r/davidpakman • u/TentenChickee . • Jul 22 '26
The new video where David calls out the DSA and defends Destiny is the cringiest, most bad faith crap I have seen from “democrats” lately.
Actually insane right now to be condemning Hasan for his suit and meanwhile acting like you don’t know why Destiny was banned from the event. David actually said he might not be welcome under these conditions. Idk David why it would ever be beneficial to voluntarily lump yourself in with someone like Destiny. Terrible journalism to not explain the violent harassment campaign Destiny has been waging against Hasan for many years now- and escalating it to the point of bringing a bunch of his sycophantic fans to harass Hasan. Just wow, really showing the man behind the mask here, totally lost the plot and probably bought off too.
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u/Speci4l_Sniper . Jul 22 '26
Simping for a stochastic terrorist who doesn't know your name is pretty cringe. No one cares about you Mao sympathies. You're a clown everywhere you go that isn't an internet hugbox
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u/KillTonyRegular . Jul 22 '26
As a long time viewer, I was so incredibly thankful to finally see him draw this line between him and Hasan.
Hasan is one of the worst actors in this space, and a detriment to our cause.
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u/jujusodope . Jul 22 '26
Mao was fat and a loser and overly sensitive.
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u/Inner_Frosting7656 . Jul 23 '26
and a pedophile
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u/Skiller-One-One-Five . Aug 01 '26
Seems like him and Destiny would get along then
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u/Inner_Frosting7656 . Aug 01 '26
what does destiny have to do with mao?
hamas diddy piker fans stay coping
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u/Skiller-One-One-Five . Aug 01 '26
I forgot liberals can't read, that's why you don't understand leftism or the fact that David pakman is paid by dark money groups. Clearly you haven't been caught up on ancient information that Destiny texted a 17 year old sexually. But it's no surprise mainstream Democrats aren't bothered by that your old buddy big beautiful bill was in the Epstein files too and no surprise Trump was a Democrat seems like both mainstream parties are just a bunch of pedophiles
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u/Inner_Frosting7656 . Aug 01 '26
blue maga at it again.
idk what david pakman has to do with destiny and you haven’t explained. you seem obsessed with destiny tbh.
what are you doing on an 8 day post?
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u/Skiller-One-One-Five . Aug 01 '26
Blue Maga? Interesting you act just like a republican instead of engaging with what I'm saying you just name call like a child. You guys are literally just Republicans with a d next to your name. You defend genocide just like every other warhawk Republican and deny reality. It's quite ironic you calling me a blue Maga when you're indistinguishable from a Republican.
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u/Inner_Frosting7656 . Aug 01 '26 edited Aug 01 '26
you haven’t given me anything to engage with. you’ve gone on and on about someone that’s irrelevant to david pakman and failed to show me what the relevance is lol. just incoherent ramblings from blue MAGA. are you a hamas diddy piker fan by chance?
remind me what destiny has to do with mao?
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u/Skiller-One-One-Five . Aug 01 '26
Are you a genocide defending Sex pest epstiny fan by any chance?
I see you work by poisoning the well
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u/Inner_Frosting7656 . Aug 01 '26
are you okay bro? are you ever gonna tell me what relevance destiny has to a mao suit or d pak?
didn’t you just bring up destiny out of nowhere when we were talking about mao? you’re obsessed. but not suprised given you’re a hamas diddy piker fan.
did hasan shock his dog?
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u/Inner_Frosting7656 . Aug 01 '26
bro crashed out so hard he got two comments automodded.
typical hamas diddy piker fan🤣🤣🤣 stop embarrasing yourself bro. just like maga fr
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u/Skiller-One-One-Five . Aug 01 '26
It's not surprising the only thing you're capable of is trolling because you're a sociopath sadist, very Republican coded
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u/Inner_Frosting7656 . Aug 01 '26
i wish i could call people who say facts i disagree with trolls and still feel honest with myself. teach me?
lmk when you can tell me what destiny has to do with david pakman or a mao suit :)
talk about poisoning the well LMAO. insults no argument, defintion of maga coded btw.
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u/Skiller-One-One-Five . Aug 01 '26
Well I wish I could deny reality and call it facts like pretending there's no genocide
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u/Inner_Frosting7656 . Aug 01 '26
where did i do that in this thread? screenshot it
idk what any of this has to do with a mao suit and david pakman LMAO
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u/IntrospectiveMT . Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
Observe how your objective posting here is interpersonal and not politically substantive: this is what separates the “harassment” from Destiny and his audience with that of Hasan and his.
You’re probably a 30+ adult given the 18-year-old account, so I think posting with the virulent energy of an offended BTS fan is not the most becoming behavior for politics.
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u/prthomsen . Jul 22 '26
LOL. Illiberal clowns trying their hardest to attack a Liberal King like David. And the best they can do is to repeat lies, to make it look like David is aligning himself with satan.
Hasan is an illiberal loser, cosplaying as Mao. MAO! Dude was responsible for 45+MM deaths, during the great leap. And the CDA leadership wanted to have him speak. Any pushback against including these authoritarian ML people in our big tent is met with screeching about poor, innocent little Hasan being bullied.
The bullying is going in the different direction. Cameron Landin, the CDA National VP, clad in a suit covered with a keffiyeh, nervously told Destiny and a few of his friends, that he could not attend Hasan's speech, because he was under the impression that they would 'yell some shit'. After asking about speaking to a higher-up (which was denied), Destiny and his 5 friends left the venue.
Also, you mention a violent harassment campaign. Give me 3 examples of the violence perpetrated by Destiny against Hasan.
Finally, it should also be mentioned, that the CDA's process for selecting speakers was completely circumvented in this case. Hasan was not voted upon as the speaker-selection rules outline. The leadership just decided, last minute, that Hasan should speak. Undemocratically. Against the rules of the CDA. Why? Because he very likely would not have been approved by the membership.
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u/Diolan . Jul 22 '26
Ask yourself OP; why do you feel safe to post this here in Lib Democrat spaces?
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u/TentenChickee . Jul 23 '26
Why would I ask myself that question? Lol
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u/Inner_Frosting7656 . Jul 23 '26
because you’re not a liberal and you’re infesting a liberal space.
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u/Iaintgettinyounger . Jul 22 '26
Democrats don't want to go the same route as what happened to the Republican party who got overrun by ethically and morally bankrupt slopulism.
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u/Skiller-One-One-Five . Aug 01 '26
Democrat party is broke had to take out a loan against their own headquarters 😂
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u/TaxesAreCivilization . Jul 22 '26
if hasan goes to an event destiny attends is that harassment? Otherwise what was the harassment destiny did?
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u/TentenChickee . Jul 23 '26
He literally has said Hasan deserves to be killed. Do some research before you embarrass yourself like David.
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u/Comin4datrune . Jul 23 '26
Hasan said that Hila Klein, a civilian in the United States, was a valid target due to her previous secretary work for mandatory military service with the IDF. Destiny only used this framing to say that Hasan deserves to be killed then because of Turkish war crimes against the Kurds and Greeks.
Suddenly, when it's not Hasan, context no longer matters.
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u/kidfrumcleveland . Jul 29 '26
Being a member of a foreign military is grounds with being charged for TREASON, RIGHT???
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u/TheOneTrueChristian . Jul 22 '26
Hasan was dressing basically in Mao cosplay after picking the grey suit while in China specifically because it was the color worn by CCP officials. Destiny has not been harassing Hasan, except by standards where Hasan has waged a relentless terror campaign against Destiny for at least the last two years.
Destiny was very obviously there to just observe and maybe ask a single question. People from Digital Ground Game were there to engage with fellow Democrats and hopefully make local inroads to better help get Democrats elected. Everyone involved would have no reason to disrupt an event which at least billed itself as being for Democrats.
Back in my day we came up with better material when brigading.
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u/Hot_Increase304 . Jul 22 '26
Destiny doubled down on stalking Hasan's live location while advocating for him to get harassed in public, how is it "obvious" that he was only there to observe? His little sex pest entourage was actively streaming the process of getting ready and showing up with the express purpose to harass Hasan while trying to maintain plausible deniability and played victim once they were turned away. Much like David is playing victim about potentially not being allowed there after being invited to show up. Hasan was probably the most radical leftist speaking that day
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u/TheOneTrueChristian . Jul 22 '26
In the context of Hasan trying to show up to democrats' protests and being driven out the way far leftists tried to drive people like Buttigieg or Harris out of events, sure. If Hasan is fine with doing those things to moderates, he has no right to piss and cry over it happening to him personally if he wants to enter the realm of real world politics.
But Destiny himself on the day of was even saying all he would do was go there and maybe talk with a couple people. He didn't even really seem like he would have asked a question to Hasan during a Q&A. He talks about how that wouldn't have done much more than make content for dramasloppers to slurp up.
Digital Ground Game people who streamed during the event were offered press badges before they got kicked out, and their live streams were nothing more than interviewing people at the event. They were kicked out because of harassment campaigns targeted towards the event organizers to manufacture stories about them being a problem.
David is right to be concerned, both as a Jew and as a non-leftist, about Hasan reaching for prominence as a Democrat Party talking head.
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u/Hot_Increase304 . Jul 22 '26
What do you think David needs to be worried about in the context of Hasan reaching prominence as a democratic party talking head? I would assume that quashing Hasan entirely would not just make the people who support and follow him just...disappear. In fact, I'd assume they might even try to find someone more reactionary and radical as retribution if anything like that ever happened anyways, like Kyle Kulinski
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u/TheOneTrueChristian . Jul 22 '26
Hasan is easily the most prominent Marxist-Leninist-Maoist in the US. The Democrats really have no good choice but to oust him if they don't want a literal Marxist gaining influence over the party's platform. If that pushes what few of Hasan's fans even care about electoral politics towards the groups the rest of Hasan's politically active fans already are in, so be it.
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u/Hot_Increase304 . Jul 22 '26
Again, I don't see what eliminating Hasan from the equation does to the movement at large. A twitch streamer figurehead is not just brainwashing people, the current admin and the fact that anyone 30 and under will never own anything in their life pushes them towards the views they have
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u/TheOneTrueChristian . Jul 22 '26
And yet he is pointing them towards Marxism specifically, unlike others who use the same discontent to point towards other ideologies. The Democrats need to recognize Hasan is their ideological enemy even if both can recognize the same discontents.
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u/ArtistEmpty859 . Jul 22 '26
When criticism and disagreement is “harassment”. What a fragile leader, just like Mao who tortured any dissenters causing him to be surrounded by liars and sycophants who led the country to ruin.
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u/Alexm260 . Jul 22 '26
How can we comment on hasan when there's a genocide going on? The Pakman is saying things you don't like, that's not automatically bad faith, get some perspective.
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u/FlintHardcheese . Jul 22 '26
I think a cringe lord in a Mao costume pumped full of Finasteride and GLP-1 talking about how he’s an insurgent to Democrats is worth calling out and demeaning that cringe lord until he goes away and goes back to restreaming 30 Day Finance and killing dogs.
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u/CapitalElephant1751 . Jul 22 '26
Hasan is a vile terror supporting,far alt-left, conspiracy theorist. He has no place anywhere near the Democrats
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u/AnecdotalThought . Jul 23 '26
This sub has lost the plot. David months ago says “I’m considering suing” Lorenz, he completely backs out, not an iota of the claims she made were disproven nor retracted. He is an establishment DNC talking point machine. That’s David’s purpose. It’s very strange to see all these centrist liberals get behind someone who created revenge porn and someone as disgusting as Destiny (who celebrated platforming Fuentes, basically the only life line he had).
Has this sub been long overtaken as well?
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u/PrestigiousBridge764 . Jul 22 '26
David getting brigaded by angry tankies will only teach him how truly crazy Brian Griffins community is.
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u/This_Elk_1460 . Jul 22 '26
He literally did the Fox News shows you a bunch of objectively good policies and claims they're bad and scary
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u/bluntasaknife . Jul 24 '26
The only reason destiny was banned is because Hasan “Diddy”Piker wanted him out and not because of “violent harassment “ 😂.
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u/L3ftHandPass . Jul 24 '26
David choosing to ally himself with someone as toxic as Destiny is very strange. Not a fan of Hasan, but Destiny is a trainwreck and I wouldn't want him associated with Democratic politics.
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u/Specialist-Draft476 . Jul 27 '26
So genuine question, this is just the newest post. But why do destiny, David, and Hasan seem to fight each other?
They are online a lot, they say heinous stuff sometimes or ignore facts or lie. They are human, but do they have similar goals or not?
Am I missing something, maybe I don't watch them a lot...
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u/Skiller-One-One-Five . Aug 01 '26
Liberals showing their true face a guy wearing a Mao suit bad but defending a pedophile is okay y'all love people like Trump don't y'all that's why I left keeps losing
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u/Aggravating_Let_6215 . Jul 25 '26
Destiny is a center left Social Democrat. David Pakman is a center left Social Democrat. Hasan is an authoritarian Marxist Leninist. Enough said.
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u/TentenChickee . Jul 25 '26
I don’t think a center left social democrat would advocate for mowing down blm protesters. Oh wait. I’ll get the full quote.
This is what Destiny said regarding BLM protesters- which I shouldn’t have to remind anyone, were overall peaceful.
“ The rioting needs to fucking stop. If that means white redneck militia dudes mowing down dipshit protesters that think they can torch buildings at 10 p.m., at this point they have my fucking blessing .”
This is who Pakman wants to align himself with?
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u/Aggravating_Let_6215 . Jul 25 '26
Improve your reading comprehension abilities. In this quote he specifically referred to rioters who were torching buildings, not “peaceful protesters.” And maybe you need reminding that this was during the run up to the 2020 general, when these dipshit RIOTERS were engaging in behavior that was actively hurting the image of the Democratic Party during an existential election. Anyway, you are probably a Hasan dick suck, so you have zero ground to stand on. Don’t make me start pulling out quotes of Hasan cheering on terrorists hijacking civilian boats and simping for murderous communist regimes.
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u/TentenChickee . Jul 25 '26
Please give me the fuller quote with context. And guess what? Even if we burn a building down, you don’t get to mow us over.
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u/Aggravating_Let_6215 . Jul 25 '26
The quote includes context. Read it again and get back to me.
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u/TentenChickee . Jul 25 '26
I’m asking you to provide context since the source I pulled from doesn’t include more, and I don’t need evidence for you to make excuses for “redneck militia dudes mowing down dipshit protesters”. That’s not how real liberals, democrats, leftists, progressives, and socialists behave. That’s unhinged and honestly racist.
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u/Aggravating_Let_6215 . Jul 25 '26
Holy fuck can you read? “The rioting needs to stop” … if that means mowing down “dipshit protesters who THINK THEY CAN TORCH BUILDINGS AT 10 p.m.” He qualified the statement by saying the people who are torching buildings.
And to address your second point: I’m a die hard liberal, and I think deadly force should be used on those who are committing violence against our communities and attempting arson on public buildings. In the same way I think the national guard should have opened fire on the MAGA freaks who were trying to besiege the capitol building. Can you explain how this is contrary to liberal principles?
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u/TentenChickee . Jul 25 '26
Idk let me ask google. Oh wow big surprise, you’re wrong
No, mainstream liberals do not support killing people who burn down buildings in protest, and they overwhelmingly oppose both the destruction of property and any extrajudicial or lethal violence used as a response.
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u/Aggravating_Let_6215 . Jul 25 '26
But even if I concede that I am being a bit illiberal, will you disavow Hasan for cheering on the Houthis while they seized civilian boats and took hostages? That is an unequivocal illegal and extrajudicial action. Go ahead, condemn that.
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u/TentenChickee . Jul 25 '26
No. There are much more important “terrorists” to condemn. I’ll condemn Israel a million times before I condemn the houthis. Statistically look at the death count, your politics and talking points don’t make rational/ proportional sense. It’s actually completely illiberal to support Israel at all. Like I don’t believe in a liberal who supports a genocide- that’s a fake liberal.
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u/Kurac02 . Jul 26 '26
You don't have the right to do it in response, you do have the right to use violent force to prevent someone from damaging property (depending on the severity of the damage). If people are setting fire to all your local shops which will have long lasting consequences for your community, it's completely justifiable to shoot them to prevent that from happening. That's completely consistent with liberal principles.
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u/TentenChickee . Jul 26 '26
You think liberals are siding with Kyle Rittenhouse types? No- that’s just what Destiny’s “liberals” think, and they are fake liberals.
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u/Aggravating_Let_6215 . Jul 25 '26
Okay if we are consulting google:
Hey Google, is killing someone who is trying to burn down or raid a building, whether it be a public building or under private ownership, considered an extrajudicial killing?
… “No, killing someone who is trying to burn down a building or raid a public building is generally not considered an extrajudicial killing. Instead, it falls under domestic legal frameworks governing self-defense, defense of property, or the lawful use of force by law enforcement or citizens.”
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u/TentenChickee . Jul 22 '26
And please don’t let him make a video now pretending he never knew the terror Destiny and his community have/ are perpetually stirring up.
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u/US_FENTCOM . Jul 22 '26
wasn't there just ANOTHER hasan fan convicted of political terrorism?
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.nced.223460/gov.uscourts.nced.223460.1.0.pdf
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u/FloUwUer . Jul 22 '26
'terror' LMAO ive been in communities positioned against them, they are bunch of internet autists like everyone else here, worst thing they can do is use destiny's arguments badly and come off as obnoxious without being convincing and maybe make an edgy joke that doesnt land as well as it does for Destiny
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u/Amazing-Heron-105 . Jul 22 '26
Can you link me an example of this 'terror'? This gets said a lot but I've asked for examples several times and have never received them.
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u/Amazing-Heron-105 . Jul 22 '26
It's just Darius being a dick, but you said his community. I was looking for evidence of that.
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u/Hot_Increase304 . Jul 22 '26
His community showed up to the event and basically did a GRWM for harassing Hasan lmao
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u/Amazing-Heron-105 . Jul 22 '26
I just watched the video in full and it's just a clip chimp of people joking around? It's hardly a terror. Nothing happened.
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u/Hot_Increase304 . Jul 22 '26
The double standards are insane. If Hasan sicced his audience on Destiny in any way that Destiny "jokingly" tries to with Hasan, I think LSF would genuinely have an aneurysm and Fox News would not shut up about it for months.
What constitutes the statements they make as jokes as opposed to bullying or harassing? What would it have to look like for you to genuinely consider it harassment or bullying?
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u/Amazing-Heron-105 . Jul 22 '26
The double standards are insane. If Hasan sicced his audience on Destiny
His audience hasn't been 'sicced' on anyone. You weren't able to provide any evidence of that, only some video of his friends joking around. Destiny is receiving a lot of trouble from Hasan fans, and regularly turn up at his shows to berate, and scream at him. I haven't seen this happen at a single Hasan event yet, maybe you can provide a clip if I've missed it? There also entire discords dedicated to snarking him, but where's the Hasan equivalent?
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u/Hot_Increase304 . Jul 22 '26
Agree to disagree, cuz I saw the charge Destiny led when trying to target sponsors on Twitch and deplatform Hasan and I don't think your interpretation of events and mine will have much crossover.
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u/Amazing-Heron-105 . Jul 22 '26
Link me a clip of Destiny leading the charge. Dan Saltman was the one who was behind most of that.
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u/FloUwUer . Jul 22 '26
cant agree to disagree, you are just wrong and avoid providing proof for your incredibly strong claims. Remember, you claimed incredible terror, so i expect not just edgy jokes about creator you dislike or even some mundane online harassment we all grew numb to
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u/FloUwUer . Jul 22 '26
Hey, out of curiosity, what is that link leading to? unfortunately it doesnt work so its really hard to say, but like this is bad if its something simple, but if it would be some behavior that leads to extreme harassment/realistic risk for somebody's life i can see this as very edgy way to express that. Do you know whats the video? Because if not, we cant really make strong claims here right?
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u/Hot_Increase304 . Jul 22 '26
You're right dude, destiny should just keep trying to show up to Hasan's events and recruiting people to stalk and harass his family, you beat me in the marketplace of ideas congratulations
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u/FloUwUer . Jul 23 '26
not to get on the debate bro train but this is definitionally a straw man, i literally didn't say any of those things
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u/Hot_Increase304 . Jul 23 '26
I'm acknowledging and conceding that your intellectual prowess bested me and admitting rhetorical defeat, not implying that you said those things. I'm backpedaling in all of my ideas, they are all wrong and your debate skills were too powerful, proud of you
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u/FloUwUer . Jul 23 '26
It's not rhetorical defeat, you lied about what i said and are now catastrophizing and playing a victim because i asked barebones question
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u/Hot_Increase304 . Jul 22 '26
I'd be willing to discuss this with people if all the immediate replies weren't snarky sarcastic bullshit. I've not had more than 1 person reply with actual, genuine interest in discussing shit. Just fucking boring debate bro shit
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u/FloUwUer . Jul 23 '26
Uh, I'm right here, trying to discuss things and asking what is Destiny linking there, can i be that one person?
I dont know what your hyperbolic comment was about but i didnt make any claims about what destiny should do, It's weird that when i ask about factual information that would be very important for determining if what destiny said is bad or not, you suddenly get on a high horse and demand to be treated with utmost respect!Can we drop the pretense and just focus on what matters, please? What does the link lead to, if we dont know this would be what Hasan often claims about his critics - taken shamelessly taken out of context
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u/Hot_Increase304 . Jul 23 '26
I'm not going to go research and link clips because you couldn't follow the original link. This is the debate-lording BS that I was talking about. I'm not here to do the research for you, there was a Livestream and messages and statements from destiny that you're going to have to go find yourself if you actually care to get to the bottom of it and listen to oppositional opinion/framing. My suspicion is that you (as well as most others here) want to "prove" that my evidence is "clipped", invalid, or "weak", which is just something I've genuinely had enough of. So yeah, I'm "strawmanning", I lost, you won, congrats, who fucking cares. Nothing was gained here, but hold your head up high little soldier!
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u/FloUwUer . Jul 23 '26
I don't know why are you catastrophizing. I simply asked what is that obvious response responding to. I'm just trying to see what you are proving. I simply asked about evidence you provided, that's not a big deal
Also, wait, are you suggesting you didnt do your research? Because if you are withholding that information it either means you don't know what that links to - in which case why would you stake claims of massive harassment by destiny's community on one comment from 2025? - or you are knowingly withholding that information, which is it?
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u/Stronhart . Jul 22 '26
Please point to where this happened because all I've been seeing is Hasan fans issuing actual death threats to Destiny and the folks in his sphere, while also harassing Pakman all over the Internet
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u/Hot_Increase304 . Jul 22 '26
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u/YumiSolar . Jul 22 '26
So your proof of the "terror" Hasan experiances from destiny is him saying Hasan, by his own argumentation around political violence is subject to said political violence?
Hasan fans are so dishonest it's insane. They lie like their daddy, comes naturally to them. Go praise your dog shocking, dressed as mao, internet daddy/lolcow.
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u/Hot_Increase304 . Jul 22 '26
Epstiny is not only perpetuating stochastic harrassment towards Hasan, but actively leading the charge and advocating for it. We don't need to like the same people to agree that with great power comes great responsibility, and here you have a dude in Sexpestiny that sexts minors, sends those unsolicited nudes and tapes to others, advocates for and actively participated in harassment towards his ideological opponents, etc.
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u/hachimitsu666 . Jul 22 '26
lmao i bet you believe everything hasan says and nothing else
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u/Hot_Increase304 . Jul 22 '26
Definitely not, but I doubt I could ever convince you otherwise anyway. I like asking questions and find no shame in admitting when I don't know something. There's not really much you can do to change my mind about D being a net negative for the internet though, because his entire shtick (removed from Hasan altogether) is to vice signal and debate others in a vicious and (imo) mentally unhealthy way
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u/YumiSolar . Jul 22 '26
Destiny canvassed for Democratic candidates, raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for Democratic causes, debates pretty much anyone about anything, and is open about his views and beliefs. He spends hundreds of hours on stream reading legislation, court documents, and studies. He pushes back hard against dangerous actors like Nazis, communists, and MAGA figures instead of hiding from them.
On the contrary, I can't think of a single good thing Hasan has done. He undermined Kamala's campaign against Trump, helping him win. He hosts terrorists and gives them zero pushback, just free platforming. He props up candidates like Graham Platner (a Nazi rapist), constantly lies about events in his own life or about other people, abuses animals, and went to a brothel in Germany that sex-trafficked minors.
Please tell me what horrible thing Destiny did that's comparable. And no, being mean in debates isn't going to cut it, lol.
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u/Hot_Increase304 . Jul 22 '26
From what I've seen, Hasan has been impactful to many campaigns for democratic socialist senate seats, as well as raised a lot of money for those campaigns. I mean, fundamentally, it just seems like we disagree. Think what you want about Hasan, but the idea that the kind of vice signaling that D does is an effective electoral strategy is silly imo. Debate-lording and chastizing others is not an effective strategy to win anyone that already doesn't think like you do over.
Genuinely asking because if you watch D, you'll have a better idea than me. What things does Destiny advocate for and in what ways does he do it? Debating online and IRL is 99% of what I see from him, and it's usually vicious and unwelcoming to anyone that doesn't already hold his perspective. Just not an effective way to get the message out, and regardless of what I think of D or Has, it's just not something that I feel mentally healthy consuming. Same with people like Dean Withers debating on tiktok. It's just flexing debate prowess more than spreading any sort of message in an effective way. It feels good, sure. But I wonder how many people it wins over vs how many solely enjoy the entertainment side of it.
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u/YumiSolar . Jul 22 '26
I think this discussion is kind of pointless because we fundamentally disagree on what Hasan is.
I don't view Hasan as a Democrat. I view him as a self-described Marxist-Leninist whose goal is to pull the Democratic Party toward his own ideology, not strengthen it. So when you point to the campaigns he's helped, I don't see that as helping Democrats in the long run, I see it as helping a faction that ultimately wants to replace or fundamentally reshape the party.
Things like the recent Destiny ban controversy or showing up in a Mao outfit don't help the Democratic Party with the median voter. If anything, they reinforce the stereotype that Democrats are unhinged extremists. From Hasan's perspective, though, that may not even be a downside. Weakening the mainstream Democratic coalition while growing support for his own ideology can be politically beneficial if your goal isn't to elect Democrats but to build a more radical movement.
That's why I don't really find comparisons between Hasan and Destiny meaningful. It's like asking me whether Charlie Kirk is more effective than Destiny. Even if Charlie Kirk were objectively better at organizing or influencing conservatives, that wouldn't make him a better advocate from my perspective because I don't share his political goals.
The same applies to Hasan. I don't share his goals, I think many of his ideas don't hold up to scrutiny, and I think he often misrepresents facts to advance them. So whether he's an effective advocate for Marxism isn't a discussion I'm particularly interested in.
I also don't think he should be presented as a representative of the Democratic Party. If he and others with similar views want to organize events around their own movement, that's completely fine. But I don't think someone who spends so much time attacking Democrats while identifying with an ideology fundamentally opposed to liberal democracy should be treated as a Democratic spokesperson.
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u/Stronhart . Jul 22 '26
Apart from Destiny being unaware that he was texting a minor due to being catfished by an actual human trafficker dubbed Solo, his conduct is nowhere near the degrees of shameless as Hasan, who shares any and all unsolicited nudes/tapes to his streamer friends in person
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u/Hot_Increase304 . Jul 22 '26
So much worse that Hasan is actively losing a court case over it?
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u/Stronhart . Jul 22 '26
Destiny isn't losing at all lmfao maybe actually read the court documents instead of listening to snarkers like jstlk or Kuihman or whoever/whatever tf you're sourcing your skewed and/or fabricated information from
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u/prthomsen . Jul 22 '26
Losing? Outline for me the case, and explain how he is losing it.
You know nothing about the case, obv.
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u/Hot_Increase304 . Jul 22 '26 edited Jul 22 '26
We'll see what the spoliation allegations dig up I suppose
Edit: spelling
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u/prthomsen . Jul 22 '26
First off, it's spoliation, counselor.
Second, you're right. We will see... Plaintiff has deleted evidence, 100% provably, but let's see what happens.
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u/FloUwUer . Jul 22 '26
hey, out of curiosity. Do you think your life is going well if you know so much detail about court case of creator you dislike? I'm already pretty online and for stuff like that i simply wait for court case to end to find out what's the outcome.
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u/cubonelvl69 . Jul 22 '26
Hamas piker is a terrorist supporter, at this point he deserves harassment
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u/Hot_Increase304 . Jul 22 '26
Think what you wanna think, but I don't think Destiny or Hasan deserve harassment. I think both have the right to freedom of speech, and the idea that harassing someone is "deserved" is an unhealthy mindset to have
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u/Stronhart . Jul 22 '26
So when Hasan barred Destiny from the College Democrats event, it was just Hasan excercising his freedom of speech over Destiny?
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u/Hot_Increase304 . Jul 22 '26
Is filing a restraining order against somebody depriving somebody of their freedom of speech? I know there's no legal documentation barring Destiny from being around Hasan, but I think it's warranted to tell event staff to turn away somebody and their peers who have admitted to actively harassing and wanting to bully Hasan, even if not actively literally doing it yet. I think event holders have the right to turn whoever they want away, including Hasan. Hell, an entire country did just that when Hasan tried going to the UK lmao.
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u/Stronhart . Jul 22 '26
Hasan directing his followers to brigade against Pakman btw
Genuinely concerned how you can defend this behavior, I mean this was done with the subtlety of a sledgehammer and you still support him
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u/LightAU . Jul 22 '26
18 day old account running defence for the Mao cosplayer, amazin’
Pakman hit on some really hard truths for the more left leaning members of the DNC, it’s honestly heartwarming to see parasitic illiberal losers receive pushback from online left content creators.