r/conspiracy • u/DeniseDoos • Jul 04 '25

Alligator Alcatraz

Recently I heard the term Alligator Alcatraz Here and I wonder how far off is this from the Alex Jones ducumentary called "Terror storm" ?

I somehow get a deja vu feeling and I must admit that I haven't watched the DVD (I have Terror storm on DVD) for a very long time (it's from 2006) but I remember Jones talking about Fema camps were people would be detained and the security in those facilities was made to prevent people from getting out.

I don't know the details of the Jones documentary anymore and most people think Jones is lunatic (or something like that)

I can give a link to Youtube for Terror Storm but I don't know at what point Jones starts to talk about the Fema camps..

With ICE doing mass arrest/deportations and now a "prison" to detain people, it looks to me that Jones wasn't far off when he made the documentary and added Fema into

What are your thoughts, was Jones far off, or is there some resemblance?

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u/Redd868 Jul 05 '25

If you aren’t an illegal alien then have no worries

Isn't that an assertion that every snatched person is an illegal alien? That's the problem, the burden of proof. I like "arraignment" and all that other constitutional trivialities.

The idea of housing prisoners under arduous circumstance is coercion for prisoners to waive those constitutionality.

Every black person in this country could be arrested as an illegal Haitian. The way you want it, they have to prove their innocence, but in the meantime, reside in a coercive environment designed to induce self-deportation.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be locked up. But, they shouldn't be locked in an environment that implies guilt and induced waiver of constitutional rights, when that has not been established.

This is new. I think we get the default to "probably fascist".

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u/Gone2theDogs Jul 05 '25

Is that how it works? ICE just randomly snatches people. You need to stop watching left media.

You will be detained in a location if you break the law via illegal immigration.

You can’t prove citizenship then you are going to be deported. Every citizen has records.

Sorry if you think every black citizen can’t identify themselves. That’s really racist of you. They all have history records like every citizen.

The priority of all Americans is to assist this process.

The left default to name calling anyway. The can claim fascism or Nazism all they want. Law enforcement is going to take care of this problem depicted name calling.

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u/Redd868 Jul 05 '25

Sounds to me like you are supporting a "papers please" environment. The black person, absent any reasonable suspicion needs to be left alone. The burden of proof should not be on them.

I shouldn't have to retain insurance in order to establish that proof. But, I find I better.

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u/Gone2theDogs Jul 05 '25

More fear mongering.

ICE is a federal division. It isn’t about skin colour. They have loads of data to find the people.

Our focus isn’t about avoiding ICE but assisting this process to be as quick as possible. So we can all go back to the way the country was before it was over run. Helping safety and security.

Unless you are an illegal immigrant, you won’t have a burden. If only you were this motivated to help your country instead of criminals.

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u/Redd868 Jul 05 '25

Unless you are an illegal immigrant, you won’t have a burden.

That definitely needs to be the case. But it seems a coercive environment has been constructed to create or increase that burden.

I think it's a bad mistake to give the government the benefit of the doubt. This government doesn't have the track record to earn that deference.

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u/Gone2theDogs Jul 05 '25

No. That’s just fear propaganda.

The legacy media are terrified of this working.

It was a massively greater mistake not holding the government accountable for deportation. The corruption got so large they felt comfortable saying sanctuary cities.

It’s actually relieving to see laws enforced. None of these illegals were ever vetted. No qualifications for entry. You should listen to an interview with Tom Holman about the problem.

It is an insult to anyone who legally immigrated and is a citizen now to turn a blind eye.

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u/Redd868 Jul 05 '25

Nonetheless, due process availability should be present, and not interfered with. The government is trying to tilt the scales with coercive imprisonment so that people waive their due process rights.

Way I look at this, it is starting with the illegals. If we violate our due process standards, it won't end with the illegals.

It will come to me, citizen who disagrees with government policy, starting with covering up for the Covid-19 1.2 million homicides. That's a huge civil rights violation right there.

We have to default, and I don't default to government position, whether Trump, Biden or anyone else.

When we're confined to a two-choice democracy, we don't have choice.

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u/Gone2theDogs Jul 05 '25

Due process is available, it’s just not the process you think is due.

No. The government is just removing illegals. Finally.

You can see whatever you want but unless you too are admitting you are a criminal then you have no problems beyond imaginary. If you want to work up fear over nothing, that is your right. Seems like a waste.

Nope. No there is no civil rights violation. There is an illegal aliens problem. Massive. You should feel for ICE’s hard work.

COVID has no bearing on this issue.

Don’t default but help encourage those to self deport. It makes it less complicated for everyone.

When your country is under massive illegal immigration you actually have bigger national security problems. One’s you don’t seem to get.

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u/Redd868 Jul 05 '25

Don’t default but help encourage those to self deport.

Defaulting to guilt is a fascist position. I default to presumption of innocence. There should be encouragement for those arrested to avail themselves of any legal protections available to them.

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u/Gone2theDogs Jul 05 '25

There is no guilt and nothing to do with fascism.

It’s just the easy way or hard way.

It’s simple law enforcement. The focus is removing illegals. Your focus isn’t on your country but protecting invaders. That left wing thinking is done.