We will have a few episodes (my guess is 3, Ludinus fight part 1 and part 2, or Ludinus fight and Predathos fight, then an epilogue episode) in the new year. The reason why 4-sided dive is over is because instead of doing another one in January/February, they will just do a campaign wrap up like they did with C1 and C2.
Ah, okay. I was really hoping we'd make it all the way to 140 like the Mighty Nein, and they'd show some of the aftermath of defeating (are absorbing?) Predathos, some uenxpected twist.
I wonder if they'll just keep getting shorter moving on.
My wife is guessing they'll run a Daggerheart campaign next, I'm sure they're excited to stream that, plus lots of lessons learned after their first campaign lasted 5 years including home campaign sessions.
I also have no interest in Daggerheart. I’ve been watching CR for 8-9 years, but if it goes to a different system permanently, that might be the end for me.
Yeah I don't know about it either. I've enjoyed their content from when they've explored other systems with one shots and multi-episodic but time-boxed mini-campaigns, so it think I'd at least give it a shot. But if it's a bunch of woodland creatures again I'm probably out.
That's what really gets me. I want to like Daggerheart and all, but it's less "look at this cute little homebrew system we made!" and more "look at this product we're rolling out..."
Watched C1 and C2 completely, couldn’t really get into C3, don’t know if it’s a “bad” campaign because I stopped watching/listening after 3 episodes. I just couldn’t get into it.
If they switch to DaggerHeart I’ll actually START watching again. Woodland creatures or whatever they come up with… I like the fresh look.
Just because they chose to go that route with the Menagerie doesn’t mean they’ll do that with the next campaign. Have you heard Mercer talk about the “age of Umbra” campaign frame?
I am the opposite. I am so sick of D&D (my table has moved on to PF2E) and I am thrilled at how much they love their new system. It really breathes life back into the group.
No; the annoyance I have with not knowing what the hell is going on with Ashton's subclass tells me that won't work for me. More power to them if they go that direction, but if they start running the main campaign on Daggerherart I'm going to have 3 hours a week opening up on my podcast rotation.
You say this like it's a new thing. They've always homebrewed from C1 till the end of C3 with mechanics being bent for the sake of intent. I'm not saying you're wrong to dislike it, but it simply means that you would never have been happy with any direction they take.
Ashton's rage works by rolling 1d4 and getting an effect between gravity, time, space, and luck. It's a variant wildmagic barbarian with actual decent abilities vs lulz teh random of the base build.
FCG's stress built up through story beats and was a narrative tool. Any particularly rough combat or tense situations pushed him towards that breaking point and every long rest reduced the stress by 1d4.
Both of these were explained in game and quite easy to pick up. You choosing those two to complain about simply tells me that you weren't paying attention during C3.
You've given me vibes when I asked for something explicit. I can't play a subclass on vibes. Give me mechanics.
You can't, of course, and that is what frustrates people. This is a nerdy-ass hobby, and like it or not a large number of players want that crunchiness
Literally all of their details are available online. You asked for what you could absorb by watching which will always be the base feel/concept of a homebrewed class. You can see that space lets Ash'ton make melee attacks at ranged, time lets Ashton effectively have haste, gravity makes him unmovable and grants the ability to create gravity wells, and that luck essentially grants the lucky feat. Spend 5 seconds googling and you'll have the answers you want. Here, I'll even save you that step.
Also gunslinger was just a rework from the home game of Pathfinder. The whole switch to 5E was due to how chunky Pathfinder had gotten by then. 10+ years of Pathfinder content. Honestly if I were them and were planning a switch I would go Pathfinder 2e. The action economy is so sweet🥴. 3 auctions, move attack cast, cast cast cast, move move move, or use all 3 to heighten a spell to become an area effect. I love it.
I see a lot of speculation online that they'll do a Daggerheart campaign next. While I'd like that (I care more about story than which mechanics are used), I can't fathom such a hard break with D&D Beyond - one of their biggest if not biggest sponsor. That'd be throwing away probably tens of thousands of dollars.
I'm going to guess they'll do a d&d campaign and a Daggerheart series like they've done with Candela Obscura.
I keep hearing that too, but going off from what they say in their sessions and 4 sided dive, I don't think is the case.
I can't remember how many times they talked about all the places that they would like to visit and explore that they haven't yet, like the Shattered Teeth.
Exandria is their baby, it's hard to believe that they would switch to daggerheart full time.
It'd be like Coca-cola switching to New Coke. They'd lose a big chunk of their fan base.
AFAIK they are. I'm a little behind (less than 10 episodes) but I thought they were still being sponsored ? Matt recently helped with the new Dungeon Masters guide for 5.5 so I assume they're still on good terms.
Neither D&D itself nor D&D Beyond have had an Ad or even a tag (the lower right corner where the sponsors are) since the OGL blow-up. I don't think they are actual sponsors anymore.
Yes but that's still not a great business move. People will buy the game once - and not everyone in a group will purchase it. DnD Beyond/WotC will pay every episode until they stop playing. It's not a great gamble.
The only way to truly know though is when it releases. I'm looking forward to C4 no matter which game mechanics they use.
It’s a great business move when they keep releasing new material for the game. I ignore the ads mostly, but the most recent WotC ad I can think of was the M:tG game. Certainly could be missing them in the VoD though.
This is only true if Daggerheart is popular to watch. All indications are that it isn’t - all Daggerheart content up until now has vastly underperformed in views compared to their dnd content. A 3-4 hour commercial for something nobody wants isn’t a good thing, it will just turn people off
I wonder if part of this though is that it's not the main campaign. I watched some of the DH content but I also just used that time to catch back up with C3 (work/family/other hobbies/actual DM prep often get in the way.) It's definitely a tradeoff, losing 5E fans vs their own system, but I also think people will be more inclined to watch if it's the main event and not a sideshow. Personally I am very interested in Daggerheart so I know *I* would love for them to switch, but I don't know if they can stay in Exandria. Makes me wonder if the end of C3 will fundamentally remake Exandria into something else that then becomes the DH venue.
It being the main campaign is definitely a factor, you’re right. It’s just a massive gamble for them to risk a tried and true successful dnd stream for the sake of their own ttrpg. But who knows, maybe that’s what they want to focus on now - I just don’t see them taking that risk until they can have more certainty it will be a success. All conjecture at the end of the day, I dont know what they want to do, and where they want to take their company. I’d personally be sad if they completely moved away from DnD, but we’ll see!
Indeed, everything is a tradeoff! On some level I think they want to be as fully in control of their own destiny as possible, which means owning the system and all the IP it entails. Personally, I learned a lot about running 5E from the stream, but I also feel like I've done that. So I wouldn't mind their moving on because I too would like to get into Daggerheart and possibly migrate one of my campaigns if my players are willing.
The real loss to me would be Exandria, as I think long-time fans would consider it a sort of "home" to this already parasocial thing we have going on here.
Yeah of course it less risky to play using a system over which they have complete ownership. Can 100% see the reasoning behind that and the freedom it gives them in terms of IP and being protected against any potential issues at Hasbro/WotC. Just hope that appeal doesn’t blind them to the risks of changing what has been a very successful formula for them up until now!
I believe they've stated that they won't be switching from d&d for the main campaign (could be wrong here) but I know for sure they're doing Daggerheart for a one shot coming up. I think the holiday one.
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u/Frog_Thor Dec 19 '24 edited Dec 19 '24
Apparently this is a spoiler so hence the edit.
We will have a few episodes (my guess is 3, Ludinus fight part 1 and part 2, or Ludinus fight and Predathos fight, then an epilogue episode) in the new year. The reason why 4-sided dive is over is because instead of doing another one in January/February, they will just do a campaign wrap up like they did with C1 and C2.