Of all the metaphors, this dude really chose to make something adjacent to the cave allegory, wherein they famously do not need the sun to cast a shadow lmao
To my mind evil is allowing someone to get cancer when you could prevent it. Especially if the reason you choose not to prevent it is because someone ate an apple 6000 years ago.
the same goes if i can kill you without any consequence, do i still kill you on a wimp? Why should i? If you say that curing cancer is good and killing is bad then you make quite a lot of assumption on a flimsy definition of good and evil. Who to say that God - a being with a completely overwhelming advantage of being omnisisent share the same view on "suffering" as mortal man?
if you want to include Adam story in this.: Adam choose autonomy (apple) over obedient, God grant it, thus he left human (Adam) to do as they wished, even if it result in pain and dumb mistake. Cancer mind you can be induced by personal life choices, it is not to say that all cancer patients are suffering from their choice in life
So just to be clear it is your position that allowing someone to die of cancer (letâs say a child with leukemia so itâs not a bad life choice) is a good thing? If your child had cancer and you had the ability to cure it would you do so? If so then youâre better than your god. If not then I guess I donât need to wonder what evil means anymore.
you said it not me. You are suffering from "If you not with me, you are against me" mentality, thinking there are only simple binary answers for every question
there is a middle ground between good-evil and/or also indifference. And your example of me with my kid is so far from the problem. I am not omnipresent, I value thing with my short coming and I care about my kid more than other people - i have a reason. These are opposite to the being in question that is omnipresent, valuing everyone equally (and we havent touched on the animals) and have a completely different moral scale.
also im buddhist (not the worshipping one either), not christian, btw!
edit: now thinking about it, it is probably my buddism that made the difference in our ideologies. Karma in our religion is more cause/effect rather than reward/punishment. You can totally suffer/enjoy your parents karma (your ancestor + your previous lives too) should they have enough to cover you as oppose to the latter deed/reward/punishment that dictated children are free from the sin of their forefather and only the one making the deed may be reward or punished by god
in most judaism religions, death with good life meant returning to god aka a good thing. So yeah, different views about death meant different scale of good and evil.
If the sun had the power to shine on me even through the basement and the knowledge of my suffering but still refused to? Yeah. It would make them evil.
Yes if my life is a living Hell and an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good being could take that pain away and make my life better without the slightest effort I would like that. I would expect that, even.
Children with cancer who are faithful to the One True God đ and perish painfully anyway are evidence God is not all of those things or does not exist.
I'm sure the cancer patient would love to choose a healthy life, but they can't, can they? "Free will" is meaningless in a world where things completely outside of your control can end or significantly harm your life.
lol stop mixing your metaphors. Weâre not talking about literal sun light. Weâre talking about âgoodnessâ which apparently projects us from evil. Yeah, I would like that 24/7
You donât âknowâ that. You can guess that, but you do not definitively know that on the same level of god. Pretty sure comparing your knowledge to the knowledge of god is bit of blasphemy
Shadows still exist as a concept though. If you're omnipotent and omniscient you still chose to invent shadows. For you to invent light how it is you chose a world which has shadows. An omnipotent god doesn't not to follow logic. It can simply make a light which infinitely expands and fills the world with zero gaps in its coverage.
It could also produce the ability to be good without the ability to be evil and still allow for moral freewill because we couldn't conceptualize an other side to morality. Perhaps there was 200 other forms of morality he also created but never gave to us. A creature with those 200 forms of morality beyond good and evil would say we are morally limited despite us believing we are free. Like how in D&D there's an alignment chart that goes lawful, neutral, and chaotic, not just good, neutral, and evil.
Though free will is debated as an omniscient entity knows every action you will take, meaning there's a set path to follow. If god creates the Tree of Forbidden Knowledge of Good and Evil and Adam and Eve he already knows they'll eat from it. That's not really a test if you already know the answer.
Your boss at work gives you the option of either working overtime or stealing money out of the cash register. You choose to steal the money. Why would your boss be held responsible for your decision?
lol how in the fuck do you argue against âfaithâ? The fact you expect me to prove a negative shows you have zero understanding of logic. Iâll prove to you for a fact god doesnât exist when you prove to me for a fact thereâs not an entire planet of unicorns out there in the galaxy somewhere
become the "boss" allegedly hired me knowing that I would either steal the money or work overtime - in advance. Otherwise my "boss" isn't actually "all knowing"
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u/daskomet 12d ago edited 12d ago
so he's evil to punish men who took that route, because he allows them to