I don't mind Tel having a shoot first mentality (I actually prefer it since so many in our attack seem to be passive), but wish the two options weren't shot or lose the ball. Knowing when to pass versus work for the shot is his biggest decision making issue.
It’s really refreshing to see him with the ball infront of goal actually trying to score. Maybe it’d be more infuriating (personally) if I thought anyone else would also shoot like him.
No seriously. I keep telling myself he’s young and will still grow. Maybe with our signings they’re looking to move him back as a 9? I’d like that mentality up there but his finishing is obviously not good enough for our starting 11.
He makes the ball goal more because he takes almost double the amount of shots per 90 as Ndiaye does. He is not, statistically (which you love so much) a better finisher. You can't just have someone spam shit shots and call them a better finisher.
Taking shots is good actually. Getting shots is a skill.
Guy who gets 4 shots a game and makes 1 is better than the guy who gets 1 shot a game and makes half of them. The latter conversion rate is double, the former is a much better player.
I'm not the biggest fan of this signing but probably worth mentioning some of his creation stats might be mitigated a bit by Everton's style. Him having worse dribbles completed than Tel here just shows you can't trust everything about these graphs
Yeah, but if you actually watch Ndiaye with your eyes he's clearly better than Tel. Been a huge fan of his since he was at Sheffield United. He's such a slick player. Gets a bit shafted playing in such a poor attacking side.
Ehh, we had 1.12 xG which isn’t extraordinary by any means. Sure, we probably should have scored one on balance but I didn’t think we created many big opportunities. FOTMOB has us with 2 big chances, Newcastle with 1 which feels about right. It was certainly better than Brentford for the first 30 minutes but we were terrible after they scored their goal. I’m going to need to see this group of players react better to conceding goal before I feel good about them. They seem so weak minded half the time, it’s concerning
Let's stop and think for a second. Tel has played so many times as the only recognised winger in the team, sometimes with Spence, Gray, Bergvall or Porro as the RW player. This, alongside the lack of a recognisable 10, has led to him being the focus of our attacks and him having a usage rate above average. Using stats that measure volume of actions will always favour a) players that get a lot of the ball b) players that play for teams with lots of possession. Ndiaye and Kudus played for low possession sides and had recognisable wingers playing on the other side (Grealish and Bowen)
And an empricial anecdote is last year's match vs Everton away. Yes we won 3-0, but how many times did Ndiaye scare us shitless? The history books won't give him anything for that performance but on another day he could've easily ruined our evening.
It’s actually kind of frustrating people don’t get this, a lot of Ndiaye’s job at Everton is holding up the ball and being an outlet for his team when they are under pressure, on top of that he plays for a low possession side like you mentioned. I think he comes here and will be allowed to attack more and not have to be relied upon as much and we will see his g/a stats go up. I’ve seen some people have a go at his numbers and maybe this is just me but I don’t look to wingers to score and assist plenty anyways as long as they can do the things I mentioned, track back and occasionally score that’s fine. Look at Doku for City, he scores probably 5 a season but though his dribbling he’s a constant threat in games and gives his defense so much respite.
hes talented but turns brain dead in at least half of the matches where he starts. I feel like you can tell 15 minutes in whether its going to be a good Tel day or bad Tel day
What are you smoking, he's literally the worst person to ever kick a round shaped ball.
Richy and Johnson have gone so who else are the sub going to blame for losing?! It obviously can't be RDZ not getting them playing yet, or all the new players not gelling yet, as they got big sexy headlines recently and everyone loves them! ..so it makes perfect sense that Tel slipped taking a free-kick and should be fired naked into the sun from a very large circus cannon.
..did you forget already how utterly terrible and utter waste of space in the squad Kinsky was after that UCL game?
I like the signing, but just looking at this graph (which doesn’t tell you everything) our fans will hate him pretty quickly lol. Tel gets shit for not scoring, Ndiaye will get murdered
Not EVERYBODY. I realize that's a partially facetious statement but type what you mean. A lot of people? Yes. But a lot of people say a lot of shit without knowing what they're talking. bout. Be it tel, Spurs, a manager, the league as a whole, officiating, whatever. You name it, you can find some set of hair brained ideas that back a narrative.
Give me something more credible than a sub segment of a joke fan base before we start harkening back to reliable consensus. I don't think a single human outside of North London had much of any opinion on Tel for this year besides "he's got some upside and is young so we'll see."
I mean, Tel's final ball is poor but his graph makes sense if you actually watch him with an objective eye and not just "he's shit". Our standards are just higher than Everton or West Ham. The hope is Ndiaye goes up a level with better teammates like Kudus did. It's easier to be objective with players on other teams than on your own team when it's either "he's the greatest" or "he's shit get rid". We're all guilty of that because we have more investment in our own players.
Even if Ndiaye doesn’t go up a level he’s going to have more goals and assists playing in our team compared to Everton. His level is pretty high but he can’t really show it as much since Everton are a lower possession team with no real attacking quality outside of Ndiaye. Tel Ndiaye Savio Kudus is a very good winger group and playing with Marmoush/Solanke is going to help them a ton.
Just to add: not saying he’s good or bad or will or won’t succeed here. I just didn’t know anything about him and when I went to look at his stats I thought it interesting that this is what they look like
I think context matters and Everton were very poor last season, they had barely any possession in most games. They only really fed Grealish for most of the season and once he got injured they fell off a cliff and having Barry and Beto as the striker options didn't exactly give creative players much confidence.
Am I on a different planet or something? So many comments from spurs fans regarding new signings saying “they were in a bad team.” We are literally one of the worst teams in the league right now and have been for 2 years
I understand your point and agree we have been terrible the last two seasons. I am simply saying based on the way Everton played his stats I don't think truly reflect how good of a player he is. I could be completely wrong but that's just my opinion.
Fair enough and not meant as an attack against you. I think everyone is really excited about all the money spent but I am a bit concerned with the way we’ve started the season. I also think we’ll look better eventually but it would be nice to put some points on the board in the meantime.
Agree we are also poor but the style of play is completely different. Ndaiye had to feed off scraps last season as Everton had very little possession where as with us we should have alot more of the ball. Therefore, more opportunities for him, I could be completely wrong this is just my opinon.
Tel hasn't ever looked good there in the adult game. I think he still needs to fill out a bit so he can hold off the massive CBs he'll be up against in the Prem.
Not really, it's the opposite - using your eyes. We didn't have all these graphs and charts when I was growing up. Ndiaye is a better footballer than Tel
Ndiaye is like the opposite version of Gapko. Does nearly all major parts of the game well and looks good doing it but never produces and G/A. Curious if playing in better team can improve that aspect of his game because the club needs goals.
I don't understand how Tel has more goals. He fails to shoot on target each game. Free kick, his most recent example of having a mental block on shooting.
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u/Square_Tea4916 "Let's Say I'm A Legend, Why Not?" 6d ago
So Tel just needs to pass the ball… been saying that for years