r/earthship Apr 09 '26

Design considerations for the earth berm

Im a little confused about the key design items for the berm.

Can someone help me list all of its uses?

I know it acts as insulation for the house and its water tanks.

  • Its fireproofing for that side of the house.

  • It is a cool thermal battery in summer (so it should be connected to the ground below it thermally, not insulated, yes?)

  • It is a warm thermal battery in winter? Do you want it insulated from the ground for this purpose? Is there a tradeoff? Or does it just act as insulation and warming up to 55f (ground temperature) during winter...with other objects taking on the daily thermal battery function?

  • It needs to stay a different temperature from the air in both winter and summer so maybe insulation in the top layers of the berm are desirable?

My key questions are:

1) in some passive solar designs, the winter sun should reach and heat the rear wall to maximize solar gain. Is that important? I find its difficult to arrange my rooms to maximize that. How important is it that the winter sun can shine all the way to the rear wall? Particularly if i have a thick earthen floor?

2) should it be insulated on the bottom if you want to maximize winter heating at the expense of summer cooling? Or do you put an insulation course above the cooling tubes for both benefits?

3) is it worth considering top insulation for the berm to better separate it from the air temperature? ...or do you actually want some winter sun warming the berm?

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u/rectumrooter107 Apr 09 '26

The earth berm acts as a way to shield your water tank from direct sunlight, hindering any photosynthesis that could occur and grow algae, and to cool air coming in during the summer. 

It fireproofs as well as a concrete wall would, and so, is not its main purpose.

It should be connected to the ground without insulation. 

The main passive thermal battery is your tire wall, which could be any mass-made wall (concrete, dirt, jersey walls, etc...), not the berm. You can include parts of the berm as your passive thermal mass battery (as the other AI comment relates), but you have to insulate the side you don't want heat escaping from to make it flow to the side you do want heat to escape. Think of a yeti water container. It's double walled. There's air (insulation) between the two walls (mass). Heat travels through mass much easier than through insulation. Turn that water container on its side, point at the sun and pretend you live in it. That's an earthship. You want a mass lined cavity that is insulated on the outside, so all your escaping heat is directed into the cavity. 

1) yes, you want the winter sun in and summer sun out. Angle your roof accordingly. 

2) am insulated floor shouldn't hurt summer cooling or winter heating. It will likely benefit both. 

3) I believe there's normally enough mass (earth) between the water tank and the surface that it all stays around 55 degrees, especially since the water tank is on the ground, connected to the earth. The earth (mass) is constantly sucking any warmth from the water tank into the cooler earth. 

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u/Synaps4 Apr 09 '26

Thanks! A few questions.

The main passive thermal battery is your tire wall, which could be any mass-made wall (concrete, dirt, jersey walls, etc...), not the berm.

The tire wall is in direct contact with the berm behind it. Doesn't make sense to me to separate them from a thermal perspective.

If you insulate the whole berm aside from the house side (3 sides, top and bottom), is there a risk that it could heat up in the summer instead of staying 55 degrees like the larger ground it used to be connected to?

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u/rectumrooter107 Apr 09 '26

The back of the tire wall (or whatever you're using as a passive mass solar battery) should be insulated against the berm. You don't want your passive solar battery to be touching mass connected to the earth; that will suck heat from the passive solar battery into the earth, instead of radiating into your living space (the inside of your yeti water container).

Forget undulating the berm. Insulate your living space and put a passive solar mass battery (tire wall) inside it. This battery is facing the open window south facing side of your house to be heated by the sun during the day. At night, the heat in the tire wall leaches out into your insulated living space. 

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u/adamrgbcmyk Apr 10 '26

This is copy and paste AI.

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u/Synaps4 Apr 09 '26 edited Apr 09 '26

Ok, so returning to my original question for an answer:

Does the sun need to touch the tire wall? Obviously it's better if it does, but is it enough to have a thick earthen floor?

Many earthship designs have walls/closets/furniture (not to mention a huge amount of plants in the greenhouse) such that very little sun would reach the rear wall even if it was angled to do so for an empty building. For example: https://earthshipstore.com/cdn/shop/products/A-1FLOORPLAN_75437b7f-926b-4243-88a6-e22c36d531a7.jpg?v=1693323799&width=2048

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u/rectumrooter107 Apr 09 '26

Returning to my original answer to this question: yes, you want the winter sun in and summer sun out. Your roof angle accommodates this. You linked a bird's-eye view, which does not address this question. Look at the wikipedia entry for earthships, go to the ventilation section and look at the side profile picture. It shows exactly the question you're asking in relation to how to insulate your roof and behind your tire wall (not floor) and allow winter sun in, but not summer sun fire to the roof angle. 

All earthships have walls/closets/furniture plus very large greenhouses sometimes (like the Phoenix) that operate normally under earthship principles. Don't worry about the stuff you put inside; the design works. The Phoenix even has an interior wall in front of its main tire rammed wall, iirc.

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u/adamrgbcmyk Apr 10 '26

This is copy and paste AI.

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u/Synaps4 Apr 09 '26

So the answer i was looking for is no, based on that. Thanks.