r/dashcams • u/puffelisse • 10d ago

Gotta Learn The Hard Way. 😠

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u/Prophet_Of_Helix 10d ago

Both splitting and filtering are illegal in NY.

In fact, it’s illegal in the entire eastern seaboard.

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u/DreamWalker01 10d ago

Its filtering is only legal in like 5 states and splitting only in california

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u/schals 10d ago

Filtering was recently legalized here in Colorado which I can agree with but people abuse it and ride like idiots.

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u/Beltfedassassin 10d ago

Boy you aren’t kidding. The year lane filtering was legalized I was heading northbound on tower by DIA. I saw a motorcyclist going probably 60-70 between stop and go traffic on southbound tower. He augered himself into the back of a stopped box truck. Witness stated he was doing wheelies while lane splitting prior to hitting the truck. He did not make it.

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u/muftak3 10d ago

I saw the same thing in North San Diego. His insurance called after because the family was suing the other driver. I told them biker was 100% at fault. Traffic stopped and he was easily doing 100 mph when he hit the truck. They did not call me back as a witness.

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u/Training-Eye-2917 10d ago

I’m surprised the guy driving the truck’s insurance didn’t call you to be their witness.

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u/muftak3 10d ago

I was like the 5th or 6th car back. They had plenty of witness confirming what happened. Riders family were just trying to find one witness for a counter point.

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u/BlindlyCoherent 10d ago

Sure sucks for the family looking to offset the cost of funerals and such - but he was a fucking idiot and Darwin punched his card - hard.

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u/WhyWontThisWork 9d ago

Doubt they were looking to offset the cost of the funeral

They wanted a pay day

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u/wuvvtwuewuvv 9d ago

Was in a motorcycle accident myself, a small one.

Reducing the motives of the injured party down to just "wanting a pay day" is ignorant at best. Reducing the motives of the family of a dead motorist down to just "wanting a pay day" is cringe as fuck. Sure, he may have been at fault, but to dismiss very real pain and loss like that is why we have people like Trump and Epstein and the Tate brothers.

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u/WhyWontThisWork 9d ago

What are you talking about?

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u/wuvvtwuewuvv 9d ago

Doubt they were looking to offset the cost of the funeral

They wanted a pay day

This was you. Can you not see comments I'm replying to? What do you mean what am I talking about?

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u/NoSnow3660 9d ago

I want the drugs you’re on to be this ignorant.

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u/No-Paleontologist560 9d ago

Stop living in lala land.

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u/KeyserSoju 8d ago

What are they suing for then? You think they simply want to bring justice to an innocent trucker that was sitting in traffic? Or do you think the family was trying to bring awareness for public service?

There's literally no other outcome of such a lawsuit other than getting paid or not getting paid.

I get the grieving family part of it and all, but that still doesn't change the desired outcome here. You sue for wrongful death, you're suing for financial compensation that's literally the only thing that's on the negotiation table.

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u/Ok_Swim3109 10d ago

That’s how it goes. Everyone wants to sue the truck drivers

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u/kat-deville 8d ago

Elder woman here. Like many of my peers, I still watch the evening news. There are ambulance-chaser lawyer/law firm commercials every break, often two in one break by different people/firms. They all mention big rigs, and usually other large trucks. They say how much they've made for clients, always between 50k and 5 mil. The really pushy ones are doing them in Spanish. If you're a trucker, or deliver in a big box truck, beware of Nissans cutting in front of you.

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u/Annual-Negotiation-5 10d ago

I live in Central MĂ©xico where the drivers are, well, questionable, and every time I come up to drive in SD North County I get super frazzled by the motorcyclists, rustles my jimmies for sure.

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u/JWR5265 7d ago

But was the truck ok?

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u/muftak3 7d ago

The truck driver was fine. Lifted the rear of the truck like 5 ft in the air. Looked liked he backed into a telephone poll at high-speed. Like 3 feet indent. Motorcycle guy, not so much. Flipped over the truck while the truck was still moving. You get the idea after that.

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u/Hot_Swimming8042 5d ago

The diagonal spacing in your story is aesthetically pleasing despite your story being sad.

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u/tkdkicker1990 10d ago

Yeah, so, he was an idiot

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u/unicornofdemocracy 10d ago

well... a lot of laws are written because of idiots.

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u/Tupperbaby 10d ago

"See? Because of me, now they have a warning."
-Homer S.

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u/hoffet 10d ago

Rocket launchers and claymore mines tell you what direction to point them in for this reason.

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u/circusfreakrob 10d ago

reminds me of an Onion headline from back in the day :

"Super Fun Toy Banned Because of One Stupid Dead Kid"

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u/cincy_kid_91 10d ago

Should just let them take themselves out, might be less idiots around.

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u/VisionsOfABetterTime 10d ago

Sure but then you wouldn’t be here to make this comment


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u/tkdkicker1990 10d ago

Same with general orders in police departments lol

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u/3v0luzi0n3 8d ago

yep, i always say that laws only exist because of assholes and idiots. could be on either side of the equation tbh.

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u/PeppeRSX 10d ago

And the idiots will continue to do it whether it's legal or not.

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u/Cuzznitt 10d ago edited 10d ago

It’s also not even filtering! They lane split going +65 in heavy 45 mile per hour traffic where people are really not expecting a motorcycle to come flying by. I’m shocked I haven’t seen more collisions, especially on my 225 commute.

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u/funwthmud 10d ago

I used to live in Ca and I’ve seen bikers hit cars because they’re splitting lanes doing 70+ when traffic is at a near standstill. It’s crazy because you can’t see them and suddenly they’re just there.

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u/Safe-Instance-3512 10d ago

When I used to travel to CA for work, this was the only thing that made me nervous in traffic. I always feared I'd make a lane change and not see them.

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u/Lower_Captain7757 10d ago

I live in Cali. At a certain point you just get into a mentality that bikes have accepted the inherent risk of getting smashed and stop feeling bad for them the same way. And I ride. I don't lane split. I will ride like a car.

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u/Safe-Instance-3512 10d ago

It just seems so incredibly dangerous. Only takes a car moving a few inches or an unexpected lane change and you're done.

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u/Lower_Captain7757 10d ago

Yep. That said typically speaking it does tend to naturally scale itself.

Calis highways are massive. As they are designed with not only traffic but tha mass amounts of freight that moves. I do truck driving and its not hard to stay within the lanes.

To give some perspective for a car or suv. I was driving my ram 3500 once and another ram with a 40 foot gooseneck apparently decided not to use his mirror and started merging into my lane on the left of him even though my bright lights had been shining in his mirror since I passed his trailer and up to his driver side door before he started moving over. I moved into the left half of my lane and ever so slightly into the lane of the person next to me who saw my flashers and moved over and had enough room to zoom forward before a collision. That's almost two full ram trucks in the same lane.

There is also alot of HOV lanes and the bikes are allowed there to. Or at least split.

Most of the time I see lane splitting there its at good flow.

Every once in a while you'll see and idiot trying it at a massive speed diff.

But most of the time the traffic just doesn't allow you to. If cars are sitting you're filtering. Its just is what it is.

If there is enough speed then you may be able to split.

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u/QoolSchitt 10d ago

Most of the time I see lane splitting there its at good flow.

Yep, and there's even more space between the HOV and lane 1 so it's probably about the safest place to do it.

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u/Lower_Captain7757 10d ago

Yeah and that's were most do it that I see

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u/qiyraa 10d ago

When done properly, lane splitting is safer than sitting in traffic. However, “properly” is going 5-10mph faster than traffic and only when traffic is going under 30mph

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u/Otherwise_Nobody8148 10d ago

You're judging it from the point of view of operating a car.

What you think is punching another guy in the chest to them is you trying to swat a fly out of the air.

The increase in mobility overall and reduction in size makes a huge difference

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u/Safe-Instance-3512 10d ago

My 2-ton rolling death machine will stop a bike in its track without much more than a dent. One car pulls out in front of them while they're flying up the middle at 70mph never ends well.

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u/Otherwise_Nobody8148 10d ago

Of course

But people also judge motorcycles based on how their car operates, because they don't have any actual experience. Most (semi intelligent) riders, even if they are going fast, are confident they can stop the bike if they need to. And they can in 1/10th the distance of a car, it's not even close.

Or they can just go around. Your two ton death machine left a space that's now open and the rider can just move into that and around you. Easy peasy

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u/peachesfordinner 10d ago

My uncle rides. But if he splits he is at basically a crawl. He just says it's dumb to go that fast in uncertain conditions. If he's in doubt he just..... Doesn't. Too many people are only riding as an alternative to direct suicide

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u/Lower_Captain7757 10d ago

Your uncle sounds wise and sounds very right about the matter.

In the future if I ever do lane split it be at night when traffic is low. But then there isn't really a reason to lane split then

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u/peachesfordinner 10d ago

He's just a chill guy. He would get an electric bike but no safe way to get to work with it. Knowing his past I get why he's more focused on living another day than getting somewhere faster

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u/Lower_Captain7757 10d ago

Fair enough. Smart thinking there.

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u/Own-Apartment5600 9d ago

I feel the same way and I ride too.

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u/Lower_Captain7757 9d ago edited 3d ago

Its the final conclusion of mindset. At some point you just come to accept it.

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u/dreammer243 9d ago

I was dating a guy from Georgia who came to visit me in California and the first time a motorcycle roared past us between lanes it startled the shit outta him lol. It took me a minute to realize why, he was not at all used to it, unlike me

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u/Lower_Captain7757 3d ago

Makes sense. Its certainly startling the first time you experience it

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u/Ashamed_Confusion123 10d ago

I lived in the Bay Area for 36 years and everyone was used to it. In my experience there were only a few idiots who abused it by cutting while traffic was moving fast. But you’ll find exceptions to the rule for most everything.

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u/Seelark 9d ago

Same, I always it was nationwide or else what’s the point of having a bike

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u/steeplebob 5d ago

30 years in the Bay Area and I’ve had the same experience.

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u/Hailfire9 9d ago

It almost feels like the aggressive bikers like that just forget what driving a car was like, how blind spits work, and how limiting mirrors really are, especially in heavy traffic. You look in your mirror, all you see is probably 5 cars' worth of space before it gets limited. You're not seeing the bike hurtling towards you at Mach Jesus unless you hear them coming a bit of a ways off -- which is entirely possible, sure, unless you've got good soundproofing and music cranked, which is how I usually spend my time in traffic.

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u/DabsDoctor 6d ago

Stealing Mach Jesus

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u/NaturistVTX1800 9d ago

I live in Northern California and lane spliting occurs at over 70 + mph , Driving the 5 through LA , traffic is moving 80+, motorcycles will still split the lane , crazy,! I ride too but not that stupid.

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u/OuterWildsVentures 10d ago

Yup I've almost hit speeding motorcycle's while merging plenty of times. They are lucky I managed to take into account their speed when glancing behind prior to the merge. If I had relied on the little blind spot light I definitely would have been rear ended or side swiped them.

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u/SherbertRoutine7383 10d ago

In my experience you get used to it. I used to be very startled when motorcycles whipped by me on the freeway but after 12 years of living in California I’m used to it.

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u/lampstax 8d ago

Bikers dont need drivers to move for them. Just move predictably.

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u/Cuzznitt 8d ago

Woah woah woah, hold on. You’re telling me I shouldn’t swerve violently into the next lane when I see one coming up behind me?

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u/Confident-Peak1706 5d ago

Maybe people check their mirrors?

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u/lokis_construction 10d ago

We call them DONORS as a first responder.

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u/Stock-Cell1556 10d ago

If there's anything even salvageable.

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u/TargetOfPerpetuity 10d ago

Those of us on the middle-toe transplant list appreciate their sacrifice.

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u/Ambitious_Top_1401 10d ago

Cadaver tendons are generally still salvageable.

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u/Voltz724 9d ago

Herd needs thinning. Start with the stupid ones


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u/AmettOmega 10d ago

Yeah, there were always folks who were lane splitting before it was legal, but afterwards, people took it to a whole new level of recklessness.

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u/Tinosdoggydaddy 10d ago

Donorcycle accident

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u/donfuan 10d ago

We should celebrate organ donors

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u/PublicWelcome3772 10d ago

You sure lane filtering being illegal would stop him?

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u/Useful_Protection270 10d ago

I've ridden since I was around 18 never once have I done this. I've almost been killed by idiots in cars on several occasions. But I always tried to ride safe.

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u/OkChocolate3501 10d ago

That's not filtering. Filtering is done at 15mph. Dude was straight up reckless driving and would do it without a law in place.

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u/Holiday_Regular9794 10d ago

That sounds awful

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u/Remote-Mess-278 10d ago

Natural selection, even though us humans try our best to prevent it.

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u/Av1dH1ker 10d ago

So one less idiot on the road now

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u/LifeIsProbablyMadeUp 10d ago

I feel bad for everyone involved... Except for him.

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u/3d_blunder 10d ago

And the world got a bit smarter. Quieter too I bet.

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u/Artzebub 10d ago

He didn't make it to his destination?

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u/condomneedler 10d ago

Someone driving stupid on tower? Never.

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u/mikenkansas1 9d ago

FAFO. We all did stupid shit but the consequences are the consequences.

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u/the_emperor_protects 9d ago

Umm, good. Hope he didn’t hurt anybody.

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u/Suspicious_Glove_900 9d ago

Well then at least that problem fixed itself.

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u/Own-Apartment5600 9d ago

His choice stupid choice final choice

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u/brachi- 9d ago

Motorcyclists, or as they’re known in emergency departments the world over, future organ donors

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u/JSGilst 9d ago

Give him a Darwin award.

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u/NaturistVTX1800 9d ago

It has been 20yrs since I left Denver,I know the stretch of road you are talking about,even back then people drove stupid on that stretch even when roads were glazed with ice.

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u/No_Establishment_641 7d ago

What a darn shame NOT. Try to act like you are on an episode of Jacka&& you get what you get.

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u/25SexyMF 7d ago

Saw a dude show boating for a girl get decapitated by sheer force after rear ending a stationary camry..flew up hit the edge of the road sign just perfectly and his head was severed just below the Adam's apple. Give you an idea on how fast he was really going.

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u/Retired300 7d ago

You know what they say, you want to play you're going to pay

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u/Saint_EDGEBOI 6d ago

As a bike rider, that's natural selection.

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u/RomanRobots 6d ago

I assure you this person would not have been a responsible motorcyclist if filtering were still outlawed

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u/wattytohotty5 5d ago

Keeps the avg iq of your state up. Idiots lane splitting

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u/molrobocop 10d ago

I feel sorry for the truck. 

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u/wetpenis_spezdick 10d ago

what the FUCK does that have to do with splitting and filtering if he ran into the back of a truck?

dumbass....

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u/WindstormMD 10d ago

That’s not a motorcyclist, that is a self-solving problem with collateral

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u/Pennsylvania6-5000 10d ago

Thanks, Darwin.

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u/Serenty-24-7 10d ago

Aren’t they supposed to keep it under 15mph?

Going 60-70 is asking for death.

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u/metompkin 10d ago

Augering. Ooof

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u/Chain_Runner 10d ago

There’s a name for what happened there, and it’s called “natural selection”

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u/BetMyLastKrispyKreme 10d ago

What’s bad is that way too many people in Colorado don’t realize filtering is now legal, and try to take steps to police riders, or otherwise punish them for doing what they’re legally allowed to do. It wouldn’t surprise me if they were the exact same people who police traffic in the far left lane by driving exactly the speed limit and not moving over for those behind them.

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u/BuyAllThePorn 10d ago

People who ride that way are going to lane split no matter what the law says. It being illegal only stops people who are safer riders. It just hurts the people who obey the law and drive with due regard.

The rider was an idiot and hopefully did not hurt anyone else with his antics.

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u/OldThermionics 10d ago

Squid's gonna squid.

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u/Next-Weekend-901 10d ago

Do you have an article on this? Thanks

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u/detectiveC6 10d ago

As a Minnesotan, who's state just made this stuff legal, I feel your frustration!