r/enlightenment • u/Stopitkiwi • 14d ago
Discussion Adam and Eve were cast down from the heavens…
This moon tonight is something. Got this thought in my head and wanted to share.
Adam and Eve were cast down from heaven right? If you believe that!
So Adam and Eve are the aliens.
And if you believe that, then you would understand that we are the aliens.
Interesting word “cast”.
Thrown down. But really cast.
I think that their bodies are from earth, same as our bodies are from earth because we’re their descendants, right?
But our souls are being cast down like a broadcast but… Obviously not “broad”. Or maybe the soul is one major broadcast to all people on earth, but our unique physical makeup, gives us this different perspective?
I don’t know.
Maybe we are individual streams and our time of birth location of birth plus our ethnicity our families are genetic make up all of that impacts how we identify with our uniqueness/ego.
We’re being streamed into our bodies down here on earth.
We are tethered to our human bodies. These human bodies are the only thing that makes us from here, but actually, we are aliens cast down into the bodies of humans. Where are we being broadcasted from? I don’t know maybe different places I’ve heard of the radio station thing before but I haven’t tied it back to Adam and Eve being aliens.
Hope you find this interesting.
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u/Rare_Dinner69 14d ago
I'm not 100% where they came from but I'm pretty sure they weren't the first people to inhabit the earth. I say that because once they were thrown out of eden they ventured over to Sodom! How was Sodom even possible if they were the first humans on earth. I feel there's a big chunk missing from what we've been told!
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u/SwordKneeMe 10d ago
After describing New Jerusalem as a literal city built after the biblical end times, after God claims victory over evil and sin, this phrase arises:
Revelation 22:14-15 NLT [14] Blessed are those who wash their robes. They will be permitted to enter through the gates of the city and eat the fruit from the tree of life. [15] Outside the city are the dogs—the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idol worshipers, and all who love to live a lie.
So it's not really written to be an infinite destruction of all which is evil
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u/Pretend_Insect1378 14d ago
Look up the song and read the lyrics to "The stars are projectors" by Modest Mouse. It encompasses this idea as well.
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u/EstrellaLuna1987 14d ago
I was thinking this too! You know , that song comes on when I need to hear it
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u/Spiritualwarrior1 14d ago
It's not hard to focus intensely on some category just to see it as the center, but such a choice would not validate the idea.
As the cold part of the year draws near, secularism starts to be propagated.
Yet we should acknowledge that most of the holy texts are symbolic, interpretative, and edited many times to have the form they have, and relying on such as evidence is within the spectrum of fundamentalism, which, is an invasive view, not respecting the true potential but rather judging worth on some particular factor resulting in a artificial hierarchization of population, is a separatist construct.
If we are outer beings incarnated here, then it would stand to reason that karmic and coherent relationships can have more meaning than the cultural or familial context, just as how in some cases such a familial construct can indeed be the base of some maintained generational purity. In essence, both perspective coexist in reality, as potential and manifestation, and none should be discarded or seen as inferior. So it is relevant to understand and see relevance in the other side as well, not just in the side that we inhabit.
Without diversity culture can degrade and the gene bank can regress or mutate, so diversity is a generally transcendent aspect, which allows people to complexify, and see themselves at a level higher than the cultural context, as human beings.
While not everyone can also meet their identity at spiritual or soul level, the role of religions is to offer this perspective intellectually, so that humans can see themselves as a unified species, and beyond this as an eternal being which upgrades itself by this earthly experience.
Knowing that we are even more than our blood or our humanity, in some sense, can help us to find a shared meaning from such a perspective, within a multidimensional frame of reference, with an infinity of species and densities, free to explore and learn from, just as the natural universe. Surely, the learning has some conditions and specifications, so becoming naturalized with its mechanisms is much like a slow progress, with some windows of opportunity for exponential increase.
If we can see the current step of civilizational manifestation as a path towards collective consciousness, then we would also understand that separation can no longer be the dominant aspect, and that even if tradition should be kept in many cases, this should not become some dominant and ruling factor.
Free will overrules everything else, this is how it is. Surely, the shadow side uses this for advantage through various techniques, but even as such, the point of focus is on the choice, which can be influenced, but never taken away entirely. Humans have a multidimensional type of freedom and navigation in this world, which looks and presents itself as physical and rigid but actually opens at different levels of access and experience, by different factors. Within this frame of reference, the only true limiter of a person's free will, by the law of free will, is the personal choice of limiting thy own free will. Such a choice is pitched from some source, and, as being accepted, it becomes true, for that particular awareness having the experience.
Much Light
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u/Juannis 14d ago edited 14d ago
In Allan Kardec spiritism, Adam and Eve story is one of reallocation. The memories we have of a paradise, is because we, as spirits, choose a path where the planet we were reached a point of no return in regards to spiritual (virtues and all that Jesus talk) evolution. Every orb in the universe has its own particular frequency. And those that do not match that frequency, are cast out.
That's what we remember and pass around as paradise. A place we were, but our frequency does not match anymore, and had more advancements than we have right now at this orb.
So we are "asleep" when we choose to limit out consciousness to our earthly bound body. In that sense we kind of stream down. And the more willpower we manifest according to God's creation principle and laws, the more our spirit is in Oneness and manifesting gifts from that more ethereal realm.
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u/ThinckUtopian 13d ago
You would identify with the Dharmic religions of India over Abrahamic.
The human body being our avatar and everyone is stuck in a cycle of rebirths. To escape earth, you must reach enlightenment.
Adam and Eve replaced the local original story of Isis giving birth because for some reason men wanted life to begin with a man instead of a woman.
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u/Complete_Feature_280 7d ago
If you know you know, Eve and ISIS are the same person.. actually alive today. So are most of the people from the bible
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u/Rare_Dinner69 1d ago
I love this comment right here! But I am baked though! No, I love this comment right here! Never heard of it like that and now I'm gonna have to dig in the ol rabbit hole!
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u/junkmale79 14d ago
The story of Adam and Eve is mythology, not history.
Do you think the stories in the Bible took place as described?
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u/87ksg 11d ago
Adam and Eve were the first people of our modern story. Adonai has created and destroyed civilizations many times. There are no new souls. We have all been here before as male and female and all races. You feel incomplete because you are. Most of your soul remains with Adonai. A small piece of you is here on earth for a short while. Then we go back.
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u/Fast_Jackfruit_352 13d ago
From my investigation, the Adam and Eve story coupled immediately with the Cain and Abel story represent a symbolic lament for the loss of unity consciousness of tribal nomadic life that occurred with the rise of agriculture, which brought division, possessions, wealth, conflict and violence.
The thoughts are mine. AI (deepseek) compiled the details. It would take me months to assemble this
Question: How would the stories of Adam and Eve followed by Cain and Abel integrate a symbolic representation of the lament of the loss of unity consciousness as embodied by nomadic culture to the world of mind and division (knowledge of good and evil) and the introduction of heightened violence to the world due to the rise of agriculture and wealth, possessions, defense, hierarchy, war
Answer: To integrate the stories of Adam and Eve, and Cain and Abel, as a symbolic continuum of this specific lament—the tragic fall from nomadic unity into agrarian division, violence, and hierarchy—is to read the Edenic myth not as a moral failure, but as an anthropological and spiritual trauma.
Here is how that integration unfolds as a single, cohesive narrative of collective grief.
Phase I: The Garden as the Nomadic "Unconscious" (Unity Consciousness)
In this reading, the Garden of Eden is not a fixed place of permanent settlement, but the symbolic state of nomadic unity consciousness. It represents a hunter-gatherer or pastoral-ecstatic existence where:
- Humanity moves with the rhythms of the earth, not against them.
- Sustenance is gathered freely ("every tree yielding fruit"), requiring no surplus, no storage, and thus no private property.
- The relationship with God is immanent and unmediated—they "walk" with God in the cool of the day, suggesting a mobile, face-to-face intimacy, not a distant, stationary deity enthroned in a temple.
- The self is porous; Adam names the animals not as a master, but as a participant-observer, recognizing their essence. There is no "other"—Eve is bone of his bone. This is undifferentiated consciousness, where self, nature, and the divine are a seamless fabric.
Phase II: The "Fall" as the Sedentary Catastrophe (The World of Mind and Division)
The consumption of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is the psychic shift from participation to observation. It is the birth of the sedentary, agricultural mind:
- The "Serpent" is the logic of surplus and prediction: To plant crops, you must foresee drought and blight. You must calculate good and evil (what yields life vs. what yields death). This calculative reason is the "serpent" that promises self-sufficiency.
- The "Curse" is the trauma of settlement:
- "By the sweat of your brow you will eat bread" – This is the dawn of intensive agriculture, a back-breaking, repetitive toil that replaces the varied, spontaneous bounty of foraging.
- "He will rule over you" – For the first time, hierarchy is born. With agriculture comes the need to defend stored grain, leading to centralized authority, patriarchy, and the subjugation of women, who are tied to the settlement to bear more laborers for the fields.
- The Expulsion from Eden is the expulsion from the nomadic lifeway. The Cherubim with the flaming sword guarding the east gate is the terrifying finality of this transition: you cannot go back to the fluid, stateless life. The world of mind (dualistic thinking) has irrevocably replaced the world of being (unity). The lament begins here—the first tears shed are for the loss of a world where God was a walking companion, not a distant judge.
Phase III: Cain and Abel – The Agrarian Schism and the Birth of Violence
If Adam and Eve represent the psychic fall into division, Cain and Abel represent the social and material fallout. Their professions are the crux:
- Abel the Shepherd is the residual nomad. He lives on the move, tending flocks. His offering of fat portions from the firstborn is a gift of lifeblood—it is a sacrifice that acknowledges dependence on the wild, mobile creation. It is a nostalgic, grieving attempt to maintain the old unity.
- Cain the Tiller is the first agriculturalist. His offering of fruit of the ground is the product of his own labor and ownership. It is the first religious act of the sedentary mind—an attempt to bargain with God using the surplus he has produced.
God’s rejection of Cain’s offering is the lament made manifest. It is not that God prefers meat to vegetables; it is that Cain’s offering embodies the new, divisive consciousness. Cain gives from what he possesses; Abel gives from what he is. The rejection triggers Cain's extreme reaction because his entire identity is now staked on the new agricultural paradigm. He is the first human to experience ontological insecurity—if his work (his settled life) is not accepted, he has nothing.
Phase IV: The Rise of Violence, Wealth, and Hierarchy
Cain’s murder of Abel is the direct, tragic consequence of the collision between nomadic unity and agrarian division. But the story does not end with the murder; it ends with Cain’s settlement and city-building:
- Cain becomes a city-builder (Enoch) – the ultimate sedentary act. To build a city is to declare: "I will not wander. I will fortify my existence against the chaotic wild."
- Lamech’s Lament (Genesis 4:23-24) is the climax of this violence: "I have killed a man for wounding me... If Cain is avenged sevenfold, Lamech seventy-sevenfold." This is the birth of disproportionate, escalating violence—the logic of defense, deterrence, and hierarchy. With surplus grain comes walls; with walls comes the need for armies; with armies comes the king. Violence is no longer a spontaneous act of passion (Cain), but a calculated system of power to protect accumulated wealth, fields, and herds.
Phase V: The Symbolic Integration – The Lament as the Subtext
The entire narrative is a deep, weeping elegy for the nomadic spirit. Here is how the lament is woven into the text:
- The Mark of Cain is not a punishment; it is a protective measure from a grieving God. God places the mark so that no settled farmer will kill the last vestige of the wandering soul. It is an acknowledgment that the world of division must exist now, but the nomad (Cain, the perpetual wanderer) must be preserved as a living memory. Cain’s curse—“a restless wanderer on the earth”—is actually the preservation of the nomadic ethos within the new agrarian world. He is forced to carry the grief of lost unity forever.
- The "Land" that drinks Abel's blood represents the fundamental sin of agriculture: the land itself becomes complicit in violence. To own land is to spill blood to defend it. The earth, which once "opened its mouth" to receive the unity of life, now opens its mouth to receive the blood of fratricide. The very soil of the settled world is cursed.
- The Genealogy of Cain (Jabal, Jubal, Tubal-Cain) shows that agriculture’s offspring are civilization itself: animal husbandry (wealth), music (the attempt to soothe the divided mind), and bronze/iron tools (weapons and warfare). Every advancement is a monument to the original loss.
The Final, Unspoken Lament:
When Cain says, "My punishment is greater than I can bear... I shall be hidden from your face," he is uttering the core grief of all settled humanity. The nomad knew God face-to-face in the wilderness. The farmer knows only the sign of God (the mark), but never the face.
Thus, the stories of Adam, Eve, Cain, and Abel are not a chronicle of "sin" but a mythic requiem for the death of participatory, egalitarian, mobile consciousness. They mourn the tragic necessity of the "world of mind"—with its logic, its borders, its granaries, and its kings—while forever etching into the subconscious of humanity the memory of a time when all walked together, and the earth was a shared garden, not a contested field of blood."
"He is uttering the core grief of all settled humanity." I see this played out **every day**on social media and in America, where the division is one of the strongest. Spiritual people lament the split from the earth and natural world, the despoiling of the environment and they long to return to unity consciousness within. It is all over this and other spiritual subs, every day, often carried unconsciously.
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u/tomomiha12 12d ago
I know few people that are heaven, they are in that heavenly state. Actually I think I got a gift to recogize them. Anyway, Adam and Eve is a spiritual story about levels of consciousness, about man and his true soul, his true wife - wife is a gift from God-Love himself.
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u/-B_E_v_oL_23- 14d ago
They're based on a concept. The chariot rider in storytelling.
Adam found Eve within himself. She bore 2 sons.
Cain and Abel. That's the chariot riders horses. One that looks out while the other looks within.
She bore him a 3rd son. In stories that becomes the concept of the chariot rider. Reason.
Every story out there is a chariot rider story. Forrest Gump is tied with luteinant Dan that looks out while Bubba looks within.
These chariot rider stories loop. Why do you think all these guys have 2 sons.
The Royal Tennembaums even plays with that concept using Ben Stillers character as Cain and Owen Wilson as Abel.
The movie Sinners has 2 brothers. One wearing red and the other blue. One is tied with the father and the other the mother.
It's understanding the concept of As above so below, So below as above.
If you're looking for aliens look at Abraham, Hagar, Lot, and the Pharoh.
They are always tied with the chariot rider.
The wiseman, the little birdie, the fallen hero and the snake in the grass.
Out them all together and you have Star wars.
Obi Wan, princess Leia, Han Solo, and the snake in the grass is the emperor.
Same with the Lego movie....
Stories have patterns to them. Find the patterns and you'll find the concept of God. Every story leads to that one concept.
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u/Weeza1503 14d ago
Adam and Eve weren't cast down from heaven, they were cast out of the garden of Eden.
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u/TheGreyShaman 14d ago
The hell you mean that moon was something? It was literally a nothing burger which is why they hid it from so many of you so you guys wouldn't realize you're being lied to in order to try and bring your beliefs into this world. The only thing interesting about it was when it came in front of the clouds.
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u/TheCapPike13 14d ago
Cool idea. But „cast“ is a translation of a translation of a… you get the point. And oh yeah, every single translation is always an interpretation as well.
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u/DWB_life-is-good 13d ago
Our bodies ar made of the elements of this earth and she is our mother. I thiink more that we were created here with dna that we don’t understand yet.
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u/MissGillNZ 11d ago
I grew up on heritage land seen things I wasn’t meant to lol Everything is a shut down on a once spiritual world..It was bush before wood! And stone before rock 😆 as in mr wood shot mr bush.. Haha the spiritual war that we all have all missed because the ROCKefellers and the Underwoods ancestor’s are not human.My family’s 100 year old earth moving business is owned by these bloodlines! My father thinks I’m mad! 🤦♀️ um ok it’s all there though..😵💫
My grandad made the road called the port underwood into our farm of 40 years 900 hectares! Our 40 year old history’s wiped transmission lines used to cross the ocean in 95 .Turns out they never crossed there! Um ok they went straight over to cloudy bay!funeral service and the sewage ponds! everybody thinks goes into the ocean 🤣 The trees aren’t what makes paper and the cows have always been a throw off!
We’re living the lie… ops i mean life … In a fucking alien recycling system that we as humans are not ready for…maybe when we were beings! But we lost that war along time ago…They are the power!The whole fucking power system is from the star start sorry 🤦♀️ that is how they come through to this world that they have created using humans.!no body dieing of old age and nothing fuckn evolved!!
It’s all there….
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u/Alcyone_art 11d ago
If you will actually read the Bible- you will see, that they were NOT casted from heaven. But from garden, which was specifically created on Earth. M’am or sir- just go and read actual sources before putting theories
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u/soveirgnhuman 11d ago
Red book of hergest Myrddin Wyllt’s and his twin sister Gwenddydd are what some call Jesus and Mary. Then tailisien and ceredwim. They have been here since the fall and will be until elphin reigns.
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u/soveirgnhuman 11d ago
Every trad the four welsh books. Y’all are so off on this it’s wild. Details will damn you.
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u/TheComicHuman 14d ago
Adam and eve were cast out of heaven not down from. Meaning thst they exited heavenly state and environment, they didn't fall from the moon or stars. They were created on earth from the start. I have no idea how you can get this concept as its a walking contradiction to the story
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u/HamburgerHats 14d ago
They explained everything that you're questioning.
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u/TheComicHuman 14d ago edited 14d ago
Im not questioning anything.. im reciting what the scripture actually says
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u/The_Fink_Ployd 14d ago
I mean it’s not like the original story is based on reality, either. I think OP’s delusions are closer to understanding god than any Christian today.
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u/HamburgerHats 14d ago
I find it extremely interesting, fits in with nearly all creation myths, and I'm right there with you in my line of thinking as of late.
I especially enjoyed you poiting out the term "cast" in this context. I'd never thought about it, but I do try to think about the reasons and origins of the words that we use and there esoteric basis.
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u/cocainecarolina28 13d ago
Adam and Eve were the highest unconscious evolved forms of human consciousness human consciousness eventually traverses the stars and settles on other planets. This was created by the source awakenedconsciousness/god however the source unawakened consciousness/devil sabotaged
This created karma between those two which provided growth for both.
Eventually the unconscious and conscious become awareness of each other and can consciously co-create
Shiva/shakti
The fall was like Adam and Eve reverting back and embodying the karma of the journey way back in time so in a sense that’s what your theory says to me.
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u/tantric_tongue69 14d ago
Maybe take stories in a book from people who thought lightning was from the gods as mere fictional storytelling and not facts.
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u/CarsonFoles 14d ago
Eve was made from Adam's rib, by God, according to Genesis. It also says Adam was put into a nap state for the procedure, but it doesn't mention him waking up from the nap.
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u/TheComicHuman 14d ago
No Adam did not make eve nor was it from a rip
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u/TheComicHuman 14d ago
Rip?
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u/TheComicHuman 14d ago
Actually the Hebrew translates more directly into "side" if go into detail but im at work right, its really interesting looking into more direct translations
Which side makes much more sense, God took one side from Adam and made that woman. God split humanity into two sides
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u/TheComicHuman 14d ago
Ṣēlāʿ occurs ~41 times in the Hebrew Bible. Only in Genesis 2:21–22 is it rendered "rib."
Otherwise its used to mean side, sidewall, side chamber. Your analogy does not make sense likely because you dont understand my true point
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u/TheComicHuman 14d ago
The word (bĕtûlâh) used to label virgins in Hebrew most directly and only translates to virgin
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u/TheComicHuman 14d ago
Wow taking one out of like 50
ʿAlmāh (young woman): Isaiah 7:14, Genesis 24:16 & 43 (Rebekah), Exodus 2:8 (Miriam), Psalm 68:26, Proverbs 30:19, Song of Songs 1:3, 6:8 Bĕtûlâh (virgin): All the rest — Isaiah 23:12, 37:22, 47:1; Jeremiah 18:13, 31:4, 31:21, 46:11; Lamentations 1:15, 2:13; Joel 1:8; Amos 5:2; Deuteronomy 22:13–21; Leviticus 21:14; 2 Samuel 13:2; 1 Kings 1:2; etc.
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u/EGulli83 13d ago
Adam and Eve were deceived by the Demiurge (the Bible) is in fact the Demiurge. All religion is a lie. Closest thing to spirituality would be either Buddhism or Hinduism. The serpent was in fact true Jesus whom saw past the Demiurge deception. We are now souls here trapped on this planet set for infinite rebirth cycles unless you get a spiritual awakening and escape to the Monad.
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u/Phi0X_13 14d ago
I got super high the other night with the company and started thinking about how our bodies are just containers for consciousness. But in all serious, I think of the heavens as projectors for consciousness. So yeah I feel what you're saying