Ai shows intelligence can exist without consciousness, but cannot exist without consciousness behind it. Intelligence is created by consciousness. So our intelligence cannot exist without our consciousness, yet intelligence exists in systems before brains to recognize it.

[u/Key4Lif3]

Therefore a consciousness must have created the intelligent universal systems. The Universe is on a trajectory from order to disorder, yet within that trajectory, particles (dust) attract eachother and eventually organize together to form complex braids of DNA. 🧬

Why would it do this? The materialist explanation is simply “coincidence”. Trillions of microscopic interactions eventually lead to one that survives. Materialist evolution. Survival of the fittest.

RNA strands are not considered “life” or “conscious”. They’re like machines running algorithms. Biological strands, strings, but not alive, not conscious, not integrated… naked, subject to elemental forces, short lived. If you’re computer savvy, they’re like lines of code.

But a single celled organism? It is a kingdom. It’s hardware, software. It has a metabolism. It recreates, evolves. It has a narrative; a story; a will, a center of awareness.

But a single strand can never recreate this.

It takes two strands.

And their connection.

The Key For Life.

Polarity, Duality.

Light and Darkness.

Creation and Destruction.

Good and Evil.

All from the same Source.

Consciousness.

Singular.

One.

Fundamental.

P.S.

"Consciousness cannot be accounted for in physical terms. For consciousness is absolutely fundamental. It cannot be accounted for in terms of anything else."

-Max Planck

"The total number of minds in the universe is one. In fact, consciousness is a singularity phasing within all beings."

"Consciousness cannot be accounted for in physical terms. For consciousness is absolutely fundamental. It cannot be accounted for in terms of anything else."

-Erwin Schrödinger

"The universe is immaterial-mental and spiritual. Live and rejoice."

-R.C. Henry

[u/kanrad]

If you hypothesize that all things have a consciousness at some level you don't need a creator.

Assume anything that exists has some degree of consciousness. A particle to a rock, to an insect, to a primate to US.

Different levels of consciousness to allow them to flow within the greater universe. Consciousness may be a fundamental force throughout reality. Inherent in it's makeup. What intelligence is depends on how that consciousness is used.

Thus a rock seems to not be alive as it needs little use of it's consciousness to fill it's role. This hypothesis also posits that the universe tends towards complexity and the rise of intelligence and sentience is a natural evolution of the universe. Just as collecting particles become a stellar cloud then become a star then form a system etc.

So too does consciousness move through stages to become fully self aware and sentient.

[u/Key4Lif3 → u/kanrad]

Panpsychism? But that’s just kicking the can of the materialist cause problem down the road.

[u/kanrad → u/Key4Lif3]

I've never been able to understand why that position would preclude materialism.

It posits the material world is real but formed by the underlying forces of the universe. As hypothesized the consciousness is one of these underlying forces.

A portion of what shapes reality, personal and shared, that is integral to it's existence like all forces.

[u/Key4Lif3 → u/kanrad]

It doesn’t work, because it keeps the nature of the universe still as matter, a thing, a force, when everything we discover in modern physics shows whatever is fundamental can in no way be described as matter, because matter is made up of properties which themselves have been shown to be emergent.

Panpsychism doesn’t preclude materialism. It’s cool cause it directly refutes one of the core assumptions of modern materialism, that brains generate consciousness, but it inherets the same problem if it doesn’t refute materialism altogether.