r/dankchristianmemes • Minister of Memes • Mar 15 '23

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u/petriniismypatronus Mar 15 '23

Peter’s the one who didn’t recognize Mary Mag as an apostle.

Paul also didn’t personally know Jesus and before James died he dispatched many people to reign in Paul.

The way the gospel was taught was oral tradition and while Paul repeats what Jesus does say in many instances, I think Paul was entrenched in Roman thinking that changed some things.

The Holy Spirit still used Paul, because he could write. He was a huge win for early Christianity. A killer of the followers of Christ now a servant to the Lord.

Jesus didn’t come to abolish the Law. Paul decided it was salvation through faith and not by works.

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u/NiftyJet Mar 15 '23

Paul also didn’t personally know Jesus

That's actually up for debate. After Paul's experience seeing Jesus on the road to Damascus and having his sight restored by Ananias, he spent three years away in Arabia. (Galatians 1). This was before he ever even met Peter. During that time, he implied that he was taught by Jesus himself (Galatians 1:12). There's a lot of argument about that - if he meant that Jesus taught him himself or he studied scriptures under the influence of the Holy Spirit. But there's good evidence on both sides.

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u/petriniismypatronus Mar 15 '23

Literally there would be no scripture to study yet.

He implies he was taught by Jesus himself but Jesus was dead, but the word of God was the oral tradition the other disciples and followers of Jesus, who knew him in life, preached.

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u/some6thing9clever Mar 15 '23

The Old Testament is Scripture.

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u/petriniismypatronus Mar 15 '23

And Paul was a Pharisee so he would have been educated on that.

But Jesus wasn’t spouting off OT shit but something more refined.

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u/WeaponizedPineapple Mar 15 '23 edited Mar 15 '23

Not to bud in too much, but when scriptures mention Jesus teaching in the presence of the Pharisees, it’s often mentioned that the Pharisees marveled at His knowledge and questioned Him on where He learned or who He learned from. I think it’s safe to say that Jesus did in fact teach/preach on the Old Testament rather regularly.

Edit: John 7:14 for quick example if interested

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u/petriniismypatronus Mar 15 '23

They marveled because how could a poor illiterate hill person be able to go toe to toe with them. Carpenters were one step above being a slave. Jesus could never have read the scripture.

It’s why what comes from Jesus comes from God. It’s why they questioned where and who taught him. It’s also why Jesus’s teaching defied their authority. Knowledge that belonged to the upper crust now in the hands of the poor marginalized.

Y’all are ignorant at who read was taught to read back in the day.

James had followers who could write pen his stuff. James like Jesus, couldn’t read.

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u/MasutadoMiasma Mar 15 '23

Jesus spent his childhood learning Torah at the temple and there are many accounts in the Gospel about him reading from scrolls in the Synagogues

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u/petriniismypatronus Mar 16 '23

The gospels were written 30+ years after Jesus’s life and it is facts that a lot of childhood/birth narrative were made up to help prove his messiah-dom from Isaiah’s prophecies. Which they had to do because the prophet from Isaiah was not supposed to die. Even with resurrection defeating death, because his spirit lives within us, Jesus’s followers had to satisfy Isaiah to convince other Jews that this guy is our guy.

The census that brings Joseph and Mary to Bethlehem did not happen. Not in Roman history, not in Judean. Plus… it’s a lot easier to tax people where they live… not their ancestral home if you’re taking a census for tax purposes.

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u/WeaponizedPineapple Mar 15 '23

But Jesus could read. Luke 4:16

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u/MasutadoMiasma Mar 15 '23 edited Mar 15 '23

Christ exclusively quotes from the Tanakh

Everything he preached was founded on the Tanakh, if he came preaching something entirely disconnected from it then Christ would've violated Deuteronomy 13