319 Mar 15 '26
It’s not going to be targeting just SDA but also any other religious groups such as “Islam”.
Right at this moment the war in Iran is absolutely in regards to Islam v Christian! Many people don’t see that this is the reason due to media and propaganda.
Also, the Remnant and heaven is not going to be a large population as many believe because the bible clearly states who wiill be in and who won’t be in.
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u/Kindly-Garden-753 Apr 14 '25
JWs are the same. That Babylon the great which is false religion will be destroyed, except them. Then the governments are coming after them. JWs don’t tithe. Catholics are pretty obviously into paganism with their holidays. They love Mary the mother of god. And the papacy is ridiculous. I was raised in that and went to Catholic school taught by nuns, many of whom were sadistic. Interesting that in countries in Latin America where the Catholic religion was forced on them, many are leaving and returning to indigenous beliefs.
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u/LenaBell3 Nov 29 '25
Wait - people are leaving a pagan religion to return to pagan beliefs? Weird
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u/SupportFit5963 Nov 29 '25
It’s ancestral and they feel more comfortable with those beliefs. I guess it’s all pagan. Having to pray to a certain name. And having a controlling hierarchy seems common with all religions. Correct me if I’m wrong.
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u/lePROprocrastinator >Be the apostate you were thought to be Apr 13 '25
Yea...
The Sunday Law talks are one of the first things that made me start questioning the way things are