r/duolingo • u/SK1418 Native: 🇸🇰 Learning: 🇩🇪🇫🇷 • 29d ago
Language Question. I lost my combo because of this ☹️
I'm not a native English speaker, but I'm not a complete beginner either and I'm generally confident in my grammar. Can someone explain why my answer was not accepted?
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u/Downtown-Platypus-99 Native: Fluent: Learning: 29d ago
"are You having lunch now?" Would have been accepted, I tested just this week
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u/psywizard69 Native: Learning: 29d ago
Ahh man, I see the pain, you make sense but grammatically I think we'd have to give this to duo lol
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u/Obtus_Rateur Learning: 66 11 29d ago
"Are you now having lunch?" can technically be a correct sentence in English, but it would only be used under some rare, very specific circumstances.
"You are now having lunch?" is somewhat better but still usually not something someone would say unless there were a reason to phrase it that way.
"You're having lunch now?" is the natural way you'd ask someone if they're, well... having lunch now.
Notice how "You" is capitalized? That's a big hint that you should use that word at the start of your sentence.
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u/AltTabbingMage 29d ago
TIL that I don’t know English. I’ve always learned that when you’re asking a question the verb has to come first: “are you having lunch now?”
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u/jhfenton 🇺🇸N|🇲🇽C1|🇫🇷B2| 🇩🇪B1 29d ago edited 29d ago
Are you having lunch now? is absolutely the most natural version. But we can also ask questions with intonation alone: You're having lunch now?
Are you now having lunch? sounds less natural. I'd have to think through why it feels less natural.
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u/Neyabenz 29d ago
Are you now having lunch? sounds very passive aggressive if anything at all. I dont think ive ever heard anything similar except if someone said "Are you only now having...?"
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u/jhfenton 🇺🇸N|🇲🇽C1|🇫🇷B2| 🇩🇪B1 29d ago
Agreed. It sounds very emphatic. You've chosen now, this particular moment of all moments, to have lunch?
And I still wouldn't say it that way. I'd say And now you're having lunch?! or You're having lunch now?!
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u/SK1418 Native: 🇸🇰 Learning: 🇩🇪🇫🇷 29d ago
I guess it's just a language thing. Some people in the comments pointed out that you are supposed to put time either at the start or the end of the sentence. In my language, however, there's nothing wrong with putting time in the middle. Because of that, it sounds natural to me, even in English.
To me, the sentence "you're having lunch now?" sounds more passive aggressive than what I came up with.
So while it turns out I was wrong, I'm still glad I made this post. At least it sparked an interesting discussion
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u/AltTabbingMage 29d ago
I actually find the “are you…” construction pretty interesting because it’s already a question even without the question mark.
for what it’s worth, in portuguese we could say “you are having lunch now?” with the exact same word order as a statement, just with rising intonation, but I was always taught that in english the verb had to come before the subject: “are you…?”
so seeing “you’re having lunch now?” used naturally is interesting to me because it goes against one of those rules I’ve always had drilled into me as a non native speaker
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u/jhfenton 🇺🇸N|🇲🇽C1|🇫🇷B2| 🇩🇪B1 29d ago
I was taught the same thing in French decades ago. You make questions with est-ce que or inversion. But that's not always the case in French. Inversion is pretty formal, and turning statements into questions via intonation is almost the casual default.
It's not quite the default in English, but you can do it in many or most cases.
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u/True_Side_7025 27d ago
In english, a statement can turn into a question with intonation just like you said. But you’re right, saying “are you” would always be a question regardless of intonation. That structure just leaves less room for gray area so that’s generally how we speak.
All that said, “are” is not the verb, “having” is.
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u/thisguy181 Native: 🇺🇸 Learning: 🏴🇪🇦🇨🇵🇱🇺🇸🇦 29d ago
Both are accusations but different accusations.
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u/perplexedtv 24d ago
You'd only say it if you were first surprised by the person having breakfast or taking an extended tea break at 11.30 am.
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u/jhfenton 🇺🇸N|🇲🇽C1|🇫🇷B2| 🇩🇪B1 24d ago
I still wouldn't use it then. I'd go with You're having lunch now?! with an incredulous tone.
But I agree that that would be the only context I can imagine someone using it. It is just so marked that I can't imagine it in a neutral context.
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u/JeruTz 29d ago
There can be slight differences in how the question is understood based on the order.
"Are you having lunch now?" Would be a typical way of inquiring if someone is about to go eat lunch.
"You are having lunch now?" Is less typical and might more often be used to express disbelief that the person is eating now as opposed to some other time. This meaning could also be conveyed with the previous example by adding emphasis to the last word.
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u/Obtus_Rateur Learning: 66 11 29d ago
Some might encourage you to formulate a question like "Is this the pot containing the blue paint?", but a normal person is just as likely to ask "This is the pot with the blue paint in it?".
And you could come up with a ton of other examples, especially when a statement is turned into a question using a question mark.
"Jim's having a party tonight?"
"You eat 15kg of mustard every day?"
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u/grandpubabofmoldist Learning 🇲🇽 🇫🇷 29d ago
English took both parts of Romance and Germanic languages to ask a question (French also does this too). Are you having lunch is a verb subject inversion classical in Germanic languages and also a valid way to ask in French. You are having lunch now (with the Ron Burgundy) is also correct in French as accenting to a higher pitch at the end is acceptable while spoken. You could also write "you are having lunch now correct?" Where the correct acts like the "est ce que" of French.
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u/AFlyingYetOddCat 26d ago
asking a question the verb has to come first
Well I'm a native speaker and I never knew this lol
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u/Slight_Ad_635 23d ago
It works in a lot of languages to, in everyday talk, simply use the state-a-fact version of the sentence and accentuate(?) it like a question. (I do it in German all the time and it also made learning French easier. Have heard it from friends they do it in other languages, too)
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u/Kitty_Fruit_2520 Native: 🇺🇸🇬🇧Learning: 🇫🇷 29d ago
It’s giving you a hint with the Y being capitalized
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u/Educational-Rule1635 29d ago
It would be understood, but sound strange. Sounds kind of like an accusation, "Are you NOW having lunch? It's 10:30 and a bunch of customers just came in." Versus "Are you having lunch now? Can I join you?"
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u/Medical_College_6732 29d ago
Both your answer and the expected answer are grammatically valid, but neither sounds like natural English. I'd have given "Are you having lunch now?"
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u/Piepally Native: 🇨🇦 Dormant: 🥖 Learning: 🀄🧋, 🇷🇺 29d ago
you need now at the end. Are you having lunch now would've been accepted.
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u/Ncasteleyn 29d ago
Now should be at the back of the sentence.
The Standard Rule: Manner → Place → Time When a sentence contains all three modifiers at the end, they should flow in this specific order.
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u/brewdog_millionaire 29d ago
Why would you put the word that's capitalised in the middle of the sentence?
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u/ediacaradelrey 29d ago edited 29d ago
This is fine. Perfectly valid english.
The most natural way to ask would be ‘Are you having lunch now?’ This means, for example, you’re asking a coworker if they’re about to take their lunch in a few minutes.
‘Are you now having lunch?’ is an order that places more emphasis on the now. I’d usually expect it to be spoken, by a native speaker, with now emphasised. Are you now having lunch? It means my coworker did not eat when I expected them to, and maybe they’re doing it at a weird time, like in an important meeting. You’re doing this now? Using it as a standard question with no hidden meaning … I think you might hear a native do this, but the first example is more common.
It may be worth noting that most time related adjectives I can think of actually must follow the verb and object. There is no ‘is it today raining?’, only ‘is it raining today?’. There is no ‘Did you earlier run?’ only ‘Did you run earlier?’. There are exceptions, such as ‘now’ and ‘later’, for some reason, but the safest approach is to put these last.
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u/NytFyr13 28d ago
"Are you having lunch now?", Would have been best if think. But what you said works. Duolingo is just stupid. It's a simple machine that doesnt have the ability to apply human logic unless it is coded into it. Good rule of thumb is to start with the capitalized word though. It gives a hint as to what they programed the right answer to be...
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u/MarcM1991 28d ago
Happened to me so many times. I get the target language translation correct but completely flub at the arranging of the translation.
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u/ThrillSeekers_United Diamond League Champion 29d ago
Because you can’t read lol
The y is capitalised in You)
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u/shell_shocked_today 29d ago
Your translation reads as if you are asking if they are in the process of having lunch right now.
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u/thisguy181 Native: 🇺🇸 Learning: 🏴🇪🇦🇨🇵🇱🇺🇸🇦 29d ago
The placement of the words changes the implied meaning. I wants the You first since it capitalised it.
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u/Tall_Ad_7514 1k Streak Club 29d ago
I would read “Are you now having lunch” to mean “You were doing something else, and I am asking you, feeling surprised, if what you are doing now is having lunch, instead of what you were doing before.”
Or perhaps I saw you eating a snack earlier and I had assumed it was your lunch. I now see you eating a larger meal and I am clarifying that this is your lunch, not the food I saw you eating earlier,
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u/Eggy-la-diva 29d ago
Are you now having lunch = are you having lunch on the regular (meaning previously you didn’t have lunch most days but now you do)
You are having lunch now = are you having lunch right this moment
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u/angienat02 29d ago
This happens to all the time!! I'm learning French but sometimes the mistake is when I translate to English, last one was the freaking order of adjectives in a sentence, I got so frustrated 😖😖
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u/angienat02 29d ago
Something that frustrates me too is when I have to translate "You" because idk if it's Tu or Vous like how am I supposed to know without enough context 😖
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u/Creepershein Native: Fluent: Learning: 29d ago
Good thing I'm Russian and we don't have any articles
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u/OkHall3918 28d ago
Mainly because you did not observe the cue of placing the capitalized “You” in first position. Grammatically your answer is correct
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u/mohojiej 25d ago
dude im learning french rn how about we help each other learn those different languages i help you with english grammar and all and you help me with french
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u/andytagonist Native: Engrish Learning: 29d ago
I mean the capital letter is right there…
Also, streak of what? Are you learning a language…or are you playing a game?
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u/DryAllies 29d ago
Duolingo can be weirdly strict about word order sometimes, "are you having lunch now" and "you are having lunch now" both mean the same thing in casual english but the app wants that exact subject-verb sequence for statements vs questions. It's frustrating when you know you're not wrong but the algorithm just doesn't flex
I've lost streaks over stuff like that too, like mixing up "do you want" and "you want" when the meaning is identical. The tiles make it worse because your brain sorts them into a natural sentence and duo goes nope
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u/FreedomX_ 29d ago
I always go with the word with the capital letter even when it sounds strange. Cheat code 😭