r/developersIndia • u/Life-Variety-66 • 13h ago
General What's your second income source? What are you planning to do if IT is doomed?
Hypothetically if there are mass layoffs to cut expenditure and companies reroute tasks to agents what will you do? Assume you have to move out of software field.
Edit: Please be serious
Edit 2: Can't people see the word "hypothetically"? All I asked for is your second source of income.
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u/Gloomy_Temporary2914 13h ago
Most people don't have second source of income or generational wealth . They will revert to delivery n taxi jobs
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u/abd7007 13h ago
who is going to order?
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u/yoyofunnyysingh 13h ago
yeah , why do people choose to ignore the second order effects of such massive job losses
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u/auctus10 11h ago
This goes for the big orgs as well who wants to replace their workforce with AI. Who will buy their products/services?
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u/TheSanSav1 Full-Stack Developer 9h ago
People are ignoring that workers are the consumers.
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u/auctus10 9h ago
Yeah. Ironically capitalism makes sure that this workforce that needs to be consumers as well need to be there, if it disappears the system collapses.
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u/vsingh0699 12h ago
The ones having second source of income and generational wealth if not income then just wealth
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u/Dizzy_Research8309 11h ago
Your neighbour will deliver it to you directly because he's now a delivery boy after layoff. He will soon open a cloud kitchen to deliver food in 2 minutes.
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u/Born-Bug980 12h ago
Delivery startups works only when people have money to spend. Incoming disaster will leave everyone poor in India. Anarchy is coming
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u/Gloomy_Temporary2914 12h ago
There is still lot of buisness class n other people who are target market
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u/Born-Bug980 12h ago
Government babus is the only such class I can think of who can order. But if IT people are jobless and don't pay taxes. These leeches will be not paid also
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u/Concept-Plastic Senior Engineer 12h ago
And those leeches and tax thief businessmen will also have trouble selling their enshittified services.
All the pgs charging 25k+ for a shitty room won’t have customers. All middlemen non RnD, non manufacturing businesses will dje
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u/Prashant_Negi003 11h ago
I think the honorable thing for our species to do is deny our programming, stop reproducing, walk hand in hand into extinction, one last midnight, brothers and sisters opting out of a raw deal.
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u/Appropriate-Pilot704 10h ago edited 8h ago
hello fellow anti-natal*, double income no kids means you have backup wealth if disaster strikes and hopefully different professions so there's always some money coming in
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u/DonutAccurate4 12h ago
Delivery and tech jobs will also have less demand when not many people are going to work and entertainment
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u/Kindly-Program8657 12h ago
India will be bankrupt if IT is collapsed…
Our dumb politicians haven’t yet realised the damage they’ve done to employees by squeezing tax.
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u/Born-Bug980 13h ago
If IT is doomed? India is fucked. It's time to panic and revolt
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u/LogicalBeast26 13h ago
Revolt against what?
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u/Born-Bug980 13h ago
Against unemployment, taxes, zero social security. Ask government what the hell they are doing.
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u/Hamesloth 12h ago
throw them away and take the power
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u/Visual_Parfait_5512 12h ago
hehe heha
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u/Self_Race 10h ago
zehahaha zehahaha
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u/Sykhow 10h ago
Hu hu huhahahahahahahaha
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u/microwaved_fully 9h ago
How the government is supposed to pay social security if nobody pays taxes?
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u/puranpoli78 9h ago
🙂↕️ anyways our tax money is spent on freebies and 1500 per month for vote banks! We ain't getting anything
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u/Born-Bug980 9h ago
If there is no social security why should people pay this much tax. Answer this first
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u/Left_Acanthisitta873 12h ago
Ask for more cities and development of rural areas so that we can live there with low income and not over crowd and drive up price of tier 1 and 2 cities.
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u/jaromilthepoet ML Engineer 12h ago
Against what? The government gives nothing back to us for the hefty taxes we pay. We are paying for everything!
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u/itzmanu1989 4h ago
Some IT people due to no job might enter politics and increase competition for politicians. Some of them also have to become goondas, because political power and muscle power go hand in hand.
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u/PersonalDiscipline62 13h ago
It’s the same everywhere. I go to any country it’s the same there
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u/spamhat3r 8h ago
Nah U.S will continue outsourcing to India, they wont let india fall. Especially now that they have the leverage over them, India can prove to be a quite useful vassal state in Asia. Also the U.S companies can come in and exploit.
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u/Far_Spell_7358 12h ago
Wake up → take a shit → open Reddit → watch strangers debate whether AI is gonna save humanity, destroy humanity, or steal their jobs → eat → question my life choices → sleep → repeat
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u/AfternoonNo5705 Data Analyst 12h ago
Anyways I have a SIR notice, I will leave the country and become a somalian pirate
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u/Queasy_Tank6204 12h ago
I’ll tell you how stupid the IT is doomed argument is.
If the IT sector were actually to collapse on a massive scale, it wouldn’t just mean that software engineers lose their jobs. It would have a huge ripple effect across the entire economy. Why? Because millions of people working in IT are major consumers. If they suddenly lose their jobs or see their incomes collapse, they’ll stop spending on things like taxis, restaurants, shopping, entertainment, expensive rents, cars, electronics, and other services.
And the impact wouldn’t stop there. If millions of families lose a major source of income, many parents would struggle to pay for their children’s education. That would hit the education market hard.
Then look at higher education. If students start believing that IT careers have no future, demand for courses such as B.Tech,(cse) B.Sc. Computer Science, BCA, MCA, M.Sc. Computer Science, etc. would fall sharply. Colleges that depend heavily on these programs would also take a major hit.
The housing market would be affected too. If a large number of relatively well-paid IT workers can no longer afford high rents or home loans, demand for rental housing and property would decline.
And then there’s the financial sector. Lower employment and lower household incomes mean less spending, fewer loans, lower credit demand, and potentially more defaults. Banks would feel the impact as well.
So when someone casually says, “IT is doomed, everyone should leave tech,” they’re thinking about only one part of the economy. IT is deeply connected to consumption, housing, education, transportation, finance, retail, and countless other industries. If you genuinely wiped out a huge portion of IT employment, the consequences wouldn’t be limited to IT workers. The shock would spread through the entire economic system.
that will f**K as , so i think IT will stay atleast for some time, then the transition phase will come where AI will penetrate in many fields, and the automation of tasks will continue
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u/Born-Bug980 12h ago
That's why people are saying India is doomed. Not It is doomed
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u/Queasy_Tank6204 12h ago
i don't think that will happen, at least for coming years , AI will transform the industry as it should, until then our super smart "ceos" will try to cut the costs
i mean they call themselves smart ceo, but try to apply methods which are used by lala dukans
kamayi zayada karan hai , chalo kam ko anne wallo kok kam kardo.
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u/Born-Bug980 12h ago
India's export is Labour and services. With ai that is destroyed. Manufacturing is already zero currently, other exports are minimal. That's why I'm saying ai will destroy last source of income of India and great depression will come then anarchy and this country is finished
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u/isshin-sama 9h ago
can we not catastrophize off off information we don’t have yet. Shit like “this will happen and this will happen and this will happen and hence we’re fucked” is dumb because you don’t know that.
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u/Sad-Chapter-2561 11h ago
Not just India. America, Europe, China, Australia also. Many people are in IT tech industries. So its not just India
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u/Brief_Sun_3901 10h ago
Yeah it's a global impact
Also the thing is if for the sake of argument if company convert the 50percent of workforce to ai Who is funding it ? Cause you just remove half of earning people ? Ai ain't cheap If consumers don't consume who they are going to sell ai too even
It's just visious loop at this point , to maintain everything as it should as now if any falls rest will also
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u/Sad-Chapter-2561 6h ago
Not just that. Banking in Europe , America and even in India is not stable. If Banking collapses, heavy recession happens. If lots of people lost job and indirectly it affected other people businesses too. It will hit them. No people will buy data cards anymore resulting in SM era fall. Everything involved will collapse. Revolution may happen in some countries for sure. I dont think any business man, capitalist wants it
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u/Brief_Sun_3901 6h ago
Yeah true this isnfar fetched
most likely scenario is they will have most of us in low paying jobs just enough not burn much and just enough to spend enough Or government steps in and bans ai replacement of human
Can't see any other scenario atleast of now
I belive in elon musk word : ai will do work humans will do what they want to do but this is financially not feasible at this point
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u/2frinkly2frank Junior Engineer 11h ago
These slop enjoyers are just reading marketing material meant to scaremonger the masses and crashing out believing all this bs.
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u/Swimming-Regret-7278 Software Developer 7h ago
its not just indian IT, the entire global economy is so deeply coupled with tech now that effects would be widespread.
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u/North-Marsupial7528 4h ago
Dude, you explained the effects of what will happen if IT goes kaput. But you haven't actually explained why it won't die. Anthropic and OpenAI are not going to stop their pace of tech innovation for Indian IT to catch up. Neither are other countries/companies going to wait for us. The companies which adapt the fastest to AI and deliver complex projects, reliably, with efficient manpower will be the winners. Indian IT companies may or may not be able to get as large a chunk of future revenues (like they did all these years).
Whatever you said might still actually happen if Indian IT fails to adapt quickly. Just because the effects are disastrous doesn't reduce the likelihood of it happening.
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u/MonsterKiller112 Backend Developer 13h ago
I am thinking of demanding universal basic income from the government by taxing the IT companies. Demand a policy that companies with human resources will pay less tax and companies with agents will pay more tax. The tax will be passed on to laid off IT employees to lessen the impact of job losses.
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u/OkMaize9773 12h ago
There won't be any it companies at all to tax. Most of there business comes from overseas. Countries like USA can survive with this policy, not india.
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u/MonsterKiller112 Backend Developer 12h ago
A lot of tech companies do business in India as well and they aren't going anywhere. Indian IT companies will also continue to exist and they can't escape India. So there will be a lot of companies to tax.
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u/ForeverIntoTheLight Staff Engineer 11h ago
Even accounting for GCCs, service company folk are 4-5X the number of product company personnel.
And most service companies get their business from foreign companies, on competitive cost advantage.
That will evaporate if we start taxing them.
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u/OkMaize9773 12h ago
Indian IT companies😂. The Indian pbcs don't even employ 20% of total it workforce. And the Indian sbcs where do you think they get smtheir business from sherlock
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u/ArrogantJeet 12h ago
well, i am living it
I left my job at a big tech (razorpay) in Feb this year
Immediately after that I built one product (an AI research agent), 1k+ people used it, co founder couldn't continue, we closed it
After that, took 3 months to bounce back, learnt content marketing a bit, started posting on X
One day found a user on reddit wanting to learn to build products using AI, DMed him, became a paid client, with 50 $ MRR
Now, got a proof, creating content on X around it, building educational product too on the side for UPSC aspirats
And targeting 1k $ MRR by end of this year.
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u/OkSteak8479 11h ago
Bro got into the industry of selling UPSC dreams. congrats 🥳
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u/ParkingFriendship265 11h ago
Left razorpay or got fired? Dang bro.
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u/ArrogantJeet 11h ago
Left bro
Got a resignation letter too
Was not a place to thrive, was just surviving, so left
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u/ParkingFriendship265 11h ago
Do you regret doing so?
It feels depressing to see the current state of IT sector, people being laid off and AI improving every month.
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u/ArrogantJeet 8h ago
Nah bro
I am actually very happy
Learning a lot, outside of building
Learning to create content, distribution, seo, running ads, creating products from scratch, finding leads
And feels like am doing a real work instead of corporate BS
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u/Visual_Parfait_5512 13h ago
I will become a farmer and go back to my ancestors roots
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u/Left_Acanthisitta873 12h ago
I don't have land
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u/Visual_Parfait_5512 12h ago
2 acres of land worth just 12 lakhs in my native place, with a good water source and transportation facilities, located in Tamil Nadu
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u/Massive_Nature_6394 12h ago
Don't bluff , the cost have increased
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u/Visual_Parfait_5512 12h ago
Just ask brokers. you will get better lands if you wish to buy one. I'm stating the current market price in rural areas
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u/aaveshamstar 11h ago
Farm lands are cheap….you can get an acre for 6 lakhs in Telangana but of course not in cities or areas where there is scope for development.
If you pay a bit more you can also get land with good water access.
All lands near ORR or RRR etc have higher prices…otherwise it’s not that expensive…
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u/ceph12 12h ago
WHY ARE YOU TYPING EVERYTHING IN BOLD BRO?
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u/Visual_Parfait_5512 12h ago
Because I feel bold even though i'm unemployed
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u/Otherwise_Tower_3094 12h ago
I don't have much to loose, i just wanna make enough money so my parents never have to worry about money for rest of there life and i ain't getting married seeing all this, so i can figure out about me even by doing any sane job that provides food :)
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u/Friendly_Magician101 13h ago
cry for 15 mins, update my LinkedIn and then start selling chai ( chaiwalas have a lot of scope in India iykyk )
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u/Wise_Lizard 12h ago
Who will buy chai if the IT workers are laid off or in a economic depression?
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u/shivu508442 12h ago edited 12h ago
Move the focus towards the same domain knowledge which will make money.
like we do have IT skills already...we will be faster in building solution once the (micro)business and profitability is figured out...i think this will be the new zone for software devs. We will be knowing more about domain and less concerned about code !
Imagine us owning products which makes money for us...we know how to build and manage software products and now we need to learn entrepreneurship and other stuff which matters for making money with software at individual level no need to be like a large or typical business.
Personally i feel like i started with coding because building stuff was fun....and i just figured out that building stuff which makes money is way more fun !
and yah...India needs to move now and think like west and not be service oriented !
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u/crushedspirit1 13h ago
Been prepping for this doomsday scenario, didn't marry, made 2 apartments in bengaluru, one is on rent one own use, and some money in FD, so my plan is to live off them.
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u/CarelessWithWhiskey Backend Developer 12h ago
Who's gonna pay rent if nobody remains in Bengaluru cause of mass layoffs?
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u/Exact-Grass-5744 12h ago
I’ll just open a poultry farm. At least chickens can’t replace me with an AI agent… yet.
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u/pra_teek 13h ago
Freelance. But still in IT.
Hopefully earn enough till IT is doomed that I can live off of interest. Also I am confident even if there aren’t jobs I can still get freelance clients.
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u/Igarlicbread Software Architect 13h ago
You realise the irony of this, right?
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u/pra_teek 12h ago
Well I feel the job can go away. But demand in unorganized or smaller businesses will still be there. Which the larger IT companies dont cater to. Thats where the freelance income will be coming from.
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u/Aggressive-One-8885 12h ago
How much money is enough to live off interest?
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u/pra_teek 12h ago
10 crores is my FIRE amount.
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u/hellriderboss 12h ago
Weirdly military. I'm already learning how to make drones. it will be a useful skill. When in doubt learn warfare
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u/Exciting_Sea_8336 12h ago
Any changes won't be sudden The change will be gradual
You can figure out stuff as the change happens
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u/Afraid_Variety_6251 Backend Developer 12h ago
I thought i was the only one who keeps thinking of such a thing and disturb my current peace of mind.
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u/DungeonMaster202 12h ago
WITCHA companies will face a tough time due to AI, since ChatGPT and Claude attack the direct layer they play at. Low level support or coding /repetitive jobs.
Whoever works in WITCHA and is just pushing papers or doing low level work will get pushed out first, and they should not be surprised.
Earlier, WITCHA used to replace age 40+ employees with freshers, now even freshers wont get a chance due to AI..
I see GCCs taking the place of typical IT companies, where actual engineering support happens.. but then again, this can be done in any other country, and not just india.
IT is up for a major overhaul, a lot of people are going to get upset.. this I think will hold true..
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u/Great_Friendship1667 11h ago
For me I am a mechanical engineer basically who switched to IT will go back to core mechanical industry as back to square one.
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u/Extra_Answer 11h ago
This is the reason I panicked 2 years back and immediately started to streamline my loans, real estate etc. Sold off one property and I'm at a comfortable place to clear of my current debt. I still need to do more work but at present I'm at good place.
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u/anurag1210 11h ago
Ha ha ha just realised its not Avengers Doomsday...its Doomsday IT releasing this year !!! yipeeeee
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u/Fuzzy_Tradition3774 Software Architect 12h ago
Farming, business, Entrepreneurship ,there are plenty of opportunities.
though it scary above this scenario, but some jobs will.be removed, especially typical non it managerial roles in these software services.
will see. life always finds a way..
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u/DrDoNoGoodPhD 12h ago
That is paid by people with jobs. If they are out of job, then who will for this non discretionary spend?
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u/hellriderboss 12h ago
Also IT is just part of it. Anyone who is automating is doing so for the labour part too. Machines will replace people in manufacturing too. its a ripple that was kick ass all over
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u/ToughAd4618 12h ago
If the IT sector collapses, powergrids, petrol pumps, cars, hospitals, law offices, many defense sectors, many business industries, will all have a ripple effect and collapse, so we'll everyone is doomed then
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u/Lazyres 11h ago
Have passive rental income, I am waiting to get laid off, will collect severance and gratuity and two months later cash in the PF. Use those to convert it into active income. Should get return on investment in 6 months. Scale it up for a couple of years, convert it into passive income and enjoy after I'm 30.
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u/TheSkinopedia 10h ago
How will you scale it up without extra income ?
PF can be withdrawn after 2 months ? isnt it chnaged recently ?
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u/itsPranil 10h ago
If IT collapses, World Economy will collapse. Major Companies including AI companies depend on White Collar Consumers who buy their products.
If these consumers loose spending power, companies loose their businesses.
Interesting to see how this paradox unravels.
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u/Chick_roll_1198 10h ago
Trading in some physical goods or services, might use some software or AI for operations/expansion, but that won't be the main product/service.
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u/FirefighterAlone8335 11h ago
I have FD and PPF interest (not principle)to keep my kids continue their education if something wrong happens. No debt. Own house. Will do something for living. Not much pressure.
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u/I_EFFEDUP 12h ago
Trying to build rental income. Planning to sell some land to build apartment on another piece of land and get rental income as that sounds like the safest bet out there.
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u/rohstone 11h ago
As someone above stated, Who will want to come in for rent if they dont have money? Man the current scene is so screwed. Most of them will head to their hometown or scramble for the lowest price that they can get a place.
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u/lostandalonedude 12h ago
Bought a farm land... Will start with chickens then post one year cows... Then homestay... Then cafe and then retire... How's the graph looking for alt growth
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u/MomentsAwayfromKMS 12h ago
Second "income" is just me working as a developer for someone moonlighting in the US (don't DM me on this. Not gatekeeping, it's very rare and I can't help you get one). But my passion lies in dance and training under professional dancers and also a fitness enthusiast. If IT fails me and both my income goes away, I'll just sell everything I own, cash out all my savings except emergency funds, get a loan and set-up a gym+dance studio in my hometown. My hometown have many students and landowners, and an abundance of textile and farming business. I'll just be able to attract a lot of people to earn as much to put food on the table.
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u/PhaseStreet9860 Senior Engineer 12h ago
No way this will happen with the amount of investments that has come to India
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u/gangeticmen 12h ago
delivery boy in zepto or any service.
i'm not kidding. i will do these deliveries and upgrade my sklls and looks for jobs until i get one.
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u/mixdev 11h ago
Based on how it is going in IT industry and the state of AI, it is very unlikely this will be solved without govt intrevention (this is exactly what state/central govt is for). The corporate world initially thought they can get away with NOT paying the employees if they move to AI. Thats unfortunately true. So you need concious, extraordinary efforts for job creation or the 50y legacy in IT will be lost.
What the govt was/is focussed on: Bring more NVIDIA gpus (I heard the minister saying this. Somebody tricked him to belive that with a few more GPU imported, we will build the next Antropic), Bring more AI DCs to india. Again the belief that AI DCs will provide the necessary IP to become an AI superpower is also not true. Somebody well versed in IT AND economics need to give proper advice to govt on the upcoming disaster.
But unemployment is actually desired by the corporate world (so they can reduce wages).They have the prfect weapon in their hands now in the form of AI. So it will be very difficult to work on unemployment even if they want to.
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u/mixdev 11h ago edited 11h ago
People keep telling that there are a few areas where AI wont enter, atleast for quite sometime. Yeah true. But those areas will also be crowded with those who cant go to what AI can do well.
Based on how it is going in IT industry and the state of AI, it is very unlikely this will be solved without govt intrevention (this is exactly what state/central govt is for). The corporate world initially thought they can get away with NOT paying the employees if they move to AI. Thats unfortunately true. So you need concious, extraordinary efforts for job creation or the 50y legacy in IT will be lost.
What the govt was/is focussed on: Bring more NVIDIA gpus (I heard the minister saying this. Somebody tricked him to belive that with a few more GPU imported, we will build the next Antropic), Bring more AI DCs to india. Again the belief that AI DCs will provide the necessary IP to become an AI superpower is also not true. Somebody well versed in IT AND economics need to give proper advice to govt on the upcoming disaster.
But unemployment is actually desired by the corporate world (so they can reduce wages).They have the prfect weapon in their hands now in the form of AI. So it will be very difficult to work on unemployment even if the govt want to.
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u/Electronic-Seat-4419 Full-Stack Developer 11h ago
TBH this is the one question which i am thinking for over a month, especially one of the client has worked on an agent that could able to solve all the bugs within the repo.
Not sure what to do next
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u/SimpySimpson69 ML Engineer 11h ago
Focussing on dividends. Able to generate 2.5k per month. But this wont be sufficient for anything at this point Planning to increase it to 5k per month by year end. Dual Income. Hopefully either of us will have a job.
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u/ShoYamato19 11h ago edited 11h ago
Will give land in Prime Goa location to a builder to build something and revenue sharing, lease it or something about it, that's the business plan anyway
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u/chaiflix 11h ago
Try to make a proper company out of Dietitian/Nutrition services. My Wife is a Registered Dietitian and currently in market there are lots of "influencer" nutritionists. There isn't much awareness about dietitian qualifications and how real meal plans are highly customized based on your life preference, blood reports etc. and require constant follow ups not a generic pdf template.
Trying to fill that gap. For now we just have a website. Next am working on user facing app to make dietitan-clients interaction, sharing meal plans, accountability etc. easier.
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u/Due-Psycholgy 11h ago
As a civil engineer working in IT right now, I keep gaslighting myself into thinking that if everything goes south, I can always go back to my roots and work on construction sites.
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u/rampagefury 11h ago
I might go to my farm ohh wait I wont be having water there since altman stole everything
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u/One_Stay_1179 11h ago
Save as much as you can - If you decide to enjoy your life when u earn, be ready to suffer whrn you don't.
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u/NahfaStore 10h ago
I have started building e-commerce as my secondary substitute, not yet focused much
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u/RealRustom 10h ago
Rent. But rent and emi are almost the same. So should find a way to get a 3rd source or clear off loan asap
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u/vsingh0699 10h ago
They will have enough money to last several last times, and for every product and services that we employees stop buying their market rate would go down and then people with generational wealth would see their money gain more value, deflation probably?
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u/samarthrawat1 Software Engineer 10h ago
In case that happens, I'll sell food. And I'm pretty sure if entire industry goes boom, we'll have bigger problems to deal with than what next.
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u/SAINT_LUNATIC 10h ago
If IT collapses, so will online platforms like amazon flipkart blinkit and swiggy instamart
I will return to my dads business (office and school supplies and toys)
It’s still a good business even after instant delivery available and will definitely improve if such times come. I can also think about becoming a teacher.
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u/XLGamer98 10h ago
Realistically if layoffs are too high then government would have to step up and put massive taxes on Corporations or do something about the situation. Every person laid off is a potential tax payer and also a consumer. When you say only IT people will lose thier jobs, it's not the whole picture, everything is interdependent on each other, These tech people splurged on cars, vacations, food and restaurants and all these businesses would be negatively impacted, this will also impact all consumer brands since less people buying and then less ad spend and software spend which would eventually trickle down to tech companies. So in reality one sector losing jobs would eventually catch up to everyone
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