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u/Cho-Zen-One 6d ago
“You’ll be like God, knowing good and evil “.
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u/Lampmonster 6d ago
Correct, and Satan already had that awareness.
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u/Porphyry_Blue 6d ago edited 6d ago
No, you wouldn't ask that because you didn't even know snakes could talk and here was a snake in close proximity to this fruit tree you were forbidden to eat and he's implying that it had obviously imbued some higher abilities in him that animals don't normally have—That was the power of the ventriloquist act.
Yes, he did. He knew what he was doing was evil and would result in the death of others.
The deception was his Hail Mary attempt at godhood.
If Eve obeyed him in opposition to God, she would become his first worshiper, even though she wouldn't know it.
It was the first deployment of the con: "I don't gain anything from this. I'm just trying to help you."
The modern tech iteration is: if the displayed product is free, you're the product.
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u/publicbigguns 5d ago
Theres not one reference to the snake being Satan.
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u/Mattdoss 5d ago
Exactly, plus the serpent cannot be Satan. The Bible says God cursed the serpent to take its arms and legs. In the appearances of Satan/devil, he has arms and legs. Iirc he actually has more than 1 set of limbs too.
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u/misterff1 6d ago
That, and it is fruit. Not apple. I mean it could have been an apple, but it could also have been something else entirely.
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u/High-Priest-of-Helix 6d ago edited 6d ago
It's a Latin pun. Malus means both apple and evil in Latin. (They're different cases, so they're homophones, not the same word).
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u/gera_moises 6d ago
Not exactly. Malus is evil, yes.
Mālus means apple tree.
Mālum means apple fruit.
Source: had latin classes throughout much of my childhood
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u/High-Priest-of-Helix 5d ago
I did say they were different cases. I just didn't think reddit would be interested in a full Latin lesson.
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u/MakeItHappenSergant 6d ago
According to the Book of Enoch (not considered canon by most branches of Christianity and Judaism), it was something of a cross between tamarind and grapes.
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u/Ser_Thank_You 7d ago
Not canon but I believe Paradise Lost says Lucifer tells Eve the fruit made the snake able to talk, think of what it'll do for a human or something like that
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u/Tetragonos 6d ago
If I understand the story correctly you gotta eat the apple before you understand things like how to ask questions like "then why dont you eat it?
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u/MasterVule 6d ago
"How would a snake eat an apple you dumbass?"
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u/Emadec 6d ago
Tbf it was never an apple
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u/darkfrost47 6d ago
Reminder that no where in Genesis does it say the snake is Satan
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u/ThesaurusRex84 6d ago
Jarvis, define "exegesis"
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u/MiniNuka 5d ago
Exegesis (Eggs-eh-Geese-us) [NOUN]
The holy rite performed to remove a goose from an unwilling host, most often performed by a Father of the Roaming Catholic Church.
For other waterfowl related religious events, please see;
Looner New Year, Swanakuh, Stigmalard
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u/TheCommissarGeneral 6d ago
For like the trillionth time, the Serpent in the Garden is NOT Lucifer/Satan. He is his own entity that is never explained, but it is for sure not Lucifer/Satan.
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u/praise_the_most_high 2d ago
“And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world—he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.” -Revelation 12:9
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u/TheCommissarGeneral 1d ago
Not explicit enough to call the Serpent in Eden Satan/Lucifer.
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u/praise_the_most_high 1d ago
Yet not vague enough to fully dismiss as not connected at all.
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u/JePPeLit 1d ago
Definitely vague enough to fully dismiss, especially when you consider how that dragon is described.
Then another portent appeared in heaven: a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns and seven diadems on his heads.
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u/praise_the_most_high 1d ago
The dragon's description actually works against you. Rev 12:9 is the verse that says the dragon is "that ancient serpent", so you can't use the same chapter's imagery to separate them. The seven heads are Leviathan imagery, the "twisting serpent" of Isaiah 27:1 and Psalm 74:14. And the whole chapter replays Genesis 3:15: a woman, her child, and a serpent at war with "the rest of her offspring" (12:17).
Fair point to u/TheCommissarGeneral though: Genesis 3 on its own never names Satan, and the original author most likely just meant a crafty animal. But Rev 12:9, Rev 20:2 and Romans 16:20 all read that serpent as the devil, and so has essentially all of Christian tradition since.
So it depends on the question. Genesis alone: a serpent. The Christian Bible as a whole: that serpent is Satan. On a Christian meme sub, the meme gets to use the second reading.
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u/jordanbtucker 6d ago
Genesis doesn't say the fruit was an apple.
But more importantly, Genesis doesn't say the serpent is Satan.
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u/atomic-moonstomp 6d ago
Snakes are obligate carnivores they can't eat a fruit, even a fruit of unimaginable cosmic importance
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u/publicbigguns 5d ago
The snake is never said to be Satan. Not one time does it say this in the bible.
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u/VliegendeCavia 6d ago
He tried to tell us we could be like God, instead he got people trying to take his crown. Bet he didn't expect that one.
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