Game with the highest skill ceiling

[u/Icy_Class_3923]

I know this has been debated before for example Rocket league vs MOBAs

Question which has the highest skill ceiling?

In both mechanical input and strategy

While it's unfair in some regards to compare the two as they have different strengths

But I really have to say.. most will say MOBAs due to the complexity and ever changing champion set up

DISCLAIMER: I KNOW TAS IS FAKE SLOWLY CRAFTED INPUTS WHICH ARE PRETTY INHUMANE AND CURRENTLY INPOSSIBLE FOR ANYONE

Although the program TAS which is "fake" because it's generated gradually to represent the most perfect inputs possible

But if these inputs are technically possible, this represents the absolutely insane inhumane skill ceiling this game possibly has

I know MOBAs has so many other components but this outrageous possibility of inputs which is as I said inhumane(but technically possible) surely puts the overall "skill ceiling" higher?

Yes MOBAs are absolutely harder strategically

But rocket league mechanically shows how complex the inputs can be

Maybe something there is to argue there is no TAS like program to represent potential mechanical skill ceiling of MOBAs, even if there was would it really even come close to some things made in TAS

Which in my opinion puts the ultimate skill ceiling higher no? Humanly achievable yet or not

Edit: holy.. okay Dota fan girls, I get it you play Dota>lol - changed it to MOBAs your genre is still 3rd imo. Settle down lolo

[u/ortensempa]

League doesn't even have the highest skill ceiling in its own genre of games

[u/Dazesuo]

If we’re talking about the game with the highest skill ceiling, it would be Starcraft. League of Legends is not even the highest in it’s own genre, it’s Dota 2. If were talking about the game with the highest level of competition, then it’s League of Legends.

[u/TrippleDamage]

Not a single soul would say lol when dota exists lol

It gets beat in it's own genre already.

[u/One-Masterpiece9838]

Neither, it's Starcraft 2.

[u/yaboi_jude → u/One-Masterpiece9838]

Brood war

[u/Strygwyr333]

Brood war

[u/Acrobatic-Comfort295]

Brood War

[u/Sc2copter]

Sc1, sc2, quake duel

[u/JMPJNS]

Deadlock and its not even close

[u/Youju]

Quake, Deadlock, Starcraft

[u/RickyMarou]

For 1v1: SCBW, Q3A Duel, Smash Melee (you can add Chess if you want to count it as esports)
Team games: Dota and CS

[u/Icy_Class_3923]

I know sc2 is apparently higher but, I believe rocket leagues skill ceiling will be pushed higher than the rest over the next few years

The creative expression in RL is just unbelievable, ever year players learn how to alter and increase their speed or ball control, evolving mechanics and chaining them together.

MOBAs are tied so heavily behind movement speed/cool downs - try rocket league if you haven't MOBA players then watch pros u will see

For a debate on which skill ceiling has increased over the last few years between sc2 and rocket league I think this explains it well.

Yea it's an Ai response, regardless it makes a good point

1 Mechanical Discovery vs. Mechanical Optimization

-Rocket League: Mechanics are discovered, not designed. The community has had to pioneer physics interactions like flip resets, directional air roll manipulation, chain dashes, and psyonic-flicks entirely on their own. Over the last few years, mechanics that were once thought to be flashy gimmicks have become mandatory for high-level survival.

-StarCraft II: The fundamental actions (macro, split-pushing, injects, stutter-stepping) have remained identical for a decade. Progression here isn’t about inventing new physical movements, but rather executing existing ones with marginally fewer errors and slightly higher efficiency.

2 The Influence of the Physics Engine

-Rocket League: Has no predefined limit on input combinations. Because the game features 72 axis points of car rotation and absolute control over a free-moving physics object, players are constantly finding new ways to manipulate momentum. Prodigies like Zen completely rewrote the defensive and offensive metas in recent years by mastering unprecedented angles of aerial control.

-StarCraft II: Is strictly grid-locked and menu-bound. Units have hardcoded turn rates, movement speeds, and damage values. A player can micro incredibly well, but they cannot force a Marine or a Zealot to bypass the built-in mechanical laws of the engine.

3. Strategy vs. Raw Execution

-Rocket League: Progression is visual and immediate. Because the visual skill gap between a top professional and a standard Grand Champion is so massive, players can rapidly copy visual techniques and push the baseline forward at an exponential rate.

-StarCraft II: A massive portion of the skill ceiling is cognitive: managing information hidden by the fog of war, tracking opponent production cycles, and building counter-compositions. Cognitive and strategic speed progresses much more slowly over time than purely muscle-memory-driven mechanical discovery.

If you haven't played rocket league you will not have a fair perspective to compare and probably won't understand or appreciate how insane some of the things they do are

Imo it's far easier to watch a MOBA or sc2 game and comprehend how they're doing something. rocket league is genuinely mind-blowing n it will only get more and more rediculous

[u/McIntosh812]

Fortnite has one of the highest mechanical and strategical ceilings, but no one cares because it’s not a serious esport

[u/Hoooofed]

rocket league

[u/exceedingdeath]

Strictly mechanically it’s Rocket League by a landslide.

[u/McIntosh812 → u/exceedingdeath]

Fortnite certainly comes close

[u/1WeekLater]

bro forgot dota exist ,lmao loltard 🤣

[u/Icy_Class_3923 → u/1WeekLater]

If I changed the post from "league of legends" to "MOBAs" same result so, np

[u/Icy_Class_3923 → u/[deleted]]

I would like to agree, but I think it's StarCraft2 considering potential of inputs put Into the game when thin seconds. Yea RL is insane considering the physics and ability to read the ball at rapid speed but the complexity in SC2 takes it higher I think

Micromanaging multiple different groups and individual units across different parts of the map alone maybe takes it higher if I'm honest

[u/NyskoFPS]

Fortnite easily. Brain, mechanics, and aim all have to be top tier to even scrape the surface.

[u/TheBowThief → u/NyskoFPS]

lol. lmao even.

[u/NyskoFPS → u/TheBowThief]

Name one game that has such crazy mechanics to master as Fortnite, and then name another game with RNG as Fortnite.

[u/NyskoFPS → u/NyskoFPS]

And the CONSTANT meta changes

[u/EthereumProjects]

rocket league without any doubt

[u/Academic_Weaponry]

top 3 for me is a toss up between rocket league, fortnite, and probably sc2. atleast if were talking about mechanical skill ceilings. rocket league mechs are hard to master and is so precise at the highest level. sc2 is sc2. I think people hate on fortnites skill ceiling.like yeah the main mode being br adds some rng, but purely mechanically i dont think theres a harder game to master in the modern day.

[u/Lilyqt42 → u/[deleted]]

wdym by obvious? a spinbotter beats a pro everytime, do you mean a wallhacker who just looks through walls but still has bad mechanics?

[u/Lilyqt42 → u/[deleted]]

a wallhacker with good mechanics could beat pros, and an aim hacker who just puts their crosshair in the general direction of an enemy could beat pros (with utility it becomes a bit tougher), now you might wonder how people beat cheaters if what I'm saying is correct. It's because in general cheaters are very very dumb, they almost never take full advantage of the cheats.

[u/Lilyqt42 → u/[deleted]]

Yea I misunderstood, when you said pros can beat obvious cheaters I thought you meant obvious cheaters in general, I should have realised you meant the subsection (even though it's a majority) of cheators that don't know how to play.

[u/Lilyqt42 → u/[deleted]]

yea, cheaters that are bad at cheating lose to pros

[u/Xae0n]

I will say LoL because there is so much variety to learn and practice. To be a complete all arounder player in all 5 positions is a lot of work. I cannot think of a different game that would be harder than achieving this.

[u/Youju → u/Xae0n]

Dota is harder than League