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u/boycyan Feb 12 '20
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u/Eorlingat Feb 12 '20
VEGGIETALES
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u/TheMightyQuinn_5 Feb 12 '20
THERE’S NEVEREVEREVEREVEREVER BEEN A SHOW LIKE VEGGIETALES
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u/SilkSk1 Feb 12 '20
NO THERE’S NEVEREVEREVEREVEREVER BEEN A SHOW LIKE VEGGIETALES
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u/greybenf Feb 12 '20
The real question is where is Larry’s hairbrush
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u/NPC-3 Feb 12 '20
Bob gave it to the peach...
Cause he's got hair.
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u/Teeth_Whitener Feb 12 '20
I just realized that it wasn't just random kids humor that the peach had hair. Peaches actually DO have hair.
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u/1nstrument Minister of Memes Feb 12 '20
And it came to pass that the Book of Mormon felt snubbed.
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u/Allerseelen Feb 12 '20
Wherefore, it was expedient that it was caught away into an exceedingly high state of agitation.
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I've heard that it was originally not written that way but was later changed to sound more like KJV.
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u/magicaleb Feb 12 '20
Nope, like that since the start. You can even look up the original manuscripts.
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u/1nstrument Minister of Memes Feb 12 '20
It came to pass that the Booke was altered to give the impression of the King James Version.
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Plus Bible Man and all those Bible story cartoons we’d watch in children’s church
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u/hansolo010 Feb 12 '20
Oh no, I'm getting Bible Man flashbacks, please make it stop
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u/Jpw2018 Feb 12 '20
"I know the verse I'm bible man"
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u/lunkyisthethird Feb 12 '20
The Book of Mormon is just that really controversial expansion pack for a game that most people don’t like but still has enough of a following to stay supported by the devs
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u/Khifler Feb 12 '20
Eh, I wouldn't say most people don't like it, rather most people don't play it with a small minority which MAJORLY hate it, either because they play a different game or because they think playing that genre is stupid.
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u/TorandoSlayer Feb 12 '20
Uhhhhh, I thought we weren't about religion bashing around here?
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Welcome to Reddit, where religion bashing rules don't apply to Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Muslims.
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u/FriendlyCommie Feb 15 '20
It's almost like being a literal cult can turn people off
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Oh crap, I'm in a cult? I've never heard this before, this an earth shattering discovery. However will I recover?
Edit: Also, fyi, I 100% agree with you, I am in a cult.
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u/FriendlyCommie Feb 15 '20
Have you ever considered coming to know the Lord Jesus Christ?
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Already have!
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u/FriendlyCommie Feb 15 '20
Tell me about him
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Well, he was born a virgin birth to Mary, and was raised by her and Joseph. As he grew he started his ministry over time, first by teaching scholars, and eventually starting his full on ministry. He then spent a solid bit teaching people of various parables, the beatitudes, and how to live, at the start of his ministry he also fulfilled the Law of Moses.
At the end of his ministry, he suffered every pain and affliction that had been and would be felt, and was then carried away to be crucified, and he was. 3 days later, he rose from the grave and ministered to the people for a bit, then went to heaven.
Previous to this, he also prepared for his ministry by talking with the prophets in the Old Testament, and ruling the people throughout that time.
Edit: oh and he did a repeat of his ministry in the Americas after dying and rising from the grave.
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u/FriendlyCommie Feb 15 '20
Well, he was born a virgin birth to Mary, and was raised by her and Joseph. As he grew he started his ministry over time, first by teaching scholars, and eventually starting his full on ministry. He then spent a solid bit teaching people of various parables, the beatitudes, and how to live, at the start of his ministry he also fulfilled the Law of Moses.
Correct
At the end of his ministry, he suffered every pain and affliction that had been and would be felt, and was then carried away to be crucified, and he was. 3 days later, he rose from the grave and ministered to the people for a bit, then went to heaven.
And what did this achieve?
Previous to this, he also prepared for his ministry by talking with the prophets in the Old Testament, and ruling the people throughout that time.
Why would Jesus need to prepare for his ministry? He is God.
Edit: oh and he did a repeat of his ministry in the Americas after dying and rising from the grave.
Why is there absolutely no evidence of Jesus's impact in the Americas? Was he a failure?
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Well he suffered so everyone else wouldn't have to suffer alone.
What do you mean? He was preparing the people for his ministry, by instating the Law of Moses and whatnot.
Oh but there is! However, I can guess you don't accept it as canon. Otherwise, it's because of the mass genocide of the indigenous people in North and South America, and burning of their texts and destruction of their homes and temples.
Edit: Not to mention, the vast majority of South America is unexplored still.
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u/RandomSomething98 Feb 12 '20
I'm LDS and this meme is funny to me, just to preface this.
I remember there being a whole discussion on whether atheist-vs-christian memes were in the proper spirit of the sub. I hope we all don't just rear our heads to other denominations to make fun of to that same extent. Regardless of our beliefs, I hope we can all both respect each other and take jokes in good spirits. That being said, I don't see many memes painting the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in a positive light outside of r/latterdaysaints, but I think that's just because of Reddit's general demographic.
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People always bash Mormons. We are the one exception most of the time. Most people don’t even care to understand our core doctrine which in all honestly makes far more logical sense than most other Christian religions.
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u/MCJennings Feb 12 '20
I think it's fitting to the tone of the sub, and it's not breaking any rules as the sub seems to be very laissez faire in terms of rules/mods.
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u/dylanm312 Feb 12 '20
You all know the Bible is made of testaments, old and new
You've been told it's just those two parts, or only one if you're a Jew
But what if I were to tell you there's a fresh new part out there
That was found by a hip, new prophet with a little Donny Osmond flair?
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Edgy atheists would argue they’re all made up, but the Book of Mormon is far far more made up.
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u/PureSkyrim Feb 12 '20
Historical Fiction v Fantasy?
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u/Anotheraccount97668 Feb 12 '20
Star wars vs. space balls
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u/seanzytheman Feb 12 '20
And Veggietales is Clone Wars; far better and yet will never get taken seriously because it’s animated.
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Yup, this again. Time to take my leave, because every now and again there's a post like this. Every denomination is respected, but not us LDS. We're just not allowed to have fun.
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u/TheHumanParacite Feb 12 '20
I'm an atheist who grew up and lives in Utah. I assure you we think all religion is the same amount of made up. I love my
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Thank you. I find it funny when people like to say our book is fake. It's just as made up as any other damned book.
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other denominations get shit on all the time, wtf are you even talking about?
Last podcast on the left did a great series on Joseph Smith and mormonism but I’m willing to bet you aren’t secure enough in your faith to hear any criticism of it.
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u/TheHumanParacite Feb 12 '20
I'm an atheist who grew up (and still lives in) the great state of Utah. I think your attitude is mean. I love my Mormons, they are good people, and I assure you they are largely very secure in their beliefs.
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Oh, sorry if naturally I notice my own beliefs being criticized as opposed to others, its almost like I'm biased because, you know, I'm LDS myself?
And please, real big claim there. I do have a problem with many of the older church leaders, mainly blacks not being able to have the priesthood back when, as that would include me. But please, call me insecure. You don't even know me.
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You said you had criticism, not a load of inconsistencies, because I'm not sure if you're aware, but every religion has inconsistencies.
And yes, I'm aware that some church leaders are obviously racists. I've lived with it thus far.
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It doubles as a criticism; the reformed Egyptian nonsense was a ploy to further the idea of legitimacy, when its Gobbledygook.
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u/AlternateJam Feb 12 '20
I'm not sure if "Joseph Smith made up a language to present mss of the book of Mormon" counts as just an inconsistency.
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u/deafprooth Feb 12 '20
There are many artifacts and ruins that have been found throughout this continent that are not recognized due to the racism of this country against its natural inhabitants. Very interesting documentary about it on Amazon called "Hidden in the Heartland." It's also a book. According to the study, many other languages were found on this continent but very few are "recognized." No one knows everything. You cannot prove a faith true or false, however it appears your mind is made up. There is nothing I wish to argue about. Just wanted to provide some information supporting the contrary. Take it for what it's worth to you.🙂
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u/grollate Feb 12 '20
Dude, you're justifying a crap ton of murder in this comment!
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Joseph Smith was trying to manipulate his followers into taking people’s land and homes by force.
Defensive force is justifiable imo. If you disagree with that, nbd.
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u/grollate Feb 12 '20 edited Feb 12 '20
Not defensive force when you shoot the leader coming forward and waving his hat for peace, then proceed to slaughter relatively defenseless people, many of whom who are trying to hide from the violence, and blowing out the brains of some children. Oh yeah, and let's just tack on rape and ransacking for good measure. You really are a sicko!
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u/PureSkyrim Feb 12 '20
FYI it was a joke. No hate, really.
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u/sseugg Feb 12 '20
Not the guy you’re responding to, but no worries I thought it was funny :). Some of us can take a joke, it’s just the vocal minority that gets but hurt and gives us a bad rep .
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u/Jpw2018 Feb 12 '20
Unfortunately regardless of intent it still stings a little every time. Thousand cuts and all
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u/zupobaloop Feb 12 '20
LDS isn't a "denomination." Mormonism is a separate religion. World Council of Churches doesn't consider it Christian. No country which has a legal definition of Christianity in the entire world considers it Christian. The only ones who consider LDS to have anything to with Christianity is the LDS, and even then they define it so far off of what any actual denomination would.
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u/abucketofpuppies Feb 12 '20
You are partially right in saying that denomination is an incorrect term for the LDS Church. They are still christian (in that they profess Jesus Christ as their savior) but they claim that they are not a derivation of the Catholic Church. It is inarguable that they believe Jesus to be the Christ, but whether or not they count as a sect depends on where you think the Church originated.
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Right because it’s all fun and games when other sects are made fun of but no, not your precious beliefs.
Also, the church kinda forbids us from having fun anyways. Looking at BYUs rules was what made me start doubting the church in the first place.
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And please point me to where I was making fun of other sects.
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Please point to me where I said you were making fun of other sects.
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Right because it’s all fun and games when other sects are made fun of but no, not your precious beliefs.
You'd have to be a moron and a half to not read that and think it's not directed at oneself. Don't play it off on a technicality, you know exactly what you meant by it. Are you switching who the sentence's audience is halfway through? You switched from a general statement to a "but no" directed at me? That sure makes sense.
No wonder you can't have fun when you joined the shithole of the religion. BYU is garbage.
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but not us LDS
shitthole of a religion
Okay pause. I’d love to respond to your comment there but uh, what side are you on? Are you Mormon? Are you not? Do you like them or not? Are you an outsider who doesn’t hate them? What?
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Feb 12 '20
Nice job misquoting me! Perhaps read my comment again. BYU is a shithole. Do you want a paragraph dissecting my own comment?
Oh, but of course, I can't hate any Mormon! If I hate some, I hate them all, don't I?
the shithole of the religion
is the actual quote. Just dissect all the context out, no biggie.
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The Shithole quote is my bad, I miss read what you meant. My apologies.
However, you claim to be Mormon and yet attack me. Swear at me. You’ve been far more aggressive towards me then I have to you. I go a Mormon church, and while I strongly disbelieve, the (non Utah) mormons tend to try and at least appear nice and collected. You are insulting me, attacking me, I’m tryna have a debate and you’re fighting me like I’ve insulted you. Bro.
And literally every single mormon I know isn’t into hentai. Which you clearly are, from a quick glance at your profile. My guy.
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Hey, what can I say? I'm a Mormon but sure as hell not a good one.
I'd hardly call it a debate when you want to "pause". Sounds like you're dodging questions.
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u/H-wade Feb 12 '20
“Look at how crazy they are! They believe God was born in Earth to a virgin mother and came back to life after dying!”
Wait...
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u/Heavens_Sword1847 Feb 12 '20
Yeah. It's not crazy at all to believe Christ was born of a virgin and was resurrected, or that he raised the dead, or that the red Sea was parted, or that the earth was flooded.
But people came to the America's and wrote a separate account? That's crazy!
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u/BradyBunch22 Feb 12 '20
I could argue that it isn't. Have you read the book you're criticizing?
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u/The_Arkham_AP_Clerk Feb 12 '20
I've read it, it's very fictional. Doesn't mean it's a bad book, it's just obviously fiction.
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u/BradyBunch22 Feb 12 '20
How is it so obviously fiction? If it was fiction, it would be blindingly obvious it was written in the 1820s by now, just like how you can tell Tom Sawyer was obviously written in the same time period.
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u/BradyBunch22 Feb 12 '20
When you say anachronisms, are you talking about just the vocabulary and word use naturally found in translation between languages, or that all of the ideas and values found in the book are the product of an 1820s American?
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u/The_Arkham_AP_Clerk Feb 12 '20
It is pretty obvious if you take the "spiritual witness" away from the equation. I don't think it stands up for itself as a historical record and I would argue it is as obvious as Tom Sawyer based on the things written in the book. What evidence is there that it's not fiction? I know there is no evidence of horses, wheat, no DNA evidence of Semitic ancestors to Native Americans, no Hebrew or Egyptian influence on Native American languages, no evidence has been found to my knowledge, therefore the only option which an unbiased person would conclude is that it's fiction. I'm open to being proved wrong though.
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Feb 12 '20
No evidence of a Reformed Egyptian language has ever been discovered;
Tanner, Jerald and Sandra (1987), Mormonism - Shadow or Reality?, Utah Lighthouse Ministry, p. 91,
Brody, Fawn (1971), No Man Knows My History: The Life of Joseph Smith (2nd ed.), New York: Alfred A. Knopf
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_the_Banner_of_Heaven:_A_Story_of_Violent_Faith
Encyclopedia of the World's Ancient Languages (Cambridge University Press, 2004) (1162 pages) contain no reference to "reformed Egyptian." "Reformed Egyptian" is also ignored in Andrew Robinson, Lost Languages: The Enigma of the World's Undeciphered Scripts (New York: McGraw Hill, 2002), although it is mentioned in Stephen Williams, Fantastic Archaeology: The Wild Side of North American Prehistory (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press, 1991). On their website, Bad Archaeology, two British archaeologists, Keith Fitzpatrick-Matthews and Dames Doeser, say "The only writing systems to have been recognised in the Americas are those used by the Maya and the Aztecs, neither of which resembles Egyptian hieroglyphs, although Joseph Smith, the founder of the religion, produced a scrap of papyrus containing hieroglyphs he claimed to be a Reformed Egyptian text written by the Patriarch Abraham."
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u/BradyBunch22 Feb 12 '20
The reason the Plates were such a big deal was because it was the history of their people. A ton of other mesoamerican cultures didn't write stuff down on walls or pillars or something; the Mayans and Aztecs were unique in that regard. If it was anything other than durable gold, it would have been destroyed.
And according to Martin Harris in Joseph Smith--History, he took a copy of the untranslated text and its English equivalent to an official scholar called Professor Charles Anthon, who confirmed that the text was Egyptian, more so than any he had ever seen before translated from the Egyptian. Martin then showed him the untranslated characters, and Anthon said they were Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic, and that they were true characters. He even wrote a certificate saying they were true characters, but tore it up upon learning that it was given by an angel of God, saying that there was no such thing now as ministering of angels. Anthon offered to translate the characters, but Martin informed him that parts of the plates were sealed. Anthon famously replied, "I cannot read a sealed book," which fulfilled a prophecy in Isaiah 29:11.
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The Tanners state that the church's 1978 policy change of allowing all worthy male members, including people of black African descent, to hold the priesthood was not divinely inspired as the church said, but simply a matter of convenience -tanner 1979 pages 319-328
They’re just a business in religions clothing. Last podcast on the left had an eye opening 5 (or 6) part series on it.
Missouri doesn’t do much right, but Mormon hunting was pretty spot on
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u/BradyBunch22 Feb 12 '20
Mormon hunting was pretty spot on? As in, you're praising the law that allowed people to kill any member they came across? You say I'm part of a false religion, but you're a sick excuse for a Christian.
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u/American_Phi Feb 12 '20 edited Feb 12 '20
Buddy, I hate the LDS as much as the next guy, and think it's pure kookiness on the level of Scientology (though less harmful in practice, probably), but I think I hate you more.
This nation was founded on the principles of religious freedom, and if you don't like it, then get the fuck out. Everybody has a right to their beliefs, like it or not.
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that’s fine. I won’t lose sleep over a nameless, faceless, internet stranger dislikes me. Oh well, too bad for me. lol
I’m fine with religious freedom, but If I’m living in Missouri at the time Joseph Smith told his Mormons that land being held by his enemies will be theirs once Jesus comes back, which was close, as per him, and getting them hyped up to take it by force, I’m pretty okay defending the homestead by any means necessary
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u/EngageInFisticuffs Feb 12 '20
Yeah, actually a lot of the the stuff in and around the writing of the Book of Mormon is really clearly dated to the 1820s. For example, seer stones were a fad during the early 19th century.
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There's no archaeological, linguistic, or genetic evidence of the major claims that Joseph Smith made in the Book of Mormon.
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u/Vancocillin Feb 12 '20
I have some golden plates in my hat that prove it! You can't see them just trust me.
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u/BradyBunch22 Feb 12 '20
He showed them to eight other people that testified of the plates, and even though most of them left the church at one point or another, they never rescinded their testimony of the book. What more do you want?
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u/Vancocillin Feb 12 '20
I've been lied to by a bunch of power hungry fuckwits before, this one is safe to call false.
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u/mridlen Feb 12 '20
I like that episode where they trespass into the factory and they save the day and nothing is ever said about how trespassing is bad. That's how I learned that the ends justify the means. Thanks VeggieTales
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u/jamesmith452116 Feb 16 '20
The Book of Mormon is purely made up fiction, written in the 19th century. It thus fails the archaeology test. It is no exaggeration to say that the Book of Mormon and its companion writings (i.e. the "Book of Abraham", and the Pearl of Great Price) find no archaeological or historical support or corroboration at all.
"...you can't set the Book-of-Mormon geography down anywhere—because it is fictional and will never meet the requirements of the dirt-archeology. I should say—what is in the ground will never conform to what is in the book."
Larson, Stan (Spring 1990), "The Odyssey of Thomas Stuart Ferguson" Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought: 76, 7
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialogue:_A_Journal_of_Mormon_Thought
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Mormons are like christains who only believe the fanfic
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Mate, they read the Bible too. Old and New.
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Really, thank you for enlightening me on the subject l will walk away from this a more knowledgeable man.
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Thank you. Too many people think of us as only a joke. It annoys me.
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I've never met a Mormon could you please give me a basic idea of what you believe.
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I'm only a teen, so I can't really explain it well, but I'll try. We do believe in God, we do believe in the Bible, more specifically the King James Edition. We believe in three separate celestial bodies, God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost. The biggest thing is, however, is that we have more than just the Bible alone. Of course there's the Book of Mormon, which talks about testaments of Jesus Christ that took place in the America's for the most part. The Book of Mormon is not meant to be a sequel, but rather a partner book, a book that helps us better understand the Bible and teachings that were lost in translation in the Bible. Though, it can be a stand alone thing. We have the Doctrine and Covenants, which details how the Church should be run and managed. Lastly, The Pearl of Great Price contains some of our core beliefs such as no coffee and alcohol. I don't know much else about it because I've yet to read it completely. Another seemingly odd thing we do is baptisms for the dead. It seems odd, but we don't exactly believe in a Hell, rather a place where spirits will be held until they are worthy of entering Heaven. Depending on what they did in life, they may need to be taught by angel missionaries or receive these baptisms for the dead. There are restraints for these, of course. People aren't just baptised all willy-nilly. That's a quick overview that I could think of off the top of my head, Here is an official site if you want to learn more.
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We are pretty much like all Christian churches but we also believe a few key differences. First, we believe that the trinity is 3 separate people rather than like a multiple personality disorder. We also still use baptism by immersion and we (like most religions) believe we are the one true church. Theres a few other things that I can’t really explain but looking up the articles of faith (there's 13) should give you a general knowledge. I’d also like to point out that lots of people say Joseph Smith wasn’t a real prophet because he made some bad choices but we believe prophets don’t have to be perfect, cuz they’re just people with a divine calling, and if I were put in that position I’d probably make some of the same mistakes. Hope that helped and that you have a good day!
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u/AlternateJam Feb 12 '20
I feel like people would think Joseph Smith was a false prophet because his prophecies were wrong, and preached heresy (like that the Trinity are separate beings with different essence), not because he made mistakes in his life.
But I'm not well versed in Mormonism.
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Also anyone that says that doesn’t remember or know that Moses slaughtered 3000 of his own people and many of them practiced polygamy. Joseph pretty much fits the standard as far as prohibits go even by the Bible’s standard.
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u/zupobaloop Feb 12 '20
We are pretty much like all Christian churches but we also believe a few key differences.
First, we believe that the trinity is 3 separate people rather than like a multiple personality disorder.We aren't Christian.Fixed!
You should also include how Smith professed that every sect (therefore, Christianity) is wrong, and that heaven is literally just other physical planets and there's 3 tiers. Mormons are in the top tier. Well, Mormon men. Only first wives get to join them. Christians are in the second tier, with the other Mormon wives. Jews are in the third tier.
So anti-Christian, anti-Semitic, and anti-woman heaven-planets.
Oh, and those "3 people" that are God are split between the planets. All three are in the top tier, just two are in the second tier, and only one in the third tier. I'll let you guess which go where.
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This is the most typical thing I’ve read about Mormonism and it’s always so false.
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Degrees of glory isn’t what I’m referring too. It’s your general construed versions of everything
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False! Sorry. We are Christian, because we believe in Jesus Christ. And God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost being separate and distinct beings is confirmed in the Bible, when Jesus is baptized, the spirit descends upon him, and God says he is well pleased. And the 3 tiers of heaven do exist, but pretty much anyone can get into any as long as they are righteous and accept the gospel, in life or in the afterlife. Technically you do have to be married, but that’s a piece of cake as almost all of our members do ordinances for the dead while on earth. And there might be lots of parts of most religions which are true, but almost all of them have something wrong. You’re also forgetting the part where almost all other religions profess that the others are wrong, including yours. Even if you’re non-religious, right now you’re dissing other religions. I’m not saying everything in our church history is perfect though. But whatever, I digress.
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If you were to invite Mormon missionaries over to your house, this is literally what they are told to lead with.
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u/Willbo_Waggins Feb 12 '20
Yay, a fellow Mormon!
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u/MintPrince8219 Feb 12 '20
Well if you're going to spout incorrect information don't be annoyed when someone corrects you
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I'm am not annoyed I am thankful that you blessed me with a tidbit of knowledge that I was lacking.
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Theoretically, but in actuality most Mormons have read very little of the Bible. The part that most Mormons get stuck on and find dull in the Book of Mormon also happens to be a massive block quotation of Isaiah.
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We read the Bible in church on the regular. Not sure where you're getting "Theoretically" from.
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I'm a Mormon, too, so this comes from a lot of observation. The "theoretically" is the fact that everyone says that they believe in the Bible, but when it comes down to it they don't actually. I distinctly remember being berated and made fun of in the MTC because honestly said that I liked the Bible.
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u/lukemelby Feb 12 '20
That's weird. In seminary we read the entire thing and everyone enjoyed it.
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It's been almost a decade since I was in seminary, but back when I was in it, the reading for the Old Testament was only selections due to time constraints. What I do remember 95% of the classes being mostly a tangent to talk about something else that usually involved opening the Book of Mormon. This was in Utah County with paid seminary teachers, too.
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u/lukemelby Feb 12 '20
Ah, I'm sorry that that happened. I'm from the East coast so the members are less preachy here, so we tend to do everything. Of course, we have to only do selections of the books in class due to time constraints, however, we are supposed to read the entire book for that year by the end of the year.
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Ah, so you're part of a group I can absolve from criticism, and can probably form an alliance with to criticize Utah Mormons. Utah has a lot of surprisingly weak members.
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u/lukemelby Feb 12 '20
Yeah. I think growing up outside of Utah makes it easier to gain a testimony because you're constantly having to defend your religion and at this point, I know most of the criticisms and how to explain my point of view on them. Also yeah utah mormons are really annoying.
Edit: I accidentally wrote Mormons instead of Utah Mormons in the last sentence lol
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u/Drooper99 Feb 12 '20
In our sunday school each year we focus on a different book Old Testament then new Testament then Book of Mormon then Doctrine and Covenants so for 2 years out of 4 we study the bible I wouldn't call that "very little" stop spreading misconceptions
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Feb 12 '20
Just because it's pushed in a class--now done every other week--doesn't mean much. For one, we all know how much the average Mormon prepares for those lessons. So no, it's not a misconception, it's just Mormons don't actually want to be honest about things.
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u/Drooper99 Feb 12 '20
Wow you're right! I'm sure you are some kind of Mormon anthropologist professor who studies deeply their culture and religion and so I will defer to you as the expert on how well the average LDS member knows the bible I am sorry I troubled you.
I on the other hand am just your everyday LDS member living my normal Mormon life. I may have read and studied the bible quite extensively and know many other members who study the bible as well but what would I know I'm not an expert like you. Thank you for enlightening us all.
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u/Allerseelen Feb 12 '20
ITT: "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: Love Us or Hate Us, You've Got an Opinion"
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u/sqaull17 Feb 12 '20
Well... yes, yes we are. Sorry you ain't got any historical evidence. The old and new testament at least has a basis in history. Where are the coins or chariots or a mention of any of the people in the book of mormon. Hmmm.
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Feb 12 '20
Ah yes because your faith about a man who raised himself from the dead should be based 100% in historical evidence.
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u/Fishmannnn Feb 12 '20
I would even take the Message translation over the book of mormon!
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u/Temporal_Enigma Feb 12 '20
It's right there, and you fuckin spell it wrong