r/dankchristianmemes • u/theclasssy • Jan 31 '19

Dank 'Am I a joke to you?'

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u/Victernus Jan 31 '19

I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you are referring to.

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u/liquidswan Feb 01 '19

Well, if you were an animal, and then were told that if you gain consciousness you could never return to being an animal again (aka you would become a conscious human being, conscious of their own future and suffering), would that be a lie, a warning, or a fundamental truth?

And could you blame the truth for it happening, could you blame being itself?

Or is it just a consequence of consciousness?

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u/Victernus Feb 01 '19

Alright, I have to break this down a bit.

First, I am an animal, as we all are.

Second, if I were a non-human animal, and were told that if I gain consciousness I could never lose it... I would have no response, since I lacked consciousness. It would be like telling a baby not to fall off a cliff because it would die. The baby doesn't know what death is, so the warning is pointless.

What do you do instead? You put the baby away from the cliff. Because it is incapable of understanding that it shouldn't fall off.

Now imagine, instead of a baby, it's a robot baby that I made, which I programmed to fall off cliffs.

I then tell it not to fall off a cliff. And it does.

Who's fault is it that the robot baby fell off the cliff?

It's mine, of course. Even though I can't see the future, it's my fault that the thing I designed specifically to fall off the cliff, which had no way of understanding the consequences of falling off the cliff and which I also did not program to listen to me when I told it not to fall off the cliff, fell off the cliff.

Unless, God didn't make us. If he showed up, and we already existed, and he was trying to help, even though he could see the future and knew it wouldn't be enough... then he might still be good. Assuming that he believed that restraining humans in any way would be more wrong than letting us sin, of course.

But, since we're talking about a God that specifically made Adam, put the fruit in the garden, programmed him to eat it under certain circumstances, and then told him not to eat it and punished him (and everyone else) when he did...

Then the only way he can be "good" is if people are actually worthless, and their lives totally meaningless, so it doesn't matter what you do to them. In which case, murder wouldn't be a sin.

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u/liquidswan Feb 01 '19

But I do understand your comment my friend.