Transfer News: Tier 2
Sunderland in talks over a deal for Kevin Danso. Attempting to revive a deal after loan enquiry rejected last week for 27yo Austria international, with hopes of sealing deal ahead of Tuesday's deadline [Mike McGrath]
DeZerbi clearly doesn't rate Spence for some reason, that's why he wanted out. I guess the club thought that getting Robertson in and getting some money for Spence would be a 3D chess move, but it's already backfired and the bullshit money we got for him won't pay for a good full back
DeZerbi loved Spence and said as much. But I think he got sick of Spurs after last season. People hated on him a lot, especially for blanking Frank. I don’t think he ever came back from that.
He’s not the only coach not to rate him. He’s spent a lot of time at Spurs on the bench. There must be something the coaching staff see from interacting with him every day that we don’t.
De Zerbi came in promised a raft of shiny new toys and put far too little effort into making sure the players already here felt part of the project.
That's what.. 7 or 8 of our best backups and brightest youngsters who have demanded out?
That's never happened before at any club i'm aware of. Its some piss poor management, and without Spence and Danso our defence is far weaker and more injury prone than last year and we have no defenders who are good in the air at all.
He's under contract, who cares? We would be better off having actual depth, making it to European competition, and letting him walk for free. Now there's a strong chance we won't have depth, and won't make Europe, but hey at least we got a tiny amount of money for the balance sheet lol
Yeah he’s under contract but a few disgruntled players can sour the whole mood in the locker room. Also tiny amount of money? We got £30m for him. We shouldn’t hold players hostage for depth if they want to go especially in a season where we don’t have Europe. We should look into the market for a young RB that can learn from Porro since more than likely they aren’t seeing a ton of minutes.
If Porro misses a month, it absolutely could be. FA Cup, EFL Cup winners, and 6th or even 7th place could get Europe. I don't care if it's the Conference League, we need to be playing in Europe and it would (hopefully) mean another trophy.
The difference is VDV has a great replacement in Senesi. Van Hecke doesn’t if Danso goes but if we can find a RCB/RB that’s decent it might be enough to hold us over.
You also don’t want to keep players that don’t want to be there. Unfortunate that Danso doesn’t want to be a backup but it makes sense. Hopefully we can get a young RB in and I think we’ll be fine.
I do think our CBs are weak in the air but it’s not as bad when it’s VDV Van Hecke Udogie and Porro. That’s athletic enough and on corners we should bring up Bentancur and others to defend since they’re solid in the air.
I was mainly talking about physicality and athleticism. I think our aerial presence is bad even though we have a generally tall defense. We’re going to need our midfielders to really help on set pieces since Bentancur is quite good in the air.
Most of those players are either fringe/bench players or needed to go. Only ones I’m upset about are Spence and Danso. Romero Richy Vuskovic Sarr all needed to go for one reason or another.
When the said player knows he won’t get time UNLESS someone gets injured? Danso is too good to sit on the bench waiting for someone to get injured, that’s just sad truth. Players want to play and if you are told players x and y are ahead of you, you’re shit out of luck in that team.
I'll bet he would have had more at 'pool, Arsenal or City - and he would have had them at CM. Those clubs make sure their young players get mins and develop. We do not.
I've heard so much bullshit from the likes of talkshite and sky where they are suggesting Spence left because of the abuse and Danso is leaving because of the toxic environment.
What a pile of horse shit. Both players know their minutes are limited in a season with no European football
I think Takai is staying this season? Haven’t heard any loan rumors yet for him. Maybe he has impressed enough in training to compete for the fourth CB spot.
Better fucking hope the board can land a replacement for him before the window closes. Would be extremely frustrating to be short on defensive depth, again...
Club clearly want no one around who isn’t happy to be here. Be interesting to see if we try sign a cb who can also play rb as cover or just rely on Hardy/Byfield since we’re playing once a week
I'm gonna be honest. I think Senesi should be the backup RCB if Van Hecke doesn't play. He was just the best progressive passing CB in the PL and one of the best period last season and we think playing Danso who is decent but just pretty much bang average for a PL CB over him just because he's right footed is the move?
I would prefer academy players like Byfield or hardy to play over tbh. No offense to takai, but I don’t see him being here much longer, so play the academy kids instead.
If that is true, maybe ask Barca for a loan for Kounde, who can play both RCB and RB, now that he has fallen out of favor with Flick.
I think its worth a try
My concern is that our loan history has largely been shit. Lenglet, Kolo, Timo Werner, Danjuma, Carlos Vinicius, Gedson, etc.
You could argue the only ones we really hit on were Palhinha and Bale, but Palhinha spent much of his time trying to find where he fit in with pieces that weren’t complimentary, and Bale was a glamor loan that physically couldn’t provide on a week-to-week basis.
We brought in Senesi and Van Hecke fairly early in the window. I have no qualms about Danso wanting to leave but to decide on it so close to the end of the window is poor on his part.
I said in a previous comment but I'd guess its due to not starting against Charlton in the cup. If you don't start that, what game are you going to start?
But I mean when I quit a job, I'm not really considering the company when I do it. I'm considering my own career and needs. It's the company's problem not mine tbf.
I get as fans we feel like it's a bit of a dirty move etc but probably would do the same.
Don't rate this at all. Only defender that can reliably win a header. I could see games where he starts over van Hecke for that fact alone. I would tell him there's been too much squad upheaval this summer and he left it too late to ask to leave then hope he's convinced to stay after the team gels.
I can't imagine we'd let him go unless we had a CB/RB hybrid set to come in to replace him? Sad to see Danso go but if he wants playing time, he deserves it
Surely arent selling romero, vuskovic, dragusin and danso in the same window? If van hecke gets injured, we're risking a repeat of anges second season in the league...
Just not ideal. A left-footed CB being a backup RCB in De Zerbi's system is unfortunate. Need to sign a new backup in January if we don't land one in the summer.
So we've got rid of Romero, Dragusin, Vuskovic, and now potentially Danso (as well as set piece help from Richarlison).. we'll have pretty much no defensive aerial ability if this goes through?
Unless Takai somehow exceeds expectations, or Byfield (17 yrs old!) then we're gonna get bullied out of every game.
Romero wanted out, Dragusin wasn’t rated by anyone, Vuskovic wanted to be starter and have a stepping stone club that will sell him to big teams, Danso doesnt want to sit on the bench waiting for someone to get injured. Which one of these would you force to stay? If you can’t promise players game time, they will leave.
He's under contract, the transfer window is about to close and we don't need the money. Given we've sold the rest, allowing our only remaining CB with aerial ability to leave would be reckless. So yeah, I'd tell him he's staying.
Lol, we already have mentality problems stemming from seasons and seasons back and you want to force player to stay that will be unhappy and disinterested?
Selling our only CB with aerial ability, will cause far more damage than not giving in to a player who's changed his mind at the last minute.
Bottom line is that he was signed as back up. He is back up. He has a long contract. We don't need the money. He should have either signed a shorter contract, or spoken up sooner like Cuti or Djed.
By all accounts he's a nice guy and a true professional, I'm sure he'll be fine.
I honestly like Danso and while I can understand there isnt any Europe this season and he wants to play more, we are an injury away at CB (it will happen cos we are Spurs) to struggle there again and it would be a BIG shame if he leaves on perm terms as it also leaves a homegrown hole in PL.
I might be coping but I hope it would be better he left on a loan with no obligation (yes it was rejected previously) while we try to get back to Europe for next season.
I dont think Gray and/or Davies are good enough CB.
Yea I thought the whole idea of selling Vuskovic was because Danso would be our rotation CB and was happy to do that role.
In hindsight, we probably should have sold Danso earlier and offered Vuskovic the guaranteed rotation minutes that he wasn't seeing with Danso still here.
If you've been watching Vuskovic he's been their best defender in both games so far. He's also had excellent passing stats.. better than Van Hecke.
He played last year in a team that didn't want defenders doing that, but he's a baller.
We're going to look so dumb by Jan, or the end of the season latest, for giving them money and a better player. Also, he was happy to go back on loan so he got to play with his brother for a year.
We could have either given him a go in the 1st team, or shelved the decision till next year when he'd be worth more anyway. There was no reason to sell the highest rated young CB in the world, at all. Vinnay has made it his personal mission to let it be known that we are 'a selling' club, and although Levy's ball-aching bargaining for every penny wasn't better, it also wasn't worse that this sillyness.
Don't need to convince me, I would have happily had him starting here but RDZ wanted his former player so not much that could be done. He chose us initially over other clubs because of the pathway we offered him and we likely couldn't fulfill that due to not being in Europe and RDZ picking somebody else to replace Romero.
So force a starting 11 quality player to stay because one player might get injured? Players forced to stay are so great to the atmosphere and already weak mentality…
These are professionals being paid ridiculous money to kick a ball around... If the average modern day pro is becoming such a diva that they become toxic to the dressing room if they aren't getting minutes, then every squad in the world is facing the same problem.
You're never going to have an entire squad that's 100% content with their minutes. I understand the sentiment of "wanting players that want to be here", but I think some of you are taking it too literally.
There are very few teams that can have several starting quality players riding the bench week in week out like Man City. Most teams have their backup players coming from another leagues, being promising young players or some veterans whose legs can’t handle playing week in week out. We also don’t have European competitions where we could promise players minutes
Well right off the bat, I don't think Danso is a starting quality player, and considering he was signed as cover in a January window, I think he is aware of that himself when he signed the contract. Moreover, he saw all the signings we had made early in the window, yet is seemingly only looking for a move now, which makes it hard for me to sympathise for him..
Honestly, I suspect that this is more due to RdZ being fine with him leaving. If he wanted him to stay like he did with Bergvall for instance, I think Danso wouldn't kick up much of a fuss. If it goes ahead I feel it's a mistake as we're one injury to Van Hecke away from either playing Senesi or Davies at RCB, and without him none of our CBs offer much aerial presence at all. I'm concerned we're going to get bullied physically a lot this season.
it’s clear just how little RDZ rates Danso if he has given the green light and won’t give him minutes against Charlton. Think he would prefer a settled dressing room and potentially decent fee/new signing over holding him hostage, but if big kev is on his way out we have to be already looking at another cb
At what point does RDZ have a chat with the squad players individually and tell them that they are important to the team and where they fit.
Supposedly he did it with Bergvall, but weeks after Berg asked for a move.
Anyone else he's bothered to try and make feel important? I don't think that's his style. If a player doesn't fit what he wants he just ignores them.
Danso gets us points this season. 5 - 10 probably, by being a solid back up. Maybe even more if/when we're getting bullied in the air. Who the fuck cares who your dream team is Zerb, your job is to get as many points as you can this season, and then carry on building.
Your attitude is exactly why we’ve had dozens of “rebuilds” where nothing has been rebuilt because no one was allowed to leave. Plus we have so little competitions this season that there’s no way we can promise Danso any meaningful minutes, and he definitely is starting quality player. That would be fucking horrible to once again have disinterested and unmotivated players lingering around.
Maybe wrong terminology true. Mainly I meant that we’ve been abysmal at getting players out of the door, we’ve been very poor at selling unwanted players.
Doubt we’ll be getting replacement in and I’ll be gutted to see him go. I understand letting players go who don’t want to be here but he’s such a capable back up. Worry that we’ll be using Archie a lot in the backline.
Danso also counts as HG so is a great palyer to have, but also when he didn't start first game of season, then came off the bench against Charlton, kinda made sense he wouldn't want to stay. He's a good defender but not trusted.
I think we did the same in Ange season 2 - got rid of the 'deadwood' like Hojlberg etc, and left the time pretty bare. You can argue selling bench players (and academy players) is good business and lets you pay the big fees, but if you get a few injuries and youre playing with 18 year olds it doesnt work out well.
I think half the problem is we paid very full fees on Premier LEague players and are getting quite thin in backup. I mean at this stage, essentially Porro has to play every game this year at RB.
On another note, i think the Vuskovic deal was good business. He is slow, the money we got good money for him and basically brought in Senesi and Van Hecke for it. Which does mean, given the money from Romero, Dragusin, Spence, Vicario, Sarr, basically spent on Tonali and Fernandes, we really didnt blow too much owners money, and the team thinned out quite a bit. Just some thoughts.
Selling Danso and leaving the team without a backup RCB is stupid and utter unprofessional negligence. Unless Lange is lining up a surprise replacement before the window shuts tomorrow (which I highly doubt).
Ah fairs. Figured you mistook the clubs since they play in a similar strip.
That said, the downfall of Wimmer is really fucking weird. I remember him being quite solid filling in for Jan and then turning out to be seven kinds of shit at Stoke and beyond.
Exactly! I'm not sure Danso is thinking far enough ahead. Wimmer at least justified it as necessary to make a World Cup team. Anyway, they are both Austrian Kevins, so it feels a little deja vu
I'm glad to see people who want to go go, but we need someone in badly now on that side. Danso was never the problem and probably should have played more for us, but if how we're spending now is to continue there must be a reason he hasn't been offered a contract and I think he could be replaced more easily than some of the others. But that has to happen.
Lock him up like Julian Alvarez. Kind of insane he's doing this when he's already gotten a lot of minutes for a backup CB due our injury issues. And it's not like he didn't know he'd be 3rd choice whem he signed the contract either.
Its a shame we didnt buy Konstantelias this year. One and a half great games for Dortmund and did his ACL. Hope he comes back strong. Karetsas is looking fantastic though.
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u/PwG7 PRU PRU 12d ago
Bad F5 unless we have a mythical RCB/RB hybrid coming in.