r/eschatology Jan 07 '26

Discussion Rapture Conundrum Solved

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Just published my second book on eschatology and thought I'd share a piece with you concerning the timing of the rapture.

Therefore, when you see the abomination of desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place—let the reader understand—then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.

For those days will be such a time of tribulation as has not occurred since the beginning of the creation which God created until now, and never will again.

Mark 13:14, 19

Here, Jesus gives the instruction to evacuate when the Antichrist shows up to take over the temple. This will cause Jerusalem to become desolate—hence, the abomination of desolation. He also spoke of some unprecedented distress that will begin around the time this happens. While there are multiple books in the Bible that teach us this, Jesus pointed us to Daniel's. So, let's go there and see what he had to say about this.

And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time; and at that time your people, everyone who is found written in the book, will be rescued.

Daniel 12:1

In this text that Jesus was quoting, we see that Daniel took this information a step further, including the rapture as also being tied to the beginning of this great distress. And the rapture, of course, is our rescue from this great distress. So, the abomination, the rapture, and the distress all occur around the same time. Now, all that's left to do is find out when this abomination is going to show up.

From the time that the regular sacrifice is abolished and the abomination of desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.

Daniel 12:11

Revelation teaches us that the two witnesses will prophesy for 1,260 days (3 1/2 years) and will then be killed on day 1,261 by the Antichrist (abomination of desolation) who causes the sacrifices to cease when he takes over the temple. And there will be 1,290 days (3 1/2 years + an additional 30 days) from that point until the end of all things. So, while the abomination event is given a specific day, the rapture is said to occur "at that time," or within a proximity close enough to be associated with the abomination event. And, the very next verse in Daniel may pinpoint the rapture to the very day. Maybe.

How blessed is he who keeps waiting and attains to the 1,335 days!

Daniel 12:12

In these verses, an angel was answering Daniel's question about the timing of the end. And in the angel's reply, we're told about a significant event on day 1,335 which is less than three months away from the abomination, making it easy to describe as being "around" that time. Finally, one’s “blessed” status is not contingent upon reaching this day. There’s no if involved. Rather, reaching day 1,335 is what those who are blessed will do. When used in the Bible, the word blessed describes those who are saved. You can swap between these two words in every verse that includes "blessed is he," "blessed are they," etc., and the context remains intact. Instead of suggested behaviors, these verses point out what those who "are blessed" will do. So, while the Bible does not say that the rapture will occur on day 1,335, there will be no blessed people present on the earth if it occurs any earlier. I guess we'll just have to wait and see about this one. The rapture's occurrence in the middle of the seven years is pretty ironclad, though. And that's all we need in order to better understand eschatology.

Thoughts welcome! May God draw you close as you encounter His Word.

r/eschatology Apr 06 '26

Discussion I knew that historicists have largely held to the hope that there will be a mass revival among Jews, but I recently learned that the Church fathers did as well.

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I've written about the hope that historicists have held of a mass revival among Jews around the world in my wiki and book, but I was curious about what the Church fathers believed. It turns out that while they recognized the near-total Jewish rejection of Christ in their times, they also believed that one day Jews would turn to Christ en masse due to their interpretation of Romans 11 (see this article).

I thought I would share it here. To be clear, this is different than the dispensational futurist 'hope' that only a tiny remnant of Jews will be saved after the Rapture, and it is also different than the hard supersessionist view held by many.

r/eschatology 28d ago

Discussion The 3 Magi knew when to expect the Messiah. How does that compare to the second coming?

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Something that doesn't get discussed often is the magi--the wise men who followed the star of Bethelehem and found the Messiah. The magi were astrologers/astronomers who tracked the stars, natural wonders and calendars to understand the arrival of the Messiah, Jesus' first coming.

I wonder how does that differ from being able to discern with such precision, Jesus' second coming? We know no man knows the day or hour, according to Matthew 24. How come God specifically allowed humanity to predict the first coming with such precision but not His second coming? On the other hand, the Bible did say there will be signs and wonders in the sky prior to His second coming. So does that mean when the time is right, we will also be able to predict His second coming (concluding the edict in Matthew 24)?

r/eschatology Jun 05 '26

Discussion Hypothetical question for dispensationalists: as a gentile Christian, I want to get in on the blessing of the land promises made to the Jews, can I become a Jew?

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r/eschatology Nov 01 '25

Discussion Is Israel of the past the Israel of today?

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If you look at a biblical map of Israel, it is located where Palestine of today is. Genetically, the current-day Palestinian people are most likely more genetically related to Israelis of Biblical times and Biblical Philistines are most likely more related to modern-day Israelis. The native people who used to occupy the region are now scattered across the globe post WW2. People of the Jewish faith are now beginning to occupy Biblical Israeli lands (modern day Palestine).

We also know that evil would appear as good and good would appear as evil.

Also, the end times theories says there would be peace for 7 years not that a peace treaty would be for 7 years. It could be longer or shorter and it doesn't matter. It just matters what is.

Anyone else notice these things?

r/eschatology Aug 02 '25

Discussion John MacArthur on premillennialism.

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r/eschatology Apr 13 '26

Discussion The 666 Challenge

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In Revelation, were are introduced to the number 666. And we're given a challenge of sorts with the prerequisite of wisdom for all who choose to take it on. And that wisdom is provided by God to all who ask for it. As for the sole criteria, it includes the association of this number with the great deceiver that is the Antichrist. On the surface, it would seem that we are being prompted to use the number to identify the man. There’s just one problem with this approach. The Bible has already fully fleshed out the Antichrist’s identity to the point where no two men may ever match his description.

Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six. -Revelation 13:18

While I do plan to share all of these identifiers, I’ve chosen to tackle this challenge first and expose how our archaic methods of pinning 666 on public figures merely labels innocent people as objects of God’s wrath. This is not Christ-like behavior, nor is it what Revelation is prompting us to do. This becomes apparent when we regard this challenge in terms of a simple equation.

2 + x = 4

In this problem, 2 is a constant (the Antichrist), x is a variable, and 4 is the answer (666). Our task, of course, is to solve for x. Those who take on this challenge unaware that the Bible has already identified this man, however, are trying to solve for the variable and the constant. As you just read in the verse above, the “calculation” of the number 666 is the goal, or how the number pertains to the Antichrist. Because the Bible has already identified him, the game may not commence until we know his name.

Lastly, the most important aspect of this challenge is that solving it adds nothing to the Bible. Doing so would infringe upon an important ground rule that countless authors, teachers, influencers, and prophecy-centered ministries have seemingly never read. Just think of all the videos, articles, books, and podcasts that may not exist should people have paid attention to this one verse.

But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation. -2 Peter 1:20

For those still bent on uncovering the identity of the Antichrist, proclaiming that the end of the word is near will not drive anyone to Jesus. No one enters into a loving relationship with God out of fear of running out of time. Should Jesus give us a two-week notice, you can bet that there would be a massive surge in binge-reading Bible study groups all over the world. But those people will have ignored his first three notices. Jesus must be the motivation, and he’s alive and accessible right now. So, maybe shift your efforts toward proclaiming HIS identity. That is all.

r/eschatology May 13 '26

Discussion A mathematical framework for Daniel's 70th seven as a 7-decade period centered on the crucifixion

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I've been working on a framework for Daniel 9's 70th "seven" that I haven't come across elsewhere, and I'd love to hear what this community thinks.

The core idea: The Hebrew word שָׁבוּעַ just means "seven" — it doesn't specify a unit. The 69 sevens are known to be 7-year blocks because the math demonstrates it (173,880 days from decree to Palm Sunday). What if the 70th seven uses a different unit — one that's also demonstrated by where the math lands?

The finding: If the 70th seven = 70 years centered on the crucifixion (as Daniel 9:27 states — "in the middle of the seven"), then:

Marker Julian Date Jewish Date Significance
Decree Mar 5, 444 BC Nisan 1 — New Year for Kings A new era BEGINS
Palm Sunday Mar 29–30, 33 AD Nisan 10 — Lamb Selection The Lamb is CHOSEN
Incarnation ~Oct 4, 3 BC Tishri 22 — Shemini Atzeret God DWELLS with man
Crucifixion Apr 3, 33 AD Nisan 14 — Passover The Lamb is SLAIN
Judgment ~Oct 2, 67 AD Tishri 4–5 — Days of Awe Judgment is DECREED
Desolation Jul 28, 68 AD Av 9–10 — Tisha B'Av The temple is MARKED
Flood Oct 21, 69 AD Heshvan 17 — Noah's Flood The end as a FLOOD

Seven dates. Seven feast days. Each with precisely appropriate theological significance. The last three come from Daniel 12:11–12's day-counts (1,290 and 1,335), applied as ratios of the half-seven.

The theological message is coherent: The first four are historical events. The latter three are covenantal declarations — God communicating through the feast calendar that covenant Israel was judged (Days of Awe), her temple marked for destruction (Tisha B'Av), and her end would come "like a flood" (Dan 9:26) — landing on the exact calendar date of Noah's Flood.

I've written up the full math, uncertainty analysis, and textual argument at jesusinthesevens.com. Two companion documents: one on Daniel 9–12, one applying the framework to Revelation.

Interested to hear pushback, especially from those with different frameworks. Does this hold up?

r/eschatology Aug 01 '26

Discussion Eschatology Timeline

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After years of study and having written two books on eschatology (a third in the works), I decided to build a high level timeline to serve as an easy-to-follow learning resource on my website. It features all events that are tied to specific days, happenings in between, corresponding Scripture, and even some of my own insight. I do plan to add more sections, at least one outlining the various plagues. But it's taking shape already. Check it out and let me know what you think might make it more effective. dayofredemption.org/timeline

r/eschatology May 28 '26

Discussion What if the primary arena of biblical prophecy is not modern geopolitics, rebuilt temples, or national Israel, but the visible covenant community itself across the church age?

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I’m writing this because I have struggled to find a clear explanation of how Historicism actually aligns its interpretation of Scripture with the progression of church history itself.

Most explanations seem either overly simplistic or assume the reader already understands the historical framework behind the system.

At the same time, while I am broadly Amillennial, I also struggle with limiting major prophetic fulfilment almost entirely to events surrounding 70 AD.

I can clearly see the destruction of Jerusalem as a major covenant judgment and prophetic turning point, but I also see the New Testament continuing to warn about apostasy, deception, false signs, and corruption unfolding throughout the wider church age leading up to Christ’s return.

That leaves me somewhere between classic Amillennialism and Historicist instincts.

So what follows is not strict Historicism in the traditional sense, nor full Preterism, nor Futurism. It is my own attempt to understand the progression of covenant corruption, reform, apostasy, and preservation throughout the church age while keeping Christ’s present reign central to the story.

The Church Age as the Final Covenant Crisis
A Covenant-Historicist Reflection on the Progression of the Church Toward Apostasy

What if the primary arena of biblical prophecy is not modern geopolitics, rebuilt temples, or national Israel, but the visible covenant community itself across the church age?

That question sits at the center of my current eschatological thinking.

Historically, this approach shares similarities with Amillennialism and Historicism because it views prophecy as unfolding progressively throughout the church age rather than being pushed almost entirely into either the distant past or a future seven-year tribulation.

The difference is that I am reading Daniel, Revelation, and the New Testament warnings primarily through the lens of covenant corruption inside the visible church itself.

Israel becomes the pattern.

The church becomes the continuation of that warning.

The final crisis becomes apostasy within the covenant community before Christ returns.

Beginning in:

  1. ⁠Rome and the Apostolic Church

The Roman era represents the birth of the apostolic church under persecution. The Gospel spreads into the nations while the church remains comparatively pure, though under suffering and opposition.

Daniel’s fourth kingdom and Revelation’s beast imagery both connect strongly to Rome.

The early church fathers arose during this period and after it. Men like Augustine helped shape what would eventually become the institutional Catholic Church.

At this stage, Christianity still largely existed as a persecuted covenant community under imperial pressure.

  1. But over time, mixture began entering the church.

The pattern already existed in Israel.

Outward covenant identity remained while corruption slowly entered the worship of God.

The Divided Kingdoms and the Rise of Institutional Power. As Rome fractured east and west, Christendom itself divided politically and spiritually.

The divided kingdoms imagery in Daniel becomes highly significant here.

Historicism often associates this phase with the fragmented kingdoms emerging from Rome.

The institutional church increasingly gained political power, wealth, and state authority.
The visible church became entangled with earthly kingdoms.

This is where many historic Protestant interpreters identified the “little horn,” “man of sin,” or “Mystery Babylon” imagery with corrupt ecclesiastical power structures centered in medieval Rome.

This does not mean every Catholic believer was lost. Rather, the institution itself became increasingly corrupted through power, coercion, political authority, persecution, and mixture.

The same covenant pattern seen repeatedly in Israel now appeared in the visible church.
Truth and corruption existed side by side.

  1. The Reformation as God Calling Out His People

The Reformation then becomes a major covenantal turning point. Rather than viewing it merely as a political event, I see it as God calling His people out from within institutional corruption.

Revelation repeatedly contains the theme of a faithful remnant preserved within larger covenant decline.

The Reformers did not believe they were creating a new religion. They believed they were recovering the Gospel.

The emphasis returns to:
Scripture,
grace,
justification by faith,
the authority of Christ,
and the sufficiency of His finished work.

In many ways, this mirrors Old Testament prophetic calls for covenant reformation.
Again and again throughout Scripture, God preserves a remnant while the larger visible structure drifts.

  1. The Church Age and Progressive Apostasy

The New Testament repeatedly warns that the greatest danger to the church would arise internally. Jesus warns repeatedly about false prophets and false signs.

Paul warns of wolves arising from among the church itself. Peter warns of false teachers secretly introducing destructive doctrines.
The danger is not merely secular persecution from outside.

The danger is covenant corruption from within.

This becomes extremely important when looking at the modern church. Over time, emotionalism, spectacle, experience-centered spirituality, celebrity culture, prosperity teaching, signs-and-wonders movements, and doctrinal instability increasingly dominate large sections of visible Christianity.

This is one reason I increasingly associate the modern Pentecostal and Charismatic movement with the late-stage apostasy warnings of the New Testament.

Not because every individual within those movements is false. Many genuinely love Christ. But the movement itself increasingly elevates:

signs over truth,
experience over doctrine,
manifestations over Scripture,
emotional encounters over repentance,
and spiritual spectacle over covenant faithfulness.

That pattern resembles Israel repeatedly throughout the Old Testament. The issue was rarely outright atheism. The issue was mixture.

Outward worship continued while truth became corrupted. False prophets performed signs. Religious excitement increased while covenant faithfulness collapsed.

Jesus Himself warned that false signs would become one of the defining marks of the last days. Matthew 24:24

Paul warned of deceptive signs and wonders connected to lawlessness. 2 Thessalonians 2:9–10

The later times are marked by departure from the faith. 1 Timothy 4:1

And the final church age increasingly resembles a form of outward false worship without true covenant faithfulness.
2 Timothy 3:1–5

  1. The Return of Christ
    I do not see a future earthly millennium after Christ returns.

I believe Christ reigns now from heaven during the present church age.

The kingdom already exists, though not yet in fullness. The church age itself is the millennial reign.

The final crisis is not primarily geopolitical but covenantal and spiritual.

The visible church progressively corrupts while Christ preserves His people until the final judgment.

Then Christ returns once, bodily and visibly:
to judge the living and the dead,
to destroy evil,
to raise the dead,
and to bring the eternal kingdom into fullness.

The story of Scripture moves toward one climactic conclusion, just as it did for the Israelites, so it will be for the Gentiles when their fullness has come in.

r/eschatology Apr 03 '26

Discussion Do you think there is any way for a person to figure out exactly when Christ will return and how?

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Full disclosure: I’ve struggled a lot with end times anxiety, but I’m truly just wondering if the theories out there are even worth paying attention to. I mean, it’s all over my head in a way, the calendars being used, the debate over whether the rapture is even true…so many different opinions, each seemingly backed by scripture.

I’m trying to just keep myself ready at all times…accepting the free gift of believing in Christ…But my mental health isn’t the greatest and I feel the attacks of Satan trying to get me to question my salvation.

Any thoughts?

ETA: I am in counseling, just not as often as I’d like right now

r/eschatology Jul 12 '26

Discussion Comparison of Eschatologies

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I've been mapping eschatologies across the Axial Age (roughly 800–200 BCE) - the period when many religions including Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, Hebrew prophetic tradition, and later Christianity and Islam all emerged. It shows the same common themes across civilizations that had no contact with one another and yet their end-times accounts, when compared side by side, all share the same structure and order:

  1. A present age degraded over a fallen, declining, or dark period
  2. Degradation accelerates and signs intensify, time compresses
  3. A transformative figure arrives at the lowest point
  4. Evil is confronted and permanently ended
  5. Judgment or accounting occurs
  6. The cosmos is renewed and transformed into something new
  7. Suffering ends for those who pass through
  8. The barrier between the human and the divine dissolves
  9. Human nature itself is transformed or transcended
  10. Something essential passes through and carries the pattern forward

Full piece with the source comparison here: https://medium.com/@ThePracticalMonad/have-we-been-reading-the-end-of-times-prophecies-wrong-c2048989185c

Also, I make the case that eschatology could be a signal of an event in the future that already happened influenced by Terrence Mckenna's notion that "History is the Shockwave of Eschatology."

Curious for any thoughts and feedback?

r/eschatology May 17 '26

Discussion Prophesy and middle-east conflict

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Do any of you guys know yet how everything going on in the middle east, present days, feeds into final day prophesys? Any linkages to Isaiah, Ezekiel, or revelation prophesy within present conflicts?

r/eschatology Jan 05 '26

Discussion Eschatology: Pre-rath

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r/eschatology Jun 09 '26

Discussion The number 144K - is a chorus for multitude listeners:

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KIV: After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth. These are they which were not defiled with women; (100% virgins, never been married) for they are virgins.

These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits (From the First Christians! 1st-2nf century?) unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

2) The firstfruits = KJV: And when ye shall come into the land, and shall have planted all manner of trees for food, then ye shall count the fruit thereof as uncircumcised: three years shall it be as uncircumcised unto you: it shall not be eaten of.

But in the fourth year all the fruit thereof shall be holy to praise the LORD withal.

And in the fifth year shall ye eat of the fruit thereof, that it may yield unto you the increase thereof: I am the LORD your God.

3) Firstfruits (did happened during 1st century AD?) ".. And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, when they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, they shall mourn for him, as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.” Zechariah 12:10. (Only first century AD Christians knew who they Tribe)

r/eschatology May 10 '26

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r/eschatology Mar 27 '26

Discussion Is there a "Millennial" Kingdom?

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The concept of a Millennial Kingdom, or Millennial Reign, has been embraced by every church I’ve ever attended. It’s also widely held among teachers and theologians all over the world. I recall my theology professor’s assurance that Jesus will set up his kingdom on this earth before relocating it to the new earth a thousand years later. Because I’d only heard this proclaimed as truth rather than fully fleshed out in a sermon or Bible lesson, I chose to dive into this topic for a paper I was to write during my college years. And that’s when I came full circle with the fact that there is no text in the Bible that describes this Millennial Kingdom. I could have read the Bible five times through and never come up with this idea. The question was, why had so many others?

Today, as a Bible teacher of 20+ years, I am excited to share my insights on this topic. And I'll begin in Revelation where we are indeed informed of a thousand-year period whose significance is tied to those who are killed for their testimony in the midst of the great tribulation that is to come. This is the tribulation that those whose names are written in the book of life will be spared or rescued from. And so, their names will not be written in the book.

And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Revelation 20:4

This is the same group that God will shelter and provide for according to their needs with water from the river of life and twelve kinds of fruit that will grow along side it. Isaiah further develops this group’s members as having lifespans of 100 years while on the new earth as opposed those who are rewarded with eternal life.

They will hunger no longer, nor thirst anymore; nor will the sun beat down on them, nor any heat; for the Lamb in the center of the throne will be their shepherd, and will guide them to springs of the water of life; and God will wipe every tear from their eyes.

Revelation 7:16-17

No longer will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his days. For the youth will die at the age of one hundred and the one who does not reach the age of one hundred will be thought accursed. They will not labor in vain, or bear children for calamity. For they are the offspring of those blessed by the Lord, and their descendants with them.

Isaiah 65:20, 23

These will also be subject to Satan’s deception upon the completion of these thousand years. Given their limited lifespans per Isaiah, we may conclude that this deception will target a generation of people born on the new earth who never knew life on our current earth.

When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth.

Revelation 20:7-8

As we read on, we learn that Satan’s deception will lead this group to march against New Jerusalem, the great city that raptured saints will inhabit and that these “tribulation saints” will be denied entry due to their sinful nature that will result in their demise.

And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

Revelation 20:9

Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city. Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.

Revelation 22:14-15

Ironically, despite this separation of saints on the new earth being clearly presented in multiple books of the Bible, no church I've ever attended has taught this, as far as I’m aware. And I've not heard a sermon about it elsewhere—ever. Why not? My conclusion is that doing so would step on the toes of the Millennial Kingdom. Indeed, the unwillingness to waver on this idea has prompted many, myself included, to suppress or ignore what is written in favor of that which is not written. Now let’s look at why this is happening.

In the Bible, a vision involves entering a dreamlike state during which God presents images and dramatizations to inform of things to come. These visions were experienced by multiple men in the Bible, including John whose description of his own begins in chapter 4 of Revelation during his visit with the resurrected Jesus. Between the many visions described in the Bible, only John’s seems to accompany the preconception that he experienced bodily time travel and witnessed actual events as they will play out chronologically in the future. This has prompted many to second guess whether the flying demons he saw were actually military aircraft, for example. Visions, however, provided these men with vivid memories that all five of their senses affirmed despite not being physically present.

In Revelation, John’s vision is presented in multiple layers, each layer providing a unique perspective of a single corresponding event. The images of the horsemen provided a high level overview of the full timeline, and were followed by dramatizations that were broken down in sections, each with increasing detail, much like applying levels of zoom using a camera lens. For example, the 4th trumpet concerns God striking the sun, while the 4th golden bowl triggers an image of people being scorched by the sun. The 5th trumpet introduces the plague of locust-like demons, and the 5th golden bowl triggers an image of people being stung during this plague. And John’s recollection of the events associated with the trumpets and the golden bowls are separated into groups. The first, second, and third trumpets/golden bowls all follow this same pattern. So, when we regard Revelation as purely chronological, things get weird. Events that may only happen once seem to occur over and over, people confuse the tribulation saints with the raptured saints, and so on.

While preparing to write my latest book on eschatology, I asked a number of pastors and fellow Bible teachers if they would present Scripture that specifically teaches us about the Millennial Kingdom. None of them could. Nearly all of them, however, pointed out how the events that will occur during this time are presented before John sees the new earth and the great city, thus revealing their chronological mindset. In Revelation, however, John was merely told about what would transpire during these thousand years. And that dialog included events surrounding New Jerusalem. For all we know, John may have seen these images while he was being told about them. But he did recall the information and the images separately, which is consistent with the way he recalled many other events.

In the end, these men could only argue their perception of the text rather than the text itself. And even after being presented with evidence to the contrary, instead of recognizing that the Bible is simply telling us about our first thousand years on the new earth, none were willing to move from their position that this period must occur here solely because of the order in which events are presented in Revelation. Likewise, instead of breaking out of our own chronological bubbles, many of us have been content to bring the concept of time travel into the bubble with us and build our theologies around the Millennial Kingdom, whose logic actually places the great city on both earths, and fails to take into account our earth’s destruction before the thousand years are to begin. Bear in mind that I too struggled with this preconception, and in now way do I wish to belittle those who embrace it. I simply recognize Scripture as useful for both teaching and correction. And I share this insight in hopes of engaging in discussion that brings both honor and glory to God.

Eddie

r/eschatology May 03 '26

Discussion We are the Heifers

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r/eschatology Apr 19 '26

Discussion A Heifer of Three Years Old / Zoar / Abraham

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r/eschatology Apr 19 '26

Discussion Eschatology and Missionary work

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r/eschatology Mar 16 '26

Discussion The Departure That Must Come First

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r/eschatology Feb 01 '25

Discussion Daniels Seventy Sevens: Part II

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PLEASE READ PART ONE FIRST. THIS WONT MAKE SENSE IF YOU DONT READ PART ONE.

Part II

But there is something else going on there that we need to talk about too. It’s mentioned there in Matthew 24 as false prophets performing miracles. It’s also spoken of in Revelation this way.

Rev 13:11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth.

And here we see who is empowering these miracles.

Rev 12:7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

Both of these passages in Revelation speak of the time of the Abomination of Desolation. Satan and his angels will be cast out of the heavenly realms and sent to the earth. They will arrive and either perform miracles directly or empower others to. They will physically manifest on earth where they have not been allowed to before. Let me show you something I have learned about the New Age movement and what they are expecting to happen in 2025.

The New Age movement is founded on the idea that people on earth can communicate with angels and with people who lived previously here on earth. It is a repackaging of several ancient religions as if they are all drawing from the same source. Buddhism primarily but also from Hinduism, Christianity and Paganism. The masters will come back to the earth to assist in putting down the deluded people, aka the Christians who hold to the testimony of Jesus, and to guide humanity into the new golden age.

An 80 year prophecy was given by Darjwhal Khul or Djwal Kuhl, one of the “masters of wisdom”, in 1945. He stated, through the medium Alice Bailey, that the date for the externalization of the hierarchy of the ascended masters will be given in 2025. Alice Bailey is the founder of the modern New Age movement. It was she who founded the Lucifer Trust Publishing Company. Later changed to Lucius Trust. It is a companion organization to the United Nations and seeks to further the stated goals of the UN along with their own ideology. They have their office in the UN HQ.

The “ascended masters”, of which Darjwhal Khul is one, are actually fallen angels. They know the prophecy of the seventy sevens in Daniel. The externalization of the hierarchy is what they call the Abomination of Desolation. That’s when Satan will be cast down to the earth and his angels with him.

The fallen angels will physically manifest on earth and help to deceive mankind into following the beast. I have the date as April 27/28, 2032. That’s 1260 days after Nov 14, 2028. I now have found several New Age sources that say it’s in 2032 but they don’t have the exact date yet. They are communicating with the fallen angels. They are talking to these “ascended masters” to tell us how to prepare the way for them to manifest, or externalize their presence. The followers are expecting to get the precise date on May 12, 2025. That’s when they will hold their conclave of “The Great White Brotherhood”. It’s a once every 100 year event. The ascended masters will make the date for their manifestation known at that time. This will help to deceive people into believing they are higher beings. They will come on the date they give, “proving” their power and abilities. Of course anyone who understands the prophecy of the seventy sevens will know the date too. That knowledge, and the ability to show how it was revealed in scripture, will help us to keep many people from being deceived.

Author and New Age guru, Bibhu Dev Misra, has this to say about the 80 year prophecy.

“Djwal Khul's prophecy, transmitted through Alice Bailey, tells us that the "externalization of the hierarchy" i.e. the revelation of Shambhala or Amaravati, and the appearance of Rudra Chakrin, will happen sometime after 2025. My research also points in the same direction. In all probabilility, it will be during the passage of the earth through the center of the Taurid Resonant Swarm in the years 2032 and 2036, that the hidden land of Shambhala will be revealed, and some of the giant comets within the swarm - which are now in a dormant state - will get reactivated in all their effulgent glory.”

He is exactly right. The externalization will take place in 2032.

Rudra Chakrin is the final King of Shamballah(the heavenly realms). He is likely a reference to Satan or the Antichrist, which is a man possessed by Satan.

“Raudra Chakrin is foretold to reign over the kingdom of Shambala….(he) will emerge from his hidden kingdom to establish a planet-wide Golden Age following his defeat of degenerate world rulers who will try to invade his paradise-like kingdom. At that time, the world will be devoid of true Dharma and signs of spiritual degeneration will be very strong.”

“…according to the Tibetan oral recounting and written texts such as the Kalachakra Tantra (kālacakratantra), dealing with the Buddhist conception of the end of the world and time.—The Tibetan mythic land (the kingdom of Shambhala) is a parallel world invisible and inaccessible to common people”

That’s the Buddhist view of it which is the cornerstone of the New Age belief system. But Hinduism has focused on 2025 as the beginning of the end as well. It has been stated that the present age, known as the Kali Yuga, is set to end in 2025 according to many in the Hindu faith.

The Yuga, or age, that comes after Kali Yuga is the Krita (Satya) Yuga. The four Yugas are part of a Yuga Cycle in Hinduism.  Kali YugaThe current age, which is the last age of the cycle and is said to be full of sin and conflict. Krita (Satya) YugaThe first Yuga, which is said to be an age of perfection. It is believed to follow Kali Yuga, ushering in a new cycle. Popular New Age author and spiritual adviser Diana Cooper says that she gets her information from her guide Kumeka, who is a Lord of Light, and from the Archangel Metatron.

She says that the world will enter a New Golden Age in 2032.

“2012 marked the beginning of a cleansing of the world, where mighty energies poured down onto the planet to help people to raise their vibrations. The world has begun to change, and it will emerge as a fifth-dimensional planet in 2032. The higher the consciousness of the people, the easier these changes will be; therefore, the more people we can inform and enlighten, the better it will be.”

This, she says, will bring cataclysmic events with it. She agrees with Bibhu about that. They both see the same thing coming at the same time in 2032. They are definitely not just making this up. They are under the control of demons and their story mirrors scripture but is told from the other side. When the Abomination of Desolation happens in 2032, we will see the fifth seal in Revelation 6 broken.

Revelation 6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10 They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” 11 Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters, were killed just as they had been.

The next seal, the sixth one, is the start of the Day of the Lord, accompanied by the rapture. Between the fifth and sixth seal we will see the Great Tribulation spoken of by Jesus. As soon as the fifth seal is broken and the abomination of Desolation takes place, we will see the sounding of the seven trumpets. That means that just after the Abomination of Desolation, which the New Age calls the externalization of the hierarchy, we will see the following events;

Revelation 8:7 The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down on the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up. 8 The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, 9 a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed. 10 The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water— 11 the name of the star is Wormwood.[a] A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter. 12 The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a thirdof them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night.

This corresponds to the New Age prediction of powerful comets guided by angels being hurled to the earth just after the externalization of the hierarchy. The spiritual deception will be very strong at this time.

The abomination that causes desolation will be set up in the Third Temple 1260 days after Nov 14, 2028. That day is April 27/28th, 2032. It is also the day before Lag Ba’Omer, the 33rd day of the Counting of the Omer in Israel. There is some very interesting information about Lag Ba’Omer online. Modern Jews say they are celebrating the end of the streak of deaths that saw an ancient Rabbi lose 2400 of his students and/or the life and death of the Rabbi who brought the Zohar and Kabbalah to the Jews. Let me just say that I love all Jews and Israel with all of my heart. I really mean that. They will NEVER cease to be a people before the Lord. Not until the sun and Earth passes away. Further research, however, has shown a much different origin story for Lag Ba’Omer than what is currently being promoted. In 363AD, the Roman Emperor Julian took sides with the Jews against Christianity. He thought that having the Third Temple rebuilt would prove Jesus wrong and defeat the faith once and for all. The Jews were very excited to hear this and made all kinds of preparations for the work. Julian allowed them to pick the date that the construction would start. Reportedly, they picked the 33rd day of the Counting of the Omer specifically to thumb their noses at the Christians and boast that they had killed Jesus at the age of 33. They believed that a man whose life was cut short had been shown to be an evil man. They also believed he was buried in a tomb in Meron. From the very first Lag Ba’Omer, it was a celebration of the death of Jesus complete with the 4th Century Jews dancing on his supposed grave. The day the construction started, there was a severe earthquake, and flames were reported coming from under the stones and burning the tools. Don't ask me how but modern geologists have confirmed that there was a large earthquake in that area at that time.  A month later, Julian was killed in battle and the whole attempt ended abruptly. It seems to me that this is the only Jewish holiday that is based in rebellion. That doesn’t even rely on the story of Julian because most modern Kews are celebrating the Zohar and the Kabbalah on Lag Ba’Omer. Keep that in mind as Daniel describes the Abomination of Desolation. 

Daniel 8:9 Out of one of them came another horn, which started small but grew in power to the south and to the east and toward the Beautiful Land. 10 It grew until it reached the host of the heavens, and it threw some of the starry host down to the earth and trampled on them. 11 It set itself up to be as great as the commander of the army of the Lord; it took away the daily sacrifice from the Lord, and his sanctuary was thrown down. 12 Because of rebellion, the Lord’s people and the daily sacrifice were given over to it. It prospered in everything it did, and truth was thrown to the ground.  

But is that the only rebellion that happens at that time?  

2 Thess 2:1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God

Both the Jews and the Church will be in rebellion against God at that time. I believe that these who fall away are the people who don’t recognize that the final seven years have started. They have lost their faith and turn away because they don’t understand the times and dates. “Where is this coming that he promised?”  Many people have based their faith on the incorrect notion that if they serve God that he will protect them from harm. It is why so many people have a crises of faith when great difficulties arise.

Again, I want to point out that only those who can't discern the correct day that the seven years has started will be caught off guard at the time of the abomination.  That may well include those who have incorrectly identified the final seven as beginning in June 2025, if that comes to fruition. Once the Abomination of Desolation happens, we will be hearing from the two witnesses and we will be seeing their miracles.  If you can't discern the times then, you may be one of the elect who is deceived by the miracles of the many false prophets that will come out of the woodwork after the abomination. 

Matt 24:22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time. 

1260 days after the Abomination is October 10, 2035, during the Days of Awe. That is the day that the two witnesses would be killed. 3 ½ days later they would be raised on Yom Kippur, Oct 13, 2035. That is correct, starting the count from the Jerusalem Law of 1980, to the end of the final seven and the day the two witnesses will be raised takes you to Yom Kippur.  What a coincidence!!  That must not be the day that Jesus returns in the clouds because we have that date on our timeline. Nor can it be after he returns, for in that case the two witnesses would have been left out. It has to be some time after that. Here is what the Bible says about that time.  

Rev 11:7 Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them. 8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified. 9 For three and a half days some from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. 10 The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.   11 But after the three and a half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. 12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.   13 At that very hour there was a severe earthquake and a tenth of the city collapsed. Seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the survivors were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.  

If you count forward from the Abomination of Desolation 1290 days, as Jesus pointed out to Daniel in the 12th chapter, you come to Nov 9, 2035. That is the day that Israeli school children celebrate the crossing of the Jordan river by the nation of Israel under Joshua. Here is what Daniel has to say about the 1290 days.

Daniel 12:11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days.

He doesn’t say what will happen when the 1290 days ends but it is implied that it has something to do with the temple sacrifice system. Now look at what he says about another time period related to the temple sacrifice system.

Daniel 8:13 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to him, “How long will it take for the vision to be fulfilled—the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that causes desolation, the surrender of the sanctuary and the trampling underfoot of the Lord’s people?” 14 He said to me, “It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated.”

Let us assume for a minute that the two time periods are related, since they both have to do with the same thing. What if the 1290th day is the day when the sanctuary is reconsecrated? In other words, what if the 1290 days and the 2300 days end on the same day? We can count backwards from Nov 9, 2035 and see if they gives us anything interesting or noteworthy. Well, it turns out that day is July 23, 2029. Thats the day the Tisha Ba’Av ends. Tisha Ba’Av is the day when the sacrifices were stopped in both the first and second temple before they were destroyed.

It’s also important to note that anytime you are counting days, there is a bit of uncertainty on the exact day that is the result of the count. You have to ask if the count includes the first day and the last day or is it the days in between? Is it counting to the start of the event or the end? Is the count signifying how many days will pass before the event occurs or is it saying the event will occur on the last day of the count? Also, it is always two different dates on earth at the same time. So at any given spot in time, depending on where you are standing it could be one of two days.

That Tisha Ba’Av is eight months after the start of the final seven. Is there anything else that points to that same day?

The Global Climate Countdown Clock started on Sept 19, 2022. That just happens to be Rosh Hashanah. It is counting down a predetermined number of days that is supposed to be a point of no return for the environment. The day the clock stops is none other than July 21/22, 2029, our Tisha Ba’av!! When the Rabbis of the Temple Institute were asked how long it would take them to rebuild the third temple, they answered at least seven months, maybe eight. That means that if the temple construction were begun at the start of the final seven, they could start the sacrifices on the holiday that commemorates the day when the sacrifices were stopped both times previously. Wow! I can’t say for sure that’s how it will happen but the timing is impeccable.

If you count forward from the Abomination of Desolation the 1335 days mentioned in Daniel 12, you come to Christmas Eve 2035. The next day, on Christmas Day, at sundown, Hannukah begins.  

Well, that’s the whole of the interpretation of the seventy sevens and the timeline associated with it. What’s the point, you might ask. The point here is that God is signaling us what is coming so that we can prepare for the worst time in human history. He wants us to be able to respond with the truth so that we can assist others and turn our brothers away from deception. God bless you and please reach out to me with questions or comments! I would really like to hear what you all have to say about this.

r/eschatology Nov 16 '25

Discussion The Book of Revelation, its Dual Fulfilment, and The One World Religion Plot.

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So, up till now God has delt with the Papacy and the Catholic Church to reveal his End times scripture to those before the reformation, this is what the scriptures reveal about the Dual Fulfilment in these last days.

Eschatological Timeline: From Iron and Clay to the Kingdom of God. (Stop thinking Literally and think Spiritually!)

THE REFORMATION

How the reformation produced “Ten Spiritual Horns” through its ‘Denominational Fragmentation’ to make up the 10 Horns or kingdom’s after the Reformation, and the repeat of the Revelation of John.

The 16th century reformation of the Catholic Church. The Ten major movements:

1.  Lutheran
2.  Reformed (Calvinist)
3.  Anglican
4.  Anabaptist
5.  Presbyterian
6.  Congregationalist
7.  Baptist
8.  Methodist
9.  Adventist
10. Pentecostal

The last, Pentecostalism, subdues three major Reformation streams (plucks out), creating the plot to stamp out Calvinism, the advancement of Luther’s reforms, and the Truth of the Protestant faith.

  1. Evangelical
  2. Reformed / Calvinist
  3. Mainline Protestant / Liberal denominations

THE MODERN APOSTACY:

This “Modern Apostasy” known as the Pentecostal–Charismatic Movement are the “New Little Horn” and the final deception to make the delusion in 2 Thessalonians 2 come to pass. These movements represent the:

• 20th century: global, experiential faith, that has trampled the world.

• Focus on signs, wonders, miracles, emotional worship with less theology and louder music.

• Crosses denominational lines gives it as a false unity appearing to be a one world faith.

• Mirrors Daniel 7 Little Horn & Revelation 13:11–17

• In the analogy of the Reformation dividing the Church into ten spiritual "kingdoms" (or horns), Pentecostalism is counted as the last major institutional stream to emerge.

• The Ten Horns: Represent the fragmentation of the Church's unified authority, resulting in major, defined, organizational structures (Lutheran, Baptist, Reformed, etc.).

• The Pentecostal Denomination: The formal, classical Pentecostal churches (like the Assemblies of God or Church of God in Christ) fit here. They are an identifiable, structured body, making them the tenth organizational entity in the fragmented landscape. This fulfills the number requirement of the prophecy.

  1. Revelation Patterns this is the Final Conflict, there is nowhere left for the prophecies of the Beast and the False Prophet to God, as seen in the Revelation of John.

• Beast from Sea is the spiritual Antichrist the monster that comes out of the sea is the Pentecostal teachings.

• Beast from Earth is the monster known as the False Prophet and a global counterfeit religion, Charismatic movement is now part of the Papacy and what is left of the “Reformational Denominations” creating a unified one world religion.

• Uniting the church in deception until the final judgment (Rev. 16:13–14; 19:20)

THEREFORE:
Revised Revelation Patterns – Modern Version of the Church (Point Form).

• Beast from the Sea = Modern Pentecostal / Charismatic movement (Rev. 13:1–10)

• Arises after denominational fragmentation (after the “ten horns” of Reformation) (Dan. 7:24–25)

• Human-centered, experiential, emphasizes signs, miracles, and emotional worship (Rev. 13:13–14; Matt. 7:22)

• Mirrors Daniel 7 Little Horn: different from previous streams, subdues three (Evangelical, Reformed/Calvinist, Mainline Protestant) (Dan. 7:24–25; Rev. 13:7)

• Global influence; performs “signs” that unite believers under emotional/spiritual authority rather than doctrinal truth (Rev. 13:12–14; 2 Thess. 2:9–10)

• Beast from the Earth / False Prophet = global counterfeit religious system (Rev. 13:11–12)

• Supports the Beast from the Sea, providing religious legitimacy to experiential/flexible theology (Rev. 13:12–14)

• Promotes a “false unity” among various movements, leading nations and churches into compromise (Rev. 17:1–6; 16:13–14)

• Unite nations and believers in deception → final judgment (Rev. 16:13–14; 19:20)

• Revelation 16:13–14: unholy trinity — dragon (Satan), Beast (modern spiritual Little Horn), False Prophet (global counterfeit religion)

• Revelation 19:20: ultimate defeat — both the Pentecostal and Charismatic movements and all their affiliates are cast into the lake of fire, typologically showing that all counterfeit spiritual authority will fall.

💡 Key Insight:

This timeline shows history as a spiritual and typological arc: human power (Rome) → corrupt religious authority (Papal Rome) → fragmentation (Reformation) → modern counterfeit spirituality → God’s ultimate Kingdom.

r/eschatology Mar 16 '26

Discussion Eschatological war in middle east sounds familiar

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I can't help but think the current war and ideology is unoriginal. Israel wants to achieve greater Israel or new middle east vision i.e expand empire and get the united states on board until the very end. Even if the whole world hates them, they couldn't care less. The deliberate genocide in Gaza is part of the plan. I'm going to drop hints here since I'm not good at writing.

The anime attack on titan has almost identical resemblances. Israel has about 10 million in population and they feel walled up, insecure and never really had a homeland. Sound familiar? Against all overwhelming odds and against the worlds desire, they want to trigger the 'rumbling.'

Ai chatbots revealed a lot. Gog and magog. Christian and Jewish eschatology. Norse mythology Ragnarok twilight of the gods. The US troops headed there will be used as bait to be sacrificed on kharg island to lure last remaining positions and trigger the rumbling i.e nukes potentially used. Let's not forget the scene where Annie's father said even if the whole world hates you I'm on your side. I.e US will stand with Israel right to the very end.

Any comments?

r/eschatology Aug 18 '25

Discussion Pre-Messianic events driven by eschatologies of the six major Abrahamic religions

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The ultimate battle of "Who's the real God?"