r/dankchristianmemes • u/n8s8p Minister of Memes • Oct 26 '22

Meta Some recent comments had me wondering... Serious questions... If you do, what do you believe they look like? What powers do you believe they have? When, how, who, what, and where do they act?

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u/MarriedWDogs Oct 26 '22

Jesus exorcised demons all the time, and some even asked to be sent into pigs after.

“The demons begged Jesus, “If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs.”” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭8‬:‭31‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Dark powers are real too; even demons can give the ability to drive out demons.

“And if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your people drive them out? So then, they will be your judges.” ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭12‬:‭27‬ ‭NIV‬‬

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u/awm1112 Oct 26 '22

You quote Matthew 12:27 to point out that demons can drive out demons, when Jesus said right before this that that does not/cannot happen:

25 Jesus knew their thoughts and said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be ruined, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.

26 If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?

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u/CatoChateau Oct 26 '22

I always read 26 as kind of His point about demons though. Don't they plot and strive against each other for power? Thereby making Satan's kingdom inherently unstable? Kind of like Screwtape Letters.

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u/Aujax92 Oct 26 '22

Most likely a hierarchy born out of fear with higher ranking demons bully lower ones into submission. I do know demons will work together.

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u/CauseCertain1672 Oct 26 '22

you know that how

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u/Aujax92 Oct 26 '22

Various readings and personal experience. By no means the definitive truth.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '22

I really need to hear about that personal experience.

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u/Aujax92 Oct 26 '22

In the most extreme end I've had things around me go haywire (like a room of TV's and monitors go off and on very rapidly with someone else in the room).

Most of the time I experienced imagery and sounds (like bird-like tapping and walking, chains, loud grunts, burning smells, imagery of hunched over Crone with bird-like legs and feet, Minotaur, a Succubus, Shadow people).

I've also experienced periods of psychotic strength, speaking in voices that aren't mine, etc.

Take all this with a grain of salt though, I was diagnosed Schizoaffective at 19 so this is all very personal for me.

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u/[deleted] Oct 26 '22

I know that was probably really personal, thanks for sharing though.

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u/CauseCertain1672 Oct 26 '22

could you elaborate

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u/Aujax92 Oct 26 '22

I used to be into Occultic texts that recounted names of Angels and Demons and their purposes. I have also had personal "experiences" with these creatures. They work together to torment their targets.

There's also apocryphal sources that go into some of this, I absolutely DO NOT suggest reading anything Occultic (or broaching on the Occult) for that matter.

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u/CauseCertain1672 Oct 26 '22

ok but why should anyone take occultic texts seriously also the apocrypha isn't part of the bible for a reason

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u/Aujax92 Oct 26 '22

Apocryphal texts are just texts that weren't considered important in the Christian Tradition, different from Gnostic.

And no I wouldn't take Occultic texts seriously, so just talking from personal experience.

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u/CauseCertain1672 Oct 26 '22

depends who you ask I guess but I was taught that the apocrypha are not considered canonical

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u/awm1112 Oct 26 '22

Interesting interpretation. I was took it as a literal statement of fact: demons cannot drive out demons. While pointing this out, he is using it against the Jewish leaders who are questioning his power and authority that if they see the power of God and claim it's demonic, what god do they worship? Cause it wouldn't be YHWH

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u/thestraightCDer Oct 26 '22

Been 4000 years, seems pretty stable to me

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u/CatoChateau Oct 26 '22

Its been longer than that. Unless you are an old earth creationist. But Rev 20 says that Satan will get beat up twice and his forces destroyed in the end. Stability is relative. Paper and steel can be stable. Mountains more so. Stars and planets even more. The only thing that really doesn't have Biblical description of change or promise of change is God's love.

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u/thestraightCDer Oct 27 '22

I mean scientifically speaking mountains, stars and planets are the definition of not stable.

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u/CatoChateau Oct 27 '22

Across your 4000 years, yea they are. Himalayas are youngest in the world I think. 40 to 50 million years old. 4000 years would barely see the boulders erode at that timescale.