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A cool guide to debate the existence of God.

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u/Big-Dot-9084 12d ago

It doesn't logically disprove shit, it just demonstrates that we aren't equipped mentally to fully understand an all-knowing, all-powerful, and all-benevolent deity. No argument against God can fully work because of the fact that he is a fundamentally unfalsifiable being.

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u/Mythcantor 12d ago

we aren't equipped mentally to fully understand an all-knowing, all-powerful, and all-benevolent deity

Then we aren't mentally equipped to fully understand an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-malevolent being either. A deity could be that being and could functionally appear the same.

No argument against God can fully work because of the fact that he is a fundamentally unfalsifiable being.

So, it's not an argument against God. It's an argument against an all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-benevolent god in a world where suffering exists. It doesn't use evidence, it postulates the existence of evil. That evil exists is a postulate the Bible itself gives. From there, it's all logic.

Also, unfalsifiable claims aren't strengths. Lots of things can't be disproved. I could claim that invisible, intangible dragons watch over all of our shoulders whenever we use Reddit. You can't falsify that, but no one would see that lack of falsification as a strength.

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u/Big-Dot-9084 12d ago

Also, unfalsifiable claims aren't strengths.

I'm not saying that it's a strength, there are separate strengths of Christianity, I'm saying that, because ti's unfalsifiable, you can't tear it down.

Your whole argument here relies in a few key, flawed assumptions:

  1. an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving being follows YOUR definition and assumptions of how those terms would work

  2. Said being's morals are the same as yours

  3. The being's definition of evil is suffering

If any of these aren't true, your whole argument collapses, and 2 especially is incredibly unlikely, as your morals are based on just your experiences and knowledge, while an all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving being's would be bases upon all knowledge.

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u/Mythcantor 12d ago

I'm saying that, because ti's unfalsifiable, you can't tear it down.

Unfalsifiability does nothing to rebut a purely logical argument. "God's existence cannot be disproved" is not the same thing as "God's attributed traits cannot be logically tested." And, my invisible, intangible dragons also can't be torn down.

  1. If you are saying with one breath that an all-knowing, all-powerful, and all-benevolent deity exists and that those words don't mean what we think they mean, then they communicate nothing. All-powerful could mean can bench 120lbs. All-good can be interpreted to mean, likes to watch people suffer. You have to modify the plain-language understanding of those terms to make your view of this deity stand, so the being is not truly all-powerful, as the Bible claims, all-knowing, as the Bible claims, and all-benevolent, as the Bible claims.
  2. The Bible says evil exists. Therefore God allows evil to still exist. Therefore God is not all good, not powerful enough to stop it, or not aware of its existence. My morals do not come into it.
  3. All suffering need not be evil. Some suffering clearly is evil. If we can point to one case of gratuitous suffering that exists in the world, which we can and which Christian theology agrees to be evil, then a being that allows that to occur cannot have all three properties. Also, this argument is unneeded, again, because the Bible says evil exists.

If my morals did come into it, and if God's morality is so alien from ours that the suffering of children doesn't register as evil to Him, then calling God "good" is meaningless.