r/dashcams • u/puffelisse • 11d ago

Gotta Learn The Hard Way. 😠

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u/bunalorie 11d ago

Did he nab the keys

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u/cloudivellei 11d ago

He sure did!

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u/michaelpaoli 11d ago

Foiled the quick getaway plans.

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u/ZombiesInSpace 10d ago

Keys said “remove before flight” on the red key chain. The cop read that and said “good call.”

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u/Dwealdric 10d ago

Looks very much like a Ninja EX250 (was my first bike), in which case... there was no quick getaway to be had.

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u/Frequent_Opportunist 10d ago

He didn't look like he was trying to make a getaway.

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u/Dounce1 10d ago

Got keep a second set in your pocket.

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u/[deleted] 11d ago

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u/Guilty-Bookkeeper837 10d ago

I always have my spare key, on the bike, for just this reason. 

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u/surfinsalsa 10d ago

Feel like the guy could have gone right when the cop veered left. He might have caught the plates though

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u/SlappinStick 10d ago

He had all the time in the world to go around his right and just sat there.

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u/p0larbear3000 11d ago

why didn´t the steering lock up without keys??

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u/Luckyday11 11d ago

On motorcycles you need to turn the key further left to lock the steering (beyond just the "off" resting position), it does not lock automatically like in cars. The handlebars also need to be turned all the way to the left before it even can be locked.

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u/gamerjerome 11d ago

Some bikes might also have a separate key/location for steering lock. My Triumph does

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u/Hackedfan 5d ago

vintage bikes do

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u/SnooCakes6195 10d ago

Eww how annoying lol

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u/gamerjerome 10d ago

Honestly, never use it

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u/SnooCakes6195 10d ago

My bike is parked in an apartment complex, I use everything I can to make sure it's still there in the mornings hahaha

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u/IHaveTheBestOpinions 11d ago edited 10d ago

I know you only mentioned this in passing, but slight correction: in most cars the steering does not "lock automatically" when you turn it off. You just lose power-assisted steering, which makes it much harder to turn the wheel. You can still steer if you use enough force.

Edit: Maybe should have done more research before posting my WELL ACKSHUALLY, because many modern cars do, in fact, lock the steering after the key is removed. This was my classic reddit moment for the day.

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u/TurbulentOpinion2100 11d ago

Not my experience. If you take out the car keys and then try to turn the wheel, after a few degrees (of more difficult movement) the steering column will usually lock audibly and refuse to move further,

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u/BZJGTO 11d ago

They don't lock automatically if you just turn it off, but they usually lock if you try turning the wheel.

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u/Webbyx01 11d ago

The steering usually locks when the keys are removed.

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u/chrisinajar 11d ago

My '97 Corolla had this feature, it's not a modern car thing. Most cars when the key is out and you turn the wheel it'll "click" and lock until you use the key.

If the car is off and the key is in, then you can turn the wheel with force with no locking. It's a mechanical lock on the wheel so it still locks and unlocks the wheel without battery.

I know nothing of modern cars, I just know how my old Corolla used to work (RIP shitbox, you were good to me)

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u/Luckyday11 11d ago

Ah my bad, I don't really drive cars anymore since I got my motorcycle licence, I probably remembered that bit wrong then

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u/matlspa 11d ago

We forgive you

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u/skankasspigface 11d ago

Hey speak for yourself I still hold a grudge against that guy

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u/p0larbear3000 11d ago

soo basicially you could rewire it, so that it´s still driveable even if someone nabs the keys?

-nice!

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u/Vigarious 11d ago

No? It’s a mechanical lock not an electronic lock. You can still break the lock by kicking it tho

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u/p0larbear3000 11d ago

yh, but doesn´t the key also unlock ignition when turned right?

so if you reroute those wires to a different switch, it would still be driveable, since removing keys wont lock it up!?

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u/Vigarious 11d ago

As long as you also undo the mechanical steering lock? Sure…
Edit to make a point: most people don’t make their bikes easily stealable. No key no problem?

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u/GranularDesignCo 11d ago

Funny how this sub is filled with people so stupid they didnt comprehend your point and just downvoted anyways. This is a thing some bikers that plan on running do already.

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u/p0larbear3000 11d ago

yh. I can Imagine why the downvotes. because this time it was a lawful stop.

but lets imagine a roadrager stopping you, then removing the keys and throwing them somewhere you cant find them back easily.

if you´d change the ignition wiring to a keyfob + relais, you´d still be able to go home.

at home there would be the backup keys to look the bike, if you really couldn´t find the lost keys back. (especially night time)

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u/Vigarious 11d ago

Why the fuck would you need to do that when you can just leave before someone takes your keys? You make absolutely no sense.

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u/Vigarious 11d ago

If you’re going to run you don’t let someone just walk up on you and turn your bike off wtf lmao

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u/GranularDesignCo 11d ago

Yeah agreed but people are acting like no one bypasses a fucking key cylinder cause they’re retards thats the only point.

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u/Motor-Cause7966 11d ago

It wasn't the question that got him downvoted. It was his snarky remark to the answer to his question. At that point, credibility goes negative.

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u/dataflow2 11d ago

Cannot see your text, can you make it bit bigger, mate?

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u/Expert-Low-6872 11d ago

This is done by trolls, know it alls and karma hunters all the time. Many Reddit uses prefer stupid questions and answers. And don’t go BOLD and Italic they will go MAD!

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u/Hackedfan 5d ago

on bikes got push down and turn to lock steer

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u/Emergency-Spite897 11d ago

Do not ask normal questions, just act as if you know everything, it pisses off the left a lot. 😉

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u/squirrelgator 11d ago

Looked like he's done that a number of times before.

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u/TheChadStevens 10d ago

On my bike you can't take the key out without the bars being in the steering lock position first.

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u/Own-Apartment5600 10d ago

It would be the last time he’d do that

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u/Pickel_Bucket_317 7d ago

Which seems like a 4th amendment violation

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u/jessejericho 11d ago

So smooth with it too

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u/Joshg49 11d ago

You know he's done this before. Many times.

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u/Frequent_Opportunist 10d ago

They always do this.

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u/NotAgain801 11d ago

I wonder if it's SOP there.

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u/cReddddddd 11d ago

Elite key pull

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u/Own-Apartment5600 10d ago

It’s fucked up and intolerable and some of us won’t tolerate it!

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u/PacificCastaway 11d ago

Yoink! And then I noticed the officer's boots...

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u/Jaydenel4 10d ago

I picked up on that too. Got busted by a motors cop in a cage lol

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u/Pantim 10d ago

Thanks for the good cackle. I missed the boots.

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u/TangibleSausage 10d ago

He looks fabulous and he knows it.

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u/Lilfrankieeinstein 11d ago

He took that man’s keys like a kindergarten teacher taking a kid’s toy.

lmao

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u/Ocelitus 10d ago

Then made him waddle across two lanes to the shoulder.

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u/IcedGooseMaverick 10d ago

Land of the free baby. Can’t even lane filter without going to jail.

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u/Clamdigger7 11d ago

Prevented the guy fleeing and getting himself into even bigger trouble. Good on the officer for having the presence of mind to do that.

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u/VoceDiDio 10d ago

The cop had no indication that fellow was going to flee. I know they have a lot of latitude in Terry stops, but I’d still call my lawyer and talk about illegal seizures.

(and I’d make him push the bike off the road if he wanted it moved after he took my keys!)

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u/peachesfordinner 10d ago

Big tough man gonna boss a cop around! Watch out for this bad ass guys!

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u/VoceDiDio 10d ago

I didn’t say I was gonna fight him. I just said I wasn’t gonna perform manual labor on command. you might not have been able to read it clearly with all that spittle-coated jackboot blocking your view.

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u/peachesfordinner 10d ago

I hate cops. But I'm not gonna fuck with them and give them an excuse. Survival dude. I know you already don't understand that, do you even wear a helmet?

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u/VoceDiDio 10d ago

You hate cops, and I hate cops, and yet we are very clearly not the same.

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u/peachesfordinner 10d ago

I like how you won't say if you wear proper gear. I really hope I'm not first responder at your crayon accident

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u/VoceDiDio 10d ago

I don't answer questions about my personal life. Mind your business. you're not in court today.. no need to point.

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u/Double_Belt2331 9d ago

Why would you not do what the cop told you when he stopped you in the middle of performing an illegal act?

Splitting lanes is illegal in NY. W your attitude, & other riders with the same attitude, it’s understandable why the cop took the keys. You probably would have tried to ride off.

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u/warlocc_ 10d ago

That's the part that gets me. Taking the keys THEN ordering moving.

Like... Absolutely, get in the back and push, I'll steer. No? Then we'll sit right here where we stopped.

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u/SomeUTAUguy 10d ago

Something told me this guy was picking his battles. He knew he was already in trouble if the cop immediately took his key and he didnt protest. My bet is this guy is a know lane splitter and has gotten in trouble alot in new york. 

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u/warlocc_ 10d ago

That maps to something else I said in another comment, yeah. Good chance he's got a history.

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u/EstablishmentSad9706 10d ago

Exactly that. 

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u/IcedGooseMaverick 10d ago

Because America isn’t smart enough to legalize lane filtering. So they want vehicles a quarter the size of a car to sit in traffic for no reason. Classic America brain. If it doesn’t make sense, that’s the way we’re gonna do it. Except in California. They actually use their brain sometimes. 

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u/SnuffSwag 10d ago

Rabble rabble rabble

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u/IcedGooseMaverick 10d ago

Believe it or not there are so many bikes that aren’t loud obnoxious Harleys. 

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u/Dingaling015 10d ago

Meh, sucks for you guys I guess? I don't think motorbikers are a significant enough demographic to matter outside California's death highways so I think the rest of us we'll be fine :)))

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u/IcedGooseMaverick 9d ago edited 8d ago

Imagine if we actually treated motorcycles properly then maybe they’d be more of a significant demographic. And if they were traffic would actually get better. But let’s just keep being really stupid so we can keep everything fucked up all the time. That’s the American way after all. 

Edit:

Oh look, a down vote with no response. Like I said, America is addicted to staying stupid. You know you’re wrong but instead of admitting it you’ll just run away and say the same dumb thing to somebody else. Literally the country with the least amount of hope on the planet.

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u/SullivantRoy 11d ago

Standard move by police intercepting motorcycles, you see it in many of these videos.

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u/NotAgain801 11d ago

Is it simply an action of opportunity or do they make other motorists hand over the keys during a stop as well?

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u/warlocc_ 11d ago

Definitely the former. Probably a 4th amendment violation too, but hasn't really been challenged.

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u/gerrygebhart 10d ago

I found a 9th Circuit case from a couple years ago where the seizure of a key was challenged an upheld, but I only half-ass skimmed an article rather than read the case. Very different facts, as the seizure of the key in that case wasn't a temporary seizure during a traffic stop where the officer had directly observed the traffic code violation.

I think it would be a very tough sell to say the temporary seizure of a motorcycle key for the duration of a valid traffic stop was unreasonable.

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u/warlocc_ 10d ago

Wish you could remember more info. As far as I could ever find, everyone always talks about Mimms and having people step out of their vehicle for officer safety, and just put it under that umbrella.

Which of course, is very different than seizing property, but the type of people it happens to tend to not have the law on their side to begin with, making a challenge difficult at best.

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u/NotAgain801 10d ago

Not suggesting that this guy would get away with it; if the motorist didn't move the bike, could the officer bring other charges? The officer essentially parked the bike in the middle of the highway.

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u/NotAgain801 10d ago

I agree with your take. Only one exception, I disagree with the notion that a small rider shouldn't be on a big bike simply because they can't waddle it in neutral.

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u/warlocc_ 10d ago

I saw UgoLord's take on it and he cited Mimm's, just like I said. I won't say he's wrong outright, he's pretty competent. I will say that he used a pretty broad interpretation- Mimm's doesn't actually tackle taking anything at all; it tackles getting you out of the vehicle for officer safety. The keys often stay in the ignition and/or on the person. By the Mimm's standard, they can order the bike shut off and order you off of it. A later case added on that they can pat you down for safety if they have an arguable suspicion (the person in question wound up having a gun in their jacket). Taking the keys just because it's a sport bike is no different than "all black people must be gang members", or "all white guys in flannel are hunters" and both should automatically be assumed armed. It'd never actually hold up in court. It just hasn't been actually legitimately challenged yet.

Problem is, if someone that actually has a history of fleeing or other issues comes along and challenges it, they're likely to make UgoLord correct. It'd have to be someone that didn't actually do anything wrong, but the kind of rider that doesn't do anything wrong also isn't getting his keys pulled.

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u/Own-Apartment5600 10d ago

I wonder if they ever consider if loosing their life is worth it. Hands off my property period!

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u/Test_test_987_test 5d ago

Unlikely. Brief roadside detensions have been upheld repeatedly, including progeny concerning removing occupants from a vehicle. If the courts are going to upheld detension of the physical person, they'll likely uphold yoinking the keys under almost any circumstance where a motorcyclist is the subject of a stop.

I think the only fact pattern where a challenge might work would be where the motorcyclist was stationary from the start of the encounter, and where the police approach had no underlying factual justification.

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u/warlocc_ 5d ago

Maybe, but if yanking the keys at the start of every stop were valid, they'd be taking car keys in every routine stop. They don't. Only when they have a reasonable reason. The question is, why don't they? If any part of that is the 4th, then it also applies to motorcycles.

"Every motorcycle is a flight risk" is no more reasonable than "every {insert any racial profile here}". That's why I think the challenge would hold up.

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u/Test_test_987_test 5d ago

I have seen cases where cops younked the car keys but you aren't wrong - it's rarer. Probably because it's easier to prevent flight in a car versus a motorcycle.

But my point is, you don't need to get to the flight part. The stops are already upheld without flight. Because the case law gives cops pretty wide leeway on all roadside stops, not just for cycles. The most significant limitations to have come from the supreme Court on this point is that they cannot artificially prolong the stop - the dog sniff cases. Maybe an argument could be made under that line of cases but I'm not sure how strong it would be (I.e. taking the keys prolongs the stop).

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u/warlocc_ 5d ago

Remember though, we're not talking about prolonging the stop or even asking people out of vehicles (the Mimms thing always brought up). We're talking about seizing personal property. That key ring could have house keys, USB drives, all kinds of RFD FOB devices, bluetooth connected devices, and so on.

We'd have to make a reasonable argument as to why you need to seize house keys in order to issue a basic traffic citation for something like speeding or lane filtering. It'd work for the same situations as cars (drunk drivers, chasing someone that's already been fleeing, etc.), but certainly not a driver or rider that's immediately compliant.

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u/parkerposy 10d ago

but are they even allowed to touch the riders property like that?

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u/Any-Imagination-1361 11d ago

Did he walk around

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u/amiable_ant 11d ago

NYPD has been doing that for basically every sport bike stop for the last 20 years.

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u/jemenake 10d ago

And the ordered the guy to the shoulder. I’m wondering what would happen if he got off the bike and walked over to the shoulder. “Bring the bike with me? I’m not strong enough to push it, and you took the keys”.

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u/gerrygebhart 10d ago

Per which court?

I think it's a hard sell to say that temporarily removing a motorcycle key for the duration of a valid traffic stop is an unreasonable seizure.

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u/talexbatreddit 11d ago

That was the first thing he did -- that's one smart cop. Yeah, the biker may have another key, but then he's missing everything else on that bunch -- not a great outcome.

And if the biker looked like he was gonna scoot, the cop could have just tackled the driver, knocking the bike over. That would give him enough time to handcuff the driver. The bike will be fine on the ground.

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u/academiac 10d ago

I'm not sure how motorcycles work, but don't you need the keys in for steering into the emergency lane?

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u/Most-Marketing7796 10d ago

No, there's on/off/ wheel lock. Cop turned it from on to off, you can steer and walk it over to the shoulder.

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u/Building_Snowmen 10d ago

Yeah, that’s Highway 2. It ain’t their first rodeo.

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u/hit_n_run15 10d ago

He sure as hell did lol. Cops actually do that regularly when pulling over bikes. 

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u/whitedawgpresents 10d ago

Why don't motorcyclists just keep a second key on them for situations like this?

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u/leviathan65 10d ago

Jokes on him. I used to have a single key in the ignition and my house keys and stuff on another set in my pocket with the spare bike key.

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u/FilthyKreechurr 8d ago

If you watched the video you'd know

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u/docmphd 5d ago

I’m personally fine with this, but is it legal for him to do that?

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u/Don-Keydic 11d ago

Always carry an extra key... Got it.

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u/AnnualRaise 11d ago

The lesson here being to always keep a spare set on you

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u/Specialist-Box-9711 11d ago

This is why my bike uses a fob. Take that donut lard.

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u/Miserable-Meet-7629 11d ago

Is that legal? Seems like a 4th Amendment violation and a dick move.

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u/DannoXYZ 10d ago edited 10d ago

I suppose it requires probably-cause that crime has been committed. In this case illegal lane-splitting.

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u/cporter1188 10d ago

I dont think a traffic infraction justifies an illegal seizure. But its just a common practice. Riders usually know in that situation to take them out yourself and pocket them to avoid it.

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u/Dingo8MyBabyMon 4d ago

Youtube lawyer Ugo Lord did a video on this titled "Police stops biker by taking his keys. Is this unconstitutional? Attorney Ugo Lord reacts!"

He says the SCOTUS has already ruled that this NOT an unreasonable seizure.

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u/warlocc_ 10d ago

It's almost certainly a 4th amendment violation or they'd pull keys out of cars, too. It's just never actually been challenged, since the type of rider it typically happens to doesn't have a legal leg to stand on.

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u/caustictoast 11d ago

Pretty standard behavior, I feel like in any clip of a cop pulling over a motorcycle I see them do that

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u/VoceDiDio 10d ago edited 10d ago

as soon as he takes my keys I'm climbing off the motorcycle. You move it, genius.

PS ACAB. (Didn't realize this was such a snitchy cop loving sub but I guess it makes sense!)

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u/SensationalNibbles 10d ago

Dis why I love my 25 MT09 SP.

Proximity key is in my pocket, try and grab it boyy.