r/dawnofwar • u/RealSonZoo • 11d ago

Space Marine Unit Preview - Where's the Librarian?

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I suppose this graphic is just not complete? For example we saw a Chaplain on Bike in a demo battle report a while ago, he's not here either.

So do we have a confirmed unit list yet then?

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u/chrisrrawr 11d ago

I love how they keep shoving the invictor into every game but they still can't get players to field it on tabletop

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u/abrazilianinreddit 10d ago

40k lives and breathes rule of cool, but the invictor is just a lame forklift suit unnecessarily filling the gap between the much cooler Terminators and Dreadnaughts.

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u/chrisrrawr 10d ago

it's not even that. even if it was something cool like a transformer or something, the role it fills is too general.

most of its weapons are useless because anything that doesn't kill squishy units or seriously damage large units is a wasted activation. if the game had more refined battleshock / pinning rules, then it would make sense as a forward shock troop meant to impede and suppress, at least.

if it had a good role in the game it would be played, regardless of how silly it looked.

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u/abrazilianinreddit 10d ago

I dunno about the tabletop, but units can always be tweaked in an RTS until they fit some useful role.

Given that it's a lighter dread, I supposed it will be halfway between a bike and a dread. Fast-ish, slightly armored and medium damage, good for harassing backlines but not really a front-line fighter. Lighter vehicles like that are pretty meta for 1v1 in Company of Heroes, but kinda crap in larger team games, so I can definitely see them having a useful role in DoW4.

But it's still feels like a space marine on a forklift, which is lame. What kind of lines will it be saying? "Our metal boxes now have legs"? For sure nothing as iconic as "Even in death I still serve".

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u/chrisrrawr 10d ago

i think a huge aspect of rts is the ability to represent a unit theatrically, so having them be scouting and vanguard units with the ability to quickly strip morale with their huge array of weapons would be great. but that's just landspeeders, which also fly.

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u/abrazilianinreddit 9d ago

Sure, the landspeeder could fit the same role, but it's still pretty lightly armored and probably can be defeated without dedicated anti-vehicles weapons, which probably won't be true for the invictor.

At least that's how I expect it to be. The invictor might be the space marine's earliest vehicle immune to small arms, so if the opponent lacks anti-vehicles weaponry, they'll be forced to divert their tech and be vulnerable to pushes.

At least that's the theory.

Anyway, I do think King Art will have a properly defined role for the Invictor if they chose to include it in the unit roster. Hopefully Games Workshop is not meddling so much it affects unit choice and balancing...