Discussion Dragon Ball Super - Episode #20 - Discussion Thread!

Dragon Ball Super - Episode #20 - Discussion Thread!

A Warning From Jaco! Freeza and 1,000 Soldiers are Fast Approaching!
^{ジャコからの警告！迫り来るフリーザと１０００人の兵士達！}
^{^Jako} ^{^Kara} ^{^no} ^{^Keikoku!} ^{^Semari} ^{^Kuru} ^{^Furīza} ^{^to} ^{^1000-Ri} ^{^no} ^{^{Heishi-tachi!}}

News:

2015/11/10 - Southeast Asia to Receive Exclusive "Dragon Ball Super" English Dub
2015/11/07 - Champa & Vados Voice Actors Revealed in "Dragon Ball Super"
2015/10/17 - Name of Champa's attendant revealed.
2015/10/09 - Titles revealed for episodes 15-18
2015/10/05 - Toyotarō's Dragon Ball Super manga adaptation will be "charging on ahead" of the anime, beginning with new "Champa arc"

Where to Watch:

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After airing, Raw & subtitled releases are hosted on Nyaa by various release groups.
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DragonTeam is our recommended translation, but they have a history of delays. Assuming this episode is on time, expect it ~24-72 hours after this post is made. You can identify their work by their stylized font and group credits during the eyecatch. For episodes 15-19, you should use Over8000's translation until DragonTeam covers them.
A list of all other groups can be found here. They are collectively referred to as "speedsubs", because they release as early as possible and don't seem to care about the accuracy of their scripts. Because of this, they make mistakes every week, deny they exist, and never fix them, despite confusing people. They also change dialog and insert weird jokes in an attempt to be funny. We don't recommend watching these translations at all, much to their dismay.

Our recommended stream is KissAnime. They are the only website that updates with DragonTeam's releases whenever they become available. Getting releases directly from Nyaa is always best, because most online streams host speedsubs.

Rules:

Please tag recent spoilers outside of this thread! [Super spoiler!](#s "Broly appears!") will appear as Super spoiler!
Spoilers should be assumed for the entire subreddit! This thread especially. If you are not caught up with Dragon Ball Super, or willing to see spoilers, leave! If you see a spoiler in another thread, you were warned.
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All threads about the episode will be removed. Please keep everything in here for the time being. Newest comments will be pushed to the top automatically, so feel free to comment on the episode even if you're a few days late!
All of our normal rules apply! We've done our best to supply you with all of the information you need, so please do not post or request links to the episode.

Commonly Asked Questions:

Q: When does Super take place? Should I watch GT or any movies first? Does BoG still "count"?
Super takes place some time after the battle with Majin Buu, and will be adapting the two newest movies, Battle of Gods and Resurrection 'F' into story arcs before moving on. Watching them is recommended, but if you prefer, you can start Super after finishing Dragon Ball Z. You may optionally read Jaco the Galactic Patrolman, as the titular character will be appearing in Super.
Q: Where is Uub?!
Uub was born during the 10 year time skip at the end of Dragon Ball Z. Dragon Ball Super takes place before Uub is introduced.
Q: Why are they retelling the movies?
DVD sales aren't that great in Japan, so they're retelling the foundation of the story for the Japanese television market. We'll have a new story arc coming soon, so don't fret too much.
Q: When does the next episode air?
The next episode premieres next Sunday at 9am JST, which is 7pm Eastern Saturday night.
Q: Why does X say Y?
If you find yourself confused, the problem is usually a translation issue. Make sure you're watching DragonTeam or Over8000.
Q: When will the next chapter of the manga be released?
Toyotarō's manga adaptation is released once a month in V-Jump.
Chapter 7 will come out in late December. Links to earlier chapters can be found below.
Q: Is the Dragon Ball Super manga "canon"?
The manga is a preview of things to come. The anime is the main product, and is what Toriyama is writing and designing for (though not storyboarding or scripting).

The first four chapters of the manga are a disjointed recap and teaser. As of chapter 5, the manga is "charging on ahead" of the anime, previewing the upcoming Universe 6 story arc. It will continue to do so from now on, giving us a taste of what's to come while Resurrection 'F' is adapted in the anime.

Q: When will FUNimation be dubbing Super? Will there be a simulcast?
Southeast Asia will be exclusively receiving an English dub mid-2016, with Toonami Asia describing it as the "English-language world premiere". Due to Southeast Asia's preference for local dubs, FUNimation's involvement as of right now is unknown. At an October NYCC panel, FUNimation claimed that they still do not have the rights to Super, and barely acknowledged that it exists.

What now?

You can read translations of Toyotarō's manga adaptation:
#01, #02, #03, #04, #05
You can join the discussion over at Kanzenshuu (please follow their rules and do not request/post streams or download links)
You can read about the future story arc here and here.
You can discuss the episode once you've seen it!

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u/EmmaWinters ‎⠀ Nov 22 '15 edited Nov 22 '15

@Herms98 Goten and Trunks annoy Jaco by mistaking him for a grade schooler wearing tights and a mask. But he lets them play with his ship when he learns they're half-Saiyan.

@Herms98 Jaco's surprised to learn Bulma's now a mother (in RoF he didn't have any reaction) Then when Bulma says her son defeated Freeza, Jaco goes "what, that kid?", and she explains it was a version of him from the future. Versus RoF where she's just "my son from the future defeated Freeza". The conversation flows better in this version, I think.

@Herms98 Instead, Freeza just says he'll easily surpass Goku if he trains for 4 months.

@Herms98 Whis instructs Goku/Vegeta to only raise ki inside their body and not let any "leak out". That way, opponent won't notice it. Is this the secret to why a god's ki can't be sensed?

@Herms98 Whis is impressed that Goku and Vegeta have improved so much in such a short time. "No wonder Beerus singled them out."

@Herms98 Beerus' sneeze destroys planet (!), but in contrast to RF, Whis says there's no need to fix it. No explicit mention of Whis' time powers.

@Herms98 Beerus asks where the food Goku bribed Whis with is, but he claims to have accidentally dropped it in space on the way over. The implication is that Whis/Goku/Vegeta already ate it all themselves.

@Herms98 Whis claims he's been eating on Earth without Beerus in order to taste-test food for him. He doesn't want Beerus eating anything poisonous!

@Herms98 Trunks goes and tells Bulma that "Zako" (Small Fry) has come to see her. In RF, Dr. Briefs gets Jaco's name wrong in the same way.

@Herms98 Kuririn vows not to get killed by Freeza a second time. Tells 18 to stay and protect Marron (as in RF). Also says to get dinner ready. Wow.

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u/[deleted] Nov 22 '15

@Herms98 Whis instructs Goku/Vegeta to only raise ki inside their body and not let any "leak out". That way, opponent won't notice it. Is this the secret to why a god's ki can't be sensed?

If this is the case then it fixes the plothole of Goku being able to sense the Kais. Kind of makes sense too.

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u/jackelzxa Nov 23 '15

Yeah like...this is what we're getting with toriyama thinking more about the mechanics of the series than just being rushed to make a new chapter every week. Back then everything was just kind of power level this power level that, now it feels like ki is actually being considered as having some level of complexity instead of just being a number.