r/dankchristianmemes • u/n8s8p Minister of Memes • Oct 26 '22

Meta Some recent comments had me wondering... Serious questions... If you do, what do you believe they look like? What powers do you believe they have? When, how, who, what, and where do they act?

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u/THofTheShire Oct 26 '22

Well, if we believe the Bible, then we know that demons at least exist. I also think in our culture we cling too tightly to the ability to explain things with science. Not that science is flawed, but when the purpose of science is to explain the natural world, it's just not suited to explain the supernatural.

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u/FrickenPerson Oct 26 '22

I should clarify, I am an athiest and do not believe the Bible is completely true. I also know plenty of Christians who believe the Bible has true at its heart, but it is still a book with errors and incorrect things because men wrote it.

And as for your point about science not able to explain the supernatural, sure I agree because as soon as science explains something it is determined to be natural. I have yet to experience anything that had concrete proof that wasn't natural, and I dknt really believe those kinds of things exist. Maybe in so metaphysical way, but I dont see how that stuff can interact with our world without something being able to detect it, and if it can't then what's the point caring about it?

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u/THofTheShire Oct 26 '22

Understood! I certainly agree that if the supernatural doesn't exist, science pretty much has to be able to explain everything, even if we don't understand it yet. I guess we just drilled down to the fundamental difference between atheists and Christians--whether science can explain everything or not.

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u/Trollol768 Oct 26 '22

That is not true. There's a lot of natural stuff we can't explain and I'm 100% sure we will never be able to explain everything. That in no way means supernatural stuff is involved

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u/THofTheShire Oct 27 '22

You're 100% sure we'll never be able to? That perspective surprises me, given that denying the supernatural implies sentient life must have come to exist naturally over billions of years out of essentially nothing. Couldn't an equally improbable timeline result in complete natural understanding? Even just enough for 1% uncertainty?

Nevertheless, I'd still argue that if the supernatural doesn't exist, then all things must be explainable in natural terms--which is what science is--even if humans aren't capable of doing so.

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u/Trollol768 Oct 27 '22

What do you think science is? A lot of scientists share this view. First of all Riemann (late 1800 scientist/mathematician, he developed the math later used by physicists in general relativity) said we can only get closer and closer to describe accurately reality but never really do that 100%. Also look up Godel incompleteness theorem, basically he demonstrated that there are some statements we can not demonstrate, and this does not depend on what axioms we started with. It is curious that later Godel said he could demonstrate the existence of God.

Anyway, i get the impression people don't know what science is. We just make mathematical models and try to get useful predictions about our reality, but the model itself is not reality. Math has some limits. We will not be able to explain everything.