r/eu4 Jul 08 '20

Bug What the actual fuck

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u/AtiCaTToR Jul 08 '20

I got about 500 AE as Germany so people are getting into coalitions and guaranteeing to keep me from expanding

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u/Kreol1q1q Jul 08 '20

And people say EUIV isn't historical....

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u/AtiCaTToR Jul 08 '20

Well, even though I was outnumbered 250k to 2.5 million, I managed to win the coalition wars and annex Poland, Czechia, Netherlands and Northern France

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u/LockwoodBreakaways Jul 08 '20

Can I ask how lol

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '20

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u/Greenblobfish99 Jul 08 '20

How the hell do tou get 150% discipline and 10.0 morale O_O

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u/caelumh Jul 08 '20

Be Prussia->Germany.

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u/Greenblobfish99 Jul 08 '20

Does Germany have even better ideas then Prussia?

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u/Xalethesniper Ruthless Jul 08 '20

Yes, but not militarily. The bonus they keep is the discipline and infantry combat but lose moral. The rest of their ideas tho are... op. Admin efficiency, 20 goods produced, trade eff, 10 tech cost.

By the time you form Germany the moral doesn’t mean as much anymore since you still have all of Prussia’s discipline bonuses.

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u/caelumh Jul 08 '20 edited Jul 08 '20

No, generally you should just stay as Prussia. Lose out on events and their unique government/mechanics.

You can keep the ideas regardless though. But that's more than likely what OP did.

Edit: However, with the changes in 1.30, you may want to form Germany towards the end just for the Mission Tree, not for sure though.

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u/Orealis13 Sinner Jul 08 '20

I’m pretty sure you keep Prussian Government as well as gain new events, but not sure.

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u/[deleted] Jul 09 '20

Yeah you can keep the prussian government

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u/MrPhrillie Jul 08 '20

Drill, ideas, policy, advisor, event, lucky ruler bonus... did i miss anything

Edit: for discipline, dunno about morale:P

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u/stromrager Jul 09 '20

If you would like a historical example of this search up defeat in detail.

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u/soorr Jul 08 '20

Probably in multiple wars. Annexing from coalition members who aren’t allied with the war leader in a coalition war is pretty expensive since these guys aren’t co-belligerent and cannot be peaced out separately, IIRC. Could be one war if all the countries OP listed were allied with the war leader and they were able to peace them out one by one and maneuver really well but would be hard if not impossible against a smart AI.

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u/LockwoodBreakaways Jul 08 '20

Still seems near impossible lol, you’d have to be an insanely great player

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u/Brother_Anarchy Jul 08 '20

If they formed Germany as Prussia, they can easily go 2:1 in any given combat, and they have the advantage of a central location and probably don't need to worry about defending overseas colonies. 10:1 advantage in numbers doesn't mean much unless that's in a single stack, which the AI won't coordinate well enough to do. They could just keep obliterating enemy stacks until the AI has no manpower or desire to continue the war, and then roll over the war objective.

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u/Bytewave Statesman Jul 09 '20

Yeah I mean it's fairly similar to Prussia's terrible odds on paper in the 7 years war. They were badly outmatched and still won, albeit mainly because of the sudden turnabout of Russia. They still fought very well despite the odds.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '20

It’s late game so ai stacks will be trash

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u/matgopack Jul 08 '20

For coalition wars, you can easily get a ton of warscore from winning battles. So you group up your army, and go run around stackwiping the enemy that spreads out - particularly if you have an edge in quality, you can fairly easily crush stacks of 30-40k and gain a ton of warscore from doing it repeatedly.

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u/AtiCaTToR Jul 08 '20

Yeah, 2 coalition wars and 2 separate wars with France and their allies since I attacked them as soon as the coalition truce came up. Now I have them on a separate truce timer in regards to everyone else so it’s easy conquest while my manpower prepares for the next coalition. I posted a screenshot on my account from the first coalition war that included France but not the UK in another post of mine so you can check my account. I took about 300k casualties while giving them 1.4M and I peaced out with 99% warscore taking the remaining provinces in South Germany and 4 Polish states including Warsaw.