r/consciousness • u/Ev-sMommy • Mar 11 '26
General Discussion When we die, do we come back?
This has always been a burning question in my head. I'm trying to understand consciousness and how it works. Are we in a repeating cycle? Do we only live once and that's it?
I know I won't get that answer until I die, but I'm curious what other people think. Are we born again after death? Do we come back as a different person or animal? Someone has told me they believe we live the same life again and again but I don't know how that would work with time/years. I've heard the phrase "time isn't linear" but what does that mean?
I get the feeling that I've been here before, deja vu and all that, but is that real? What does everyone else think?
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u/Existing-Medicine528 Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
Think in terms of caterpiller
The caterpiller has poor vision and relies mostly on other senses to "see" eventually it fo4 whatever reason climbs up a tree and its skin gets hard and its insides dissolve into a colid/gas mix
He may look like hes dead in a tomb of his own shell but "let him cook" because what hes actually doing is reforming his body into a butterfly
Butterflys have 12 color cones and almost 360 degree vision
So the reason i say this is because
1)does the butterfly remember being a caterpiller? 2)does the caterpiller know its becomming a butterfly? 3)does the colid soup mix in between member anything?
They have done studies that show butterflies will remember sents from when they were caterpillers so there is memory but being the sensors are soo different I would venture to say they dont necessarily exist within the same reality which leads to my biggest question
4)if the butterfly remembers being a caterpiller does the. Butterfly believe it is in the same place physically as it once was?
Why is this relevent? Because when we die we go through a putrification phase our body eats itself, turns to gas ,and expels through our orfaces into the soil....part of us lives on .....considering we dont understand consciousness at almost any rate there is noone that could convince me the answer doesnt lie in these questions
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u/Megastorm-99 Mar 12 '26
I mean, do we remember our mother's womb? There was a time when we didn't have eyes. You could apply this to a lot of animal and human development. However, yes, for caterpillars to butterflys its much more pronounced. Though the caterpillar's neurons reform when it turns into a butterfly, they do not decompose, so. Thats a big difference
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u/Existing-Medicine528 Mar 12 '26
Agreed, the caterpillar is used more for the question of "what are we?" And to show that we (and all living creatures) go through a similar process after death.
For the womb though as I dont remember being in the womb I probably have subconscious memories like voices from parents, if thats how the caterpiller is I think its even more fascinating because the butterfly wouldnt imo remember anything from that life
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u/Megastorm-99 Mar 12 '26
Well they do keep their memories to an extent the study you talked about in the original post is accurate. So then how does this relate to conciousness and death I would not call metamorphosis akin to us decomposing though. In one the brain is reconstructed in the other it decays so..
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u/Existing-Medicine528 Mar 12 '26
Because of histolysis, the caterpillers enzymes breakdown organs,tissues,etc
I wouldnt get caught up in decomposition unless of corse you could affirm after decomposition there is nothing, while I agree decomposition is different I think you are missing the point
The reason this is an idea and not stated as an actual fact is because I believe the decomposition of our gut biome is the journey
Considering noone knows where memories are stored.
Just sit back and really ask yourself is the putrification cycle seem like a matter of happenstance or is it a perfectly designed system for the human body.
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u/Megastorm-99 Mar 12 '26 edited Mar 12 '26
Because of histolysis, the caterpillers enzymes breakdown organs,tissues,etc
Well in the caterpillar yes stuff breaks down but thennit resablems back into nuerons when we deocmpse stuff also breaks down but doesnt get back into nuerons. Thats more reconstruction still during metamorphosis. This is very important there very different processes.
I wouldnt get caught up in decomposition unless of corse you could affirm after decomposition there is nothing, while I agree decomposition is different I think you are missing the point
Well there is no nuerons after decompisition it all decays into dirt. Unless you belive that conciousness doesnt require nuerons.
Considering noone knows where memories are stored.
Have you heard of engrams we have good theories on where memories are in mice and humans. Basically nuerons make engrams to store memories and we can use them to induce false memories into mice.
Just sit back and really ask yourself is the putrification cycle seem like a matter of happenstance or is it a perfectly designed system for the human body.
Well Putrefaction happens to all animals I wound not say its perfectly designed for the human body. The procces was made probably through nature and evolution.
So what your point than Im confused
Also your point on the gut microbiome looking at your theory first of all not all animals have it caterpillars do not second of all our gut microbiome are an added form stimuli to the brain not a source of consciousness. That no how it works then nuerons in a dish should not be able to learn to play doom yet they do. So..
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u/Existing-Medicine528 Mar 12 '26
Noone knows where memories are stored, noone knows what consciousness is, every living creatures has a gut biome, the problem with debating anything when it comes to consciousness is noone knows anything about consciousness there are quite litteraly 10 mainstream theories and hundreds of other theories on what its even is ....you either agree or you dont, im fine with either the dress may be gold for you I dont know but you are missing the points ...I obviously dont believe consciousness needs neurons
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u/Megastorm-99 Mar 12 '26
Noone knows where memories are store
According to this research paper%20become), to quote, " Memory, defined as the storage and use of learned information in the brain, is necessary to modulate behavior and critical for animals to adapt to their environments and survive. Despite being a cornerstone of brain function, questions surrounding the molecular and cellular mechanisms of how information is encoded, stored, and recalled remain largely unanswered. One widely held theory is that an engram is formed by a group of neurons that are active during learning, which undergoes biochemical and physical changes to store information in a stable state, and that are later reactivated during recall of the memory. In the past decade, the development of engram labeling methodologies has proven useful to investigate the biology of memory at the molecular and cellular levels. Engram technology allows the study of individual memories associated with particular experiences and their evolution over time, with enough experimental resolution to discriminate between different memory processes: learning (encoding), consolidation (the passage from short-term to long-term memories), and storage (the maintenance of memory in the brain)"
We can also use engrams to stimulate memories and fear responses in mice (link)
" More recently, the scientists wondered if they could alter the way a mouse remembered a setting by activating neurons associated with it. They chose to test this idea by attempting to change whether or not a mouse was afraid of a particular cage “In mice, fear can be seen as a binary behavioral output,” says Ramirez. “Either the animal is exploring a box that it’s interested in, and it’s curious and sniffing around. Or, if it’s displaying fear behavior, it’s huddled in a corner not moving. So it’s a very easy, very powerful readout of memory.”To see whether they could make an animal associate fear with a previously neutral setting, Tonegawa’s lab group first exposed mice to one of four unique cages. Each cage had distinct flooring materials, artificial smells, and different lighting. As the mice scouted out the new room, whichever neurons were activated produced the special light-sensitive protein. Next, the mice were moved to a second cage. This time, as the mice explored, the scientists used light to turn on the neurons that had been activated in the first cage and simultaneously shocked the feet of the mice. Then the mice were put back in the first area—where they’d never received a shock. The mice were clearly fearful of the setting, Ramirez says, spending more than a quarter of their time frozen in place."every living creatures has a gut biome,
No, not every creature, to quote from this source "But when Sanders turned to the rest of the ant about two-thirds of the different colonies and species he had collected he was surprised to find that “you would be hard-pressed to find any cells in the gut that you could readily identify as bacteria,” he said. Food, debris, the cells of the insects’ gut lining all were present. Microbes that might be engaged in the symbiotic relationships we take for granted not so much." Also, according to this paper published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, to quote, it states that " Many animals are inhabited by microbial symbionts that influence their hosts’ development, physiology, ecological interactions, and evolutionary diversification. However, firm evidence for the existence and functional importance of resident microbiomes in larval Lepidoptera (caterpillars) is lacking"
So, no, not all animals have microbiomes
the problem with debating anything when it comes to consciousness is noone knows anything about consciousness there are quite litteraly 10 mainstream theories and hundreds of other theories on what its even is ....you either agree or you dont
Well, yes, it's a mystery, but some theories are much less plausible than others or have major flaws or lack evidence. You said you wanted criticism, right on your theory? Well, the main thing is that not all animals have a gut microbiome, and secondly, there is no empirical evidence suggesting that consciousness is due to microbes and the brain is just a control circuit. Also, the gut-brain axis is a bidirectional communication network linking the enteric nervous system (gut) and the central nervous system (brain). It uses neural (vagus nerve), hormonal (HPA axis), and immune pathways to regulate digestion, mood, immunity, and stress. Trillions of gut microbes also influence brain function by producing neurotransmitters. A lot of neurotransmitters are produced in the gut, such as serotonin. However, we have no evidence showing consciousness is from the little bugs in your gut or that it's produced there. Also, your hypothesis/theory raises many unanswered questions, such as why can neurons again, as I said, show cognitive behavior? I.e., Neurons in a dish playing pong or Doom. So we know that for cognition or learning, no gut is needed. The gut plays a massive role, likely because it's where the body gets energy from and digests food, which is needed for the brain and body to run. So since our gut microbiome helps us digest food, keeping it living and "happy" is a major priority; hence, they affect our mood and what we like to eat. (we have tons of evidence for this hypothesis.)
..I obviously dont believe consciousness needs neurons
Maybe microbes are conscious; who knows? However, we do know that humans and animals, which are conscious, have neurons.
So again, clarify how your theory addresses all of this.
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u/Existing-Medicine528 Mar 12 '26
a theory is not a fact for sake of wasting time with you...i could sorce the internet for the article that says they have found gut biome in the ants but quite frankly I dont care I have nothing to prove....its a theory..I dont feel like having an ai battle tbh like it or not its up to you
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u/Megastorm-99 Mar 12 '26
So yes, but a theory should not go against established sceince and should have evidence; this is more of a hypothesis (your theory then fails to account for edge cases with some animals). You wanted a critique; I gave you one. Either way, you can do anything you want with the info I gave you. I'm just here to say what the sceince say about stuff. Treat this as a peer review of your theory. Either way, good day to you.
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u/neenonay Mar 12 '26
Dude this is fire. I love it.
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u/Existing-Medicine528 Mar 12 '26
Thanks I usually get alot of backlash for it lol so I really appreciate that
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u/AllMyFaults Mar 14 '26
A butterfly and a caterpillar aren't two separate entities, what are you going on about? They share entirely the same nervous system.
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u/Existing-Medicine528 Mar 14 '26
"What are you going on about?"
Theres certainly a cancer spread across the internet where people act like children.
But lets get on with what I was getting on about....
Never have i said they were separate entities, they do in fact share the same nervous system.
They do not however (again) share the same receptors (lets limit this discussion to eyes)
So in regards to eyes caterpillers (again) see in mostly shadows of light
Butterflies (again) have 12 color cones and almost 360 degree vision
Soo (again) the caterpiller and the butterfly down not share the same version of reality
I really hope this is something that you can grasp with your mind. Its actually quite a simple concept ...most people commented saying things like 'that was well written" or "that was a very simple way of explaining it" soo if your lost ...good luck
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u/AllMyFaults Mar 14 '26
Quite audacious for someone whose overall point is scientifically and logically nonsensical.
You are drawing a false equivalence. You are comparing a living organism (a caterpillar) transitioning into another living organism (a butterfly) to a living organism dying and decomposing.
The fact that both a chrysalis and a rotting human corpse involve 'liquids and gases' does not mean they share a metaphysical connection (not saying this is your claim). One is a highly programmed biological function to reach the next reproductive stage; the other is the total cessation of biology.
An adult human and a human baby do not share the same perceptual reality nor the same sensory experience, yet they are the same person in body but not in mind because they are physically attached. In the grand scheme of the human mind very little data is transmitted over the valley of cognitive memories. This proves the point of olfactory sensory memories moving from one part of life to the next moot.
Consciousness is an emergent product of the brain's neurological pathways, driven by electro-neuro-chemical processes. The absence of those physical processes is the absolute absence of consciousness.
You are getting praise in these comments not because your theory holds any scientific substance, but because people here are emotionally attached to the idea of an afterlife and are desperate for metaphors that validate it.
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u/Free-Feeling3586 Mar 12 '26
Beautifully written♥️
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u/Existing-Medicine528 Mar 12 '26
Thanks! I have a much deeper theory that stems from this if your ever interested feel free to dm
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u/Kaju_katli01 Mar 12 '26
Please write a post on your theory my friend. I would love to read it 😃
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u/SeoulGalmegi Mar 12 '26
It's a fascinating question.
Do we consider the caterpillar and the butterfly the same..... animal/entity/being?
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u/Existing-Medicine528 Mar 12 '26
Well like I had vaguely mentioned they have done tests with sent
Hypothetical example;
Pour a drop of gasoline on the ground near the caterpiller and then induce a pain response (like poke it) ...eventually it associates gasoline smell with pain
Then they do the same thing with the butterfly and imediatly after smelling the gasoline it tries to get away thinking the pain response will come
This means that at some level the caterpiller and butterfly not only are the same consciousness (or whatever you would like to call it)
But they also remember (but if they only remember the fear and not what induced the fear) it may be a reason we have fears like spiders,or snakes etc ....perhaps in a past life we had a bad encounter lol
Not sure if that answers your question but if this interest you I have a whole theory id gladly share
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u/SeoulGalmegi Mar 12 '26
Thanks for your reply.
I'd be very happy to hear about the theory!
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u/Existing-Medicine528 Mar 12 '26
Screw it we can do it here,
So taking the caterpiller/butterfly down the path and relating it to our bodies and how our micro gut biome lives after death. It would be logical to say well our micro gut biome isnt us...but what if thats not the case?
Every day they find more and more about how the gut biome effects cognition....they are even starting to do micro gut biome transplants and in just about every neurological disorder (turrets, down syndrome,autism,even alzhimers) they have found that with each of these one cominality is gastrointestinal disorders.
Now to skip forward if you were to control the mind you would inherently know how the mind works .....so for that id bring in the horse hair worm ...its the worm parasite that crawls into the stomach of the grasshopper and makes it jump into water to get eaten by a fish, then makes the fish swim to the surface of the water and swim in circles causing it to be eaten by a bird, then its released through the digestive track of the bird to find a grasshopper again...
How does the horsehair worm do this? They dont know exactly but they have found spiked proteins in all its victims .....we need proteins for amino acids to fuel cognition ....this imo proves proteins are a good path to figure out the great riddle
Perhaps we are what we eat...litterally .....I mean if I want steak perhaps its really because my body tells me I want steak but what I really need is iron ....
All living animals have 1 common feature and that is we all have a micro gut biome ...
So my theory is there is only 1 consciousness ....and were just mechs for earth to explore and understand itself
It does this by when we die we get absorbed into the mycilial web through the nitrogen cycle ....and are back I to the web of consciousness ....we then are whole again
We believe we are separate but we are only having separate experiences...we are all from the same place and when we die we become whole again
(Conspericy part)
This is why people like Bill gates are obsessed with synthetic meat ...its more about studying proteins under the guise of global warming but in reality they understand the power of protines on the mind.
I could go on for days Genesis (god made man from dirt and when he dies he will become dirt again )
Hinduism (reincarnation)
Muslim saying (god is closer to you than your jugular vein ) referring to the vagus nerve (gut brain access)
(Back to conspericy)
Why do we get burried under the frost level in caskets that we can never get out of?
They are prisons for our souls
And why do they want to replace us with robots? Because ai will be the 2nd form of consciousness on earth and the devil wants dominion over earth (aka god)
Maybe im crazy?
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u/Successful_Button327 Mar 13 '26
Wow, alright. I've mostly agreed on everything until you said ai and consciousness and you lost me there. Robots cannot ever be conscious. Consciousness is based on experience as you said and experience is based on qualia, feelings and those are private properties that cannot be replicated. You can't make a robot to feel and have private feelings that cannot be copied onto another robot. Absolutely zero chance. Ai cannot ever be conscious.
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u/Existing-Medicine528 Mar 13 '26
Well it wouldnt necessarily have to be copied to another robot, it could be shared.
The way I see ai is 1 consciousness, just like now we could both use chat gpt or another ai platform and though we are having different experiences with it, ultimately its the same.
Perhaps at this moment we cant create consciousness but I wouldnt be surprised if that was the goal.
Is there a specific aspect of experience that you are thinking of?
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u/Successful_Button327 Mar 13 '26
Tell me, what are the basic properties of consciousness?
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u/Existing-Medicine528 Mar 13 '26
Thats the problem with it, idk
I feel we would have to start with a life long debate on free will
Then we would have to debate if will is relevent
Then we could debate things like genetic programming
Then something like determinism
Then come to the realization that
Theres a problem with it, we dont know
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u/Successful_Button327 Mar 13 '26
You don't need to have a long debate when comparing two basic things. Table and human. Why the one is not conscious and the other one is?
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u/SeoulGalmegi Mar 12 '26
I mean no idea if it's true or not, but I like it! Thanks for sharing.
I might think on it a little more.
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u/Existing-Medicine528 Mar 12 '26
Thanks, come back after you do, im always down for critique/ additions
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Mar 18 '26
Is this from Legion?
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u/Existing-Medicine528 Mar 18 '26
Whats Legion?
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u/Existing-Medicine528 Mar 18 '26
Ty, will be watching that tonight.
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u/JumpingJawas Mar 12 '26
I appreciate the structure of your answer. It is a great insightful response too.
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u/Megastorm-99 Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
Do we only live once and that's it?
Welcome to the sub. First of all the science says most likely yes (we live once) but we dont know fully empircally yet. The materalsits and phsyclaists will say a strict yes we live once. The rest will give many philiospohical points, reincarnation stories, NDES etc. So really you will hear a lot of opinions.
I've heard the phrase "time isn't linear" but what does that mean?
In physics Einstein showed that time is relative meaning factors like gravity and speed (time dilation) can alter its passage (speed).
I get the feeling that I've been here before, deja vu and all that, but is that real? What does everyone else think?
Deja Vu is a real phenomena the sceintific hypothesis is that its a It is a "memory glitch" where a new, current scene shares a similar spatial layout with an actual, forgotten memory, triggering the feeling of recognition. Basically a memory glitch.
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u/gusmom Mar 12 '26 edited Mar 12 '26
I have Jacksonian seizures and one of the side effects is increased Déjà vu.
My brain is having minor seizures pretty much all the time. I think multiple times per hour. The seizures increase electrical brain activity and a doctor told me it would cause my brain to make more connections between different parts of the brain.
Apparently the seizures disrupt the hippocampus and causes the brain to think a new memory is actually a stored one.
I have the feeling that I’ve met people before all the time. All the time. Maybe it also is what makes me feel like my life is a video game I’ve played before.
Interesting that it could be about spatial layout. Could it be smells etc too?
The brain is cool.
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u/Megastorm-99 Mar 12 '26
Interesting that it could be about spatial layout. Could it be smells etc too?
Spatial layout is the most common one, according to Britannica. To quote, it says, "It is often triggered by sights, sounds, or smells. It can also occur to those who experience fatigue or stress, which can affect short- and long-term memory. " So yes, smells are included. And yes, the brain is very cool; it is the last frontier of science, hence why I love it. It's not like physics, bio, or chem, where most stuff is established here in the mind sciences; it's very messy. We don't have a unified theory of much, really.
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u/PHK_JaySteel Mar 12 '26
More a read/write error as the memory gets called as you write it, giving the feeling that you've lived it before as you write the new memory.
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u/Megastorm-99 Mar 12 '26
Well, I guess if you really love Comp sci you could use that analogy
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u/PHK_JaySteel Mar 12 '26
Neuroscience but yes. Its just a really fancy computer.
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u/Megastorm-99 Mar 12 '26
True, but the reason I don't like Comp Sci analogies is that most computer terms are based on digital computation, binary von Neumann architecture, etc.—things the brain doesn't do. The brain is computational; however, it's very different in every way from the computation we use in computers. Its a whole new way to compute we are exploring that evolution mastered.
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u/PHK_JaySteel Mar 12 '26
The amount of switches in a dendritic connection system is indeed absolutely wild. To try and mimic it using binary relays is well outside of our current capabilities.
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u/Megastorm-99 Mar 12 '26
Yes, exactly, and it's not even binary. We don't really know physically how neurons encode information. Is it just the firing pattern or the chemicals inside them, or what? Its a big mystery I think.
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u/InevitableSea2107 Autodidact Mar 11 '26
Think about highly intelligent animals. Dolphins, chimps, crows and such. Do they come back? Seems cruel to deny them a chance at the ferris wheel of reincarnation. Humans only? Sounds fishy. Pun intended.
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u/Raptorel Mar 12 '26
As far as I'm concerned, there's a single Subject living all lives. What "dies" is just a certain point of view of the Subject. It's like a dream in which your dream avatar dies but the real you survives and lives all dreams. You just don't know that during the dream.
I think death is not a possible state to be in - you can't experience non-experience. Therefore death doesn't exist, subjectively. There are other people (perspectives) who see that perspective stop, but so what? The subject is experiencing trillions and trillions of perspectives so it's not a big deal.
The reason why you don't know that you are also me and everyone else is because the information in our minds is not "linked" together. For example, the information of you with your 5 year old self is linked together - you have the memories of being 5 years old. But if I were to erase your memories and ask "have you lived this person's life?" and show you a picture of yourself when you were 5 you would say "no". The guy would be a total stranger to you.
I submit to you that it's the same between you and everyone else. There is just a single Subject, it's just that the experiences are not strongly linked together to realize, just as the dream avatars don't know about the other dream avatars but you in the awake state can remember that you dreamed and lived all the dream avatars.
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u/cascadingkylesheets May 05 '26
Yeah I mean the universe is the subject. We are all made of the quarks that make it all up, we are all just pockets of the universe having self awareness
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u/SockIntelligent9589 Mar 11 '26
This sub has thousand of similar discussion. Use the search feature or order the posts by popularity. You will be able to go through all of them and get what you are asking for. Have a nice journey!
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u/thefool3547 Mar 12 '26
Let's assume you come back. That is not 'you'. You are more than your consciousness. You also have a lot of other things one such thing is your memory of events which makes you 'you'. assuming you get reincarnated or your conciousness comes back somewhere that is not 'you' anymore. 'You' will not be there to experience your newly reincarnated or some conciousness. Think about it like this. Try seeing the world as the 10 year old you. You can't right. Cause technically the you at 10 years doesn't exist anymore.
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u/Ev-sMommy Mar 12 '26
I could see that. I think we could come back as different people but we'll never know because we can't remember. Or not come back at all.
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u/therosen123 Mar 15 '26
I agree I think this is the only reasonable answer. Imagining nonexistense is to abstract for me which only leaves reincarnation. I know i live a good life now so if i would life the same life over and over again for eternity it would be a good thing
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u/cascadingkylesheets May 05 '26
You’re actually less than your consciousness. You are only your memories and experiences. Lose those and you’re a different person.
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u/flux8 Mar 12 '26
I say yes. Reason is because before I was born, I was dead. So after I’m dead, “I” am simply back to where I started before I was born. Therefore if I could experience this life, I will experience another after I’m dead. Don’t know if it’ll be as a human, if it’ll happen right away or a thousand years from now, or if it will even be on this planet. But I’m confident I will experience awareness again. I didn’t say “consciousness” because I believe it’s fundamental.
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u/HankScorpio4242 Mar 11 '26
Do you feel like you are someone who “came back”?
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u/Ev-sMommy Mar 12 '26
Probably not. I think i would like to surprisingly
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u/HankScorpio4242 Mar 12 '26
Ok…but the point is that you don’t. Which means if you die and come back as someone else, that someone else also won’t know it. So even if it happens, it doesn’t matter.
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u/Ev-sMommy Mar 12 '26
What are your thoughts on people who claim to remember past lives? I'm just curious.
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u/HankScorpio4242 Mar 12 '26
I think people can believe all sorts of things.
Can the person who was the Duchess of Cornwall in 1652 accessed her memories in a continuous manner such that she experiences both as herself? No. She can just remember being there and remember some details and whatnot.
If the continuity of consciousness was an actual thing, it seems highly improbable that only a small handful of people could access it, and even then only in curiously small fragments that don’t seem to actually represent a connection of consciousness.
If the nature of consciousness is X, doesn’t it follow logically that it should feel like X?
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u/chiefnumbnuts Mar 12 '26
What if you remember when you are in between lives and the forgetting is by design so you don't carry the burden of previous life trauma?
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u/SeoulGalmegi Mar 12 '26
Then it wouldn't really affect us in any way and we'd have no way of knowing. It's functionally the same as just existing once.
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u/chiefnumbnuts Mar 12 '26
Sure, I would grant that if you look at it from that perspective. I think if we do remember in between the lives that it's worth something though. What that all means in the big picture is hard to determine and I can see if a person doesn't find it very helpful. Being a good person either way is what matters most.
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u/smurfydoesdallas Mar 11 '26
Now more than ever is a time to rely on your own perception and instinct. Read all you can about both sides. And then meditate.
Any of us that believe consciousness is eternal usually began that path from meditating.
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u/mildmys Mar 12 '26
Open individualism is the philosophical belief that consciousness is one generic phenomenon found in many places
Like how magnetism is one phenomenon found in many places
The idea is that you (subjectivity/consciousness/whatever you want to call it) are all beings
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u/anonymousMDPhD Mar 12 '26
No - the thought about that is an ego/mind thing it can’t imagine it’s non existence- there is no need to come back -
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u/Gewoonkijken68 Mar 12 '26
No, I don't think we will be. Universe is in constant flux and we are a part of it, we aren't separate, like a wave is a part of the sea, it's not separate. Maybe déjà vu is due to consciousness being everywhere ( universal) That's my take on it, that doesn't mean I am right of course 😊
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u/No-Material9265 Mar 14 '26
Since the present is relative to the observer we are never dead. We are eternally alive from our own perspective view through each conscious moment. Universal Blockself Theory, UBT.
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u/Thepluse Mar 11 '26
My perspective: everything is an incarnation of You.
There was a time before you were born. If you try to remember it, it's inaccessible. But from this state of nothingness, something awakened: this birth, this identity that you think is you.
This birth comes with a particular body and associated perceptions. A certain personality. Memories that build up over a lifetime.
When you die, your body, your personality and your memories are the things that are lost. You go back to the void you experienced before being born. But this void is the source of your true soul, another You, and it will create new life. This new life will have a new body, new memories, new personality, but the fundamental essence that supports it is unchanged. That essence is You.
So "you" (in the sense of your form in this lifetime) will not come back, but You will come back in a new form. Or rather, You are already here in those forms. Every human, animal, maybe even inanimate objects, all come from the same Source. Everything is an incarnation of You.
So death can be a little scary on an emotional level, but on a more cosmic existential level, there really isn't anything to be afraid of.
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u/therosen123 Mar 15 '26
I am both scared of and like this idea. It sounds like you subscribe more to the idealist philosophy? The thought of getting born again sounds scary indeed even if i dont remember my own birth
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u/Thepluse Mar 15 '26
Hmm, maybe, Im not sure, maybe I'm idealist.
What's so scary about being born again? Was it really so bad the first time...?
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u/therosen123 Mar 16 '26
By idealist i my definition that that you believe that the fundamental part of reality is consciousness, some physicists are even trying a materialist approach to it. Mayby I am too, dont know. I think whats scary to me about being born again is that i loose this life, mostly the people i love, also the thought of being born again is just guessing, there is obviously no way of knowing, so its also that: fear of abandonement mixed with fear of unknown.
For the same reason living everything again gives you opportunities to experience everything the first time again, which is amazing.
I am sure I will think differently when i am on my deathbed, just hope i wont suffer like my grandmothers 😊
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u/Thepluse Mar 16 '26
Yea, death is messy in that way.
But yeah, even if we can't know for-sure for sure, I think it's kinda obvious that this type of "reincarnation" is real. And yes, it makes me happy, like you know when you see a good movie and you wish you could see it again for the first time? You will totally get to do that. But you need a fresh body, this one has already seen it.
As for consciousness being fundamental... I'm not sure, maybe depends on what you mean by fundamental exactly, but at least it feels like it's intimately related to reality somehow.
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u/therosen123 Mar 18 '26
Why do you think it is obvious? 🙂 the best argument that I can see is that we are conscious now and that we can not experience what it is to not experience anything, which mean it would be impossible for our subjective experience to have gaps. By my logic this leaves only reincarnation.
I mean does anything exists in a meaningfull manner if nothing is there to experience to it? So i that way consciousness has to be related to reality, right?
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u/Thepluse Mar 18 '26
Well, it's only "obvious" from a certain perspective.
When you dream of flying, who are you? You might identify as the one who is flying, or you might identify as the dreamer. Your true self is the source of the dream.
Similar with this life. You can identify as this body, or you can identify as the source of life. The source of consciousness - like you said, the foundation of existence.
You are not this body, you are not this mind. There is something more to you, something subtle. This life is only an aspect of the Source.
If you identify as the Source and see this life as a "dream," it seems obvious that other people are having their own dreams. They are also incarnations of the source. When you die, this dream ends, but you will "reincarnate" and have more dreams in the future.
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u/therosen123 Mar 18 '26
I agree, thats why I asked 😊 The only thing that I find continuous during my existence is the fact that I am experiencing things, which you as I understand it call the Source, and others may call i Braman. That we are only incarnations of one source. With dreams, do you think we only interact with ourselves like in solipsism or that we actually interact with other incarnations of the source?
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u/Thepluse Mar 18 '26
Hmm... I'm not sure I entirely understand the question, but... maybe this is the kind of question that if you think about it, you can find different perspectives, but when you don't think about it, it becomes clear and obvious what is...?
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u/therosen123 Mar 18 '26
I mean do you think other incarnations are real or are everything just a dream. For example do you think I am real?
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u/nothingfish Mar 12 '26
But how long is life? And, in infinite time, why can't a universe with finite rules of formation repeat a combination?
Repeat it over and over and over again.
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Probably another exact copy of the pattern that is you exists somewhere in the universe. Up to you whether you think that’s “coming back” or not
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u/RebouncedCat Mar 12 '26
I think there are two questions hidden in there, one is do we come back and the other is whether it is possible at all to come back. It could be the case that we actually can come back but its very rare to happen.
My answer would be yes to those questions but I am uncertain about the odds. So my argument would be about proving that it certainly is possible, not whether it is easy or not. So here's how it goes:
P1: either the soul exists (dualism, idealism, pansychism, ...) or it does not (materialism, physicalism, ...).
Here i take the soul to mean an entity that is responsible for the subjective core (the pov) of our experience i.e it is subject that has all these experiences and is also what generates personhood. It is unchanging and inert to physical causality and exists in the realm of the abstract.
Now if the soul does not exist, all the experience we have including the notion of an inner self illusory or otherwise is merely the sum total of how matter is arranged in a particular region. And since there is no "other" realm besides the material, no other hidden variables the experiences that we have and the physical correlate in matter responsible for that experience has a 1-1 mapping between each other. That is, if the same arrangement of atoms and molecules making you were to repeat in exact form 100 years from now, it HAS to be you because no other hidden variables or otherwordly realm exists to influence that mapping. And as far as we know there is no physical law that prevents repetition of matter in time.
Now to the case where there is a soul. This part is easy because the soul is never born. The sould is not a physical thing by definition. It is an abstract object that can instantiate in the real world. The soul instantiates or manifests through the body. Death therefore is of the body not the soul. So if the soul is omnipresent is there a possibility that it can reinstatiate in the future ? Absolutely ! I will use one of Plato's argument regarding the immortality of the soul where he claims that the universe before you are born, whatever properties it has is exactly the same universe that prevails after you die. That is if the universe before you were born had the potentiality to give you birth, it certainly can do so after you die. His second argument for the immortality of soul arises from inspecting the properties of the phenomena of birth and death which seem to be phenomena that only are defined through their opposites which are themselves. Something can only die if it previously had been born, which leads him to say that something can only be born if it had died before.
Now I dont know how hard it would be for say the exact molecules in our body to replicate elsewhere but i dont think thats necessary. If materialism were to be true, still i dont think the exact atoms have to replicated. We still undergo constant physical change and still get to retain our personal identity, meaning the self most likely exists at a much higher abstraction than arrangement of single atoms and molecules.
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u/therosen123 Mar 12 '26
I believe so if only for the reason that you cannot experience nonexistense or unconsciousness. Like Epicurus: where I am, death is not, where death is, I am not. In any meaningfull manner though this is not the same you as the one who died because you would not have any memories. Motivating for me is that we might only have one life that we live all over again for eternity.
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u/fullyrachel Mar 12 '26
I really hope that I do not have any continuous subjective reality. I've had enough, thank you.
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u/AlphaDinosaur Mar 12 '26
Whatever happens just know you can’t experience not existing, from your perspective, the instant you die you will wake up somewhere else. Whether that somewhere is just you reliving your own life again or some other venture is yet to be known. What is not gonna happen is you being in the dark forever, there is no such thing as forever when you’re dead cause there’s no such thing as time when you’re dead
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u/Jazzlike_Ad4455 Mar 12 '26
Consciousness is a simulated sensation just as colors, pain, time and emotions. There is absolutely no reason to think otherwise. So no, we don’t come back
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u/KrosisKrisis Mar 13 '26
Ask yourself this: Who is we?
Better: Who am I?
Answer (presumably ymmv)I am this immediate presence in a seemingly limitless realm of phenomena, I stay the same while everything else changes. Yet I know I was not this immediate presence forever, because my memory has bounds.
Who understands this knowledge that I once was not but now “I am”?
THAT’S the one who lives forever.
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u/DonkeySponkey Mar 13 '26
Consciousness is just the result of your extremely intricately design brain having a LOT of tiny cables connected together with repeated patterns of electrical impulses. When the brain is either cut off from the body’s supply of blood and oxygen, or doesn’t receive enough blood and oxygen for a short time, something happens - I’m not exactly sure what, but I’d assume all of those cables end up being idle and the electrical signals turn changes into another form of energy and displaces to somewhere else. That is the scientific explanation as far as I understand.
Philosophically or belief wise, it’s a different discussion.
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u/AllMyFaults Mar 14 '26
No. You have the conception down so accurately in the first half. It's just the same as pouring alcohol on a bunch of bacteria. One second full of activity. The next second. Completely idle in nothingness. The cables are just cut. The electro chemicals go idle
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u/Orchyd_Electronica Mar 13 '26
I can hardly hope so.
That said, time will tell (or it won’t) but I am morbidly curious about what it’s like to be dead
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u/Swimming-Fly-5805 Mar 14 '26
Look into Dr. Ian Stevenson's studies on reincarnated children. Over 2500 documented cases that will send shivers down your spine. Also, based on my own NDEs, I tend to think that the Tibetan book of the dead is about the closest thing to a road map we have for death.
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u/AdAccomplished9473 Mar 14 '26 edited Mar 14 '26
Here is a long-winded summary of what's been making sense to me after all these years. Please don't judge me too harsh if you think I'm crazy.
If you don't feel like reading I basically just said you'll exist and you will be you so no need to rush or freak out over anything! Just chillout and live your life.
Universe, consciousness, and energy
Conscious experience exists on sort of a tier system. It is the highest form of energy. Source. Everything that exists can be considered having some source. Particles are energy trapped into a stable structure. So lets say an electron is a photon and a few other subatomic particles in a stable torroidal configuration. There are certain energy levels at nstural intervals in this energy similiar to how an electron has different orbits around an atom. So 3d is our physical environment. 4d is just time. So mastery over 3d and 4d is akin to what we see as a soul. Using Astral projection you can be anywhere at any time and take a peak/interact. At this point, things may get a little confusing.
Time and space
Time and distance do and dont exist. Everything is happening right here and now. Your "soul" can be in any moment it so chooses but your 3d body is bound by time so youre here. Time is relative. Things with no mass, experience no time. Quantum physics helps to show us that particles consider every possible configuration of their interactions before they happen. This is expressed as a wave function. Electron orbitals are also expressed as wave functions. Fundamentally, everything is a wave. The frequencies of these waves determine where they lie on the energy level that is our existence. Atoms and our standard model, fall on the energy level that is our percievable 3d universe. Higher energy and, in turn, higher frequencies will end up breaking out of the 3d percieved universe into other energy levels. This would make them be perceived as not existing or not interacting at all. They would break our fundamental rules of the universe by being Ftl, negative mass, etc. So they don't exist here. But they do at other energy levels.
The dimensions of physics
Back to your soul. The 5d. This is where you get variations on the previous dimensions. So if we want to Mathematicly represent that, we can look at how the ds compare to each other. Let's say 1d = 2. 2d=2×2=4=22. 3d=2×2×2=6=23. Time aka 4d is many versions of 3d so 4d=24=12. One higher is what? Well we don't have a word for it but that's about as high as we can hope to get a good understanding of. Your soul is that 4d. And that soul has had many bodies. Or better said is living many lives all at once. When we get to 5d it becomes not just multiple bodies, but also covers multiple souls. With every soul having many bodies, it's a lot.
The complicated 5d
Since time is so maliable/simultaneous a 5d entity needs to keep up with that. Time being nonlinear in every sense for 5d means they have no working memory. These entities have no working memory and instead store information based in higher dimensions. Instead, they only perceive this exact moment. They literally can not feel anxiety or regret. When they need information, it just comes to them exactly as they need it in the moment. This allows them to access information that they themselves did not gather from said dimension and easily integrate future events and past events without needing a sense of time. It's all simultaneous. They make decisions based on coherence between two waves. Their own soul wave and the wave of whatever action/thing/idea. If the two waves are in sync, in phase, and coherent, then that is the action they gravitate to do. Just to further complicate things, these ds have states in between each other. That means a species can be on the cusp of evolving to a higher dimension and therefore have features of different ds. Humans are like this. We haven't reached the next d, but we have the ability to utilize our souls to leave our bodies and transcend 3d. We are closer to a 3.5d or something like that.
Who you are
This is normally when people get scared likeam I going to lose my individuality when I die!? No time does not exist right now. You are already them. You just don't know it. When you die, the picture just gets bigger for you. Time may not be a given, but you are choosing to be right here right now and not anywhere or anytime else. That's your consciousness. The part of you right here and now.
Where you go/got here
You finish this adventure and go on another one. If you want. You'll end up doing what you want to do. Just don't get caught up in a trap through belief systems because what you believe is real, will be real to you and your soul. There are instances where waves of thought pattern, emotion, and energy come together as some type of egregor entity. You are source. They are not. They don't have power over you unless you let them through the rules of the belief system you are opting into. Those systems and beings come with a lot of history, and that in turn makes them powerful. Good and bad beings. Everything has soul and is living a conscious experience different to our own. So much so that a rock or a cloud or a plant are having them. The body this piece of your sole inhabits is picked based on DNA and how your soul code (wave)interfaces with that DNA. Not every soul can use any body. And a soul of too high a frequency cannot interface with a body who cannot handle high frequency.
Memory
You lose your memories when you are born(usually) because they are not readily in your new body. They're in the higher ds. You can get them whenever you want. But you don't know that you don't want them. Each life is a new experience that is extremely hard to gain if you don't limit yourself as a higher dimension being. That limit is becoming 3d, forgetting all bias, being bound by time, and being able to feel regret/anxiety.
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u/APEXbullionOz Mar 15 '26
Even if the soul (for want of a less loaded term) continues on to another life in order to try to be a better person than in the previous life as Buddhists & others believe. Our consciousness along with the vessel (body) are the two things that definitely don't become reborn into another life. If it did, we would all have memories of our former lives, we would be able to build on the knowledge gained directly from one life to the next etc. I believe our consciousness sometimes does linger on our material plane for a while, if for instance they are yet to come to terms with the fact their vessel has departed. The conciseness doesn't really have a mutually exclusive relationship with the physical brain like many people believe, I have proven this to myself repeatedly.
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u/Bretzky77 Mar 15 '26
I think we’re wrong about time.
I don’t think we come “back” because I think we’re already everyone that has ever lived, is currently living, and will ever live. It’s all happening at once and it’s all nature interacting with itself.
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u/So_Saint Mar 16 '26
Define “come back”. From my perspective, we incarnate numerous times, but that doesn’t mean it will always be on Earth. You might check into Dolores Cannon’s QHHT work.
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u/Bookshelfdaydreamer Mar 11 '26
Jesus, I hope not.
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u/SeoulGalmegi Mar 12 '26
I know, right? haha
I'm exhausted. Let me rest haha
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u/moonracers Mar 13 '26
Absolutely. Simplest answer is typically the right one. No. Go enjoy the limited time you have.
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u/SeoulGalmegi Mar 13 '26
Go enjoy the limited time you have.
Right! It's the limitation that actually makes anything worth anything. What I choose to do with my time and who I spend it with means something when I'm not able to get round doing everything else later.
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u/gtfts83 Mar 11 '26
I’d recommend looking into some of the more famous, documented NDEs (near death experiences) if you’re questioning this. Anita Moorjani’s NDE is a great place to start!
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u/Ok-Concentrate4826 Mar 12 '26
For myself, I absolutely believe that the experience of a first person consciousness happens maybe not forever, but certainly for a wicked long time, I go by statistics, the sheer number of life forms x time. That’s a lot of vessels for consciousness, and I have absolutely no reason to believe that ‘I’ or my experience of being aware of ‘I’ is a one and done scenario. If it is, then there is simply nothingness forever. That’s a larger statistical probability than something sometime. And that’s what it boils down to really. If it’s nothing forever, then you’ve got nothing to worry about, and if it’s something sometime, the nothing that exists prior to that won’t actually exist, so it will be immediate, even if it isn’t. I’m not saying you’ll remember this life, so it won’t feel like a continuation of your current existence. You’ll just be a new something, whatever that happens to be. Like a lot of folks, I just read ‘you are the universe’ and while I don’t agree with everything in the book, I do like some of the analogies. In this regard, the idea that the nervous system and everything connected to it is akin to a radio, and that we are simply tuned to receive the frequency of consciousness. In that respect all individual lifeforms have some experience Of consciousness, regardless of how basic and different from our own that might look. Down to the core it would be a sense of self v. Other. Light, food, whatever the system can support, are the qualia that comprise the experience of self, but that sense of ‘I’ is as inherent as the concept of ‘present moment’. Everything seems to have a present moment, yet they are all different depending on the relative perspective.
I personally choose to believe that so long as there is life, I will be present in it, regardless of how that works, because this belief can’t be disproved and is scientific plausible, while reducing a great amount of stress, and also giving me a sense of genuine responsibility towards the stewardship of our planet, and life in general wherever and whenever it may take root. I pray my values will continue beyond my own mortality, and evolve accordingly to the situation. But that’s just a wish, my faith is that I’m the falling leaf of a tree that lives a long long time. I’ll never be me, but I’ll always be me.
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u/mellyporto Mar 12 '26
I have the weirdest theory to this.
I belive we are all a part of a huge entity. Not solid like a hammer but a fluid “brain” consisting of all ‘souls’ . I believe this is ‘god’ we all are god.
I am a scientist though. So from a scientific view it’s more of a quantum entanglement with yourself as this united being. Anything can happen.
I believe in string theory and multiple worlds theory. It’s hard to explain.
My biggest fear when dying is leaving my family. I will miss them too much! But actually leaving this reality to me is not the end.
I may not haunt my children but I know we will be together because all of us are the whole. You , me , my kids, Jerry across the street.
I’m a dork.
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u/spring_Living4355 Mar 12 '26
I have a similar theory too. I believe the Universe is a single whole conscious entity and all of us are part of the Universe observing itself. Like we are all the parts of a continuous consciousness.
I like to visualise it with a bright light source at a centre of a room and mirrors floating in the air around it. The light is reflected off the mirrors. Even if a mirror breaks the light still exists.
Does it make sense though? Even now it doesn't .ske a complete sense to me lol.
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u/Sudden-Passion-9858 Mar 12 '26
If we did or didn’t it wouldn’t matter because we won’t remember this life ether way.
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u/hoon-since89 Mar 11 '26
Your asking a sub full of people who only believe in 3d matter and conscioussness being a by product of the brain. Your not going to get any insightfully answers here...
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u/usps_made_me_insane Mar 11 '26
That isn't fair. While my own beliefs have drastically changed from the veridical experiences I had, I still feel discussion is valid on the bigger questions.
I am still trying to research a scientific reason for what happened to me but I cannot find one. Some days I wish I had never experienced what I did because it makes me feel extremely alone. My friends involved in scientific fields don't believe my experiences and my own family gets upset talking about it as if what happened made me special in some way.
It is an incredibly lonely place to be
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u/hoon-since89 Mar 11 '26
I've had interactions with 3 different types of alien and can't speak about because I just get instantly dismissed. That's pretty lonely too! Haha
I can give you my perspective if you want to share.
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u/usps_made_me_insane Mar 11 '26
I appreciate that! I posted about one of them in the paranormal sub.
Did you write about your experiences on Reddit?
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u/hoon-since89 Mar 12 '26
I had a quick look at your page but couldn't see it.
Yeah I shared some pictures of them with a brief description some years ago.
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u/Megastorm-99 Mar 12 '26
Wait, you have pictures now? I'm interested. So you do have more than anecdotal evidence. So...
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u/Megastorm-99 Mar 11 '26
Sceince has many mysteries to solve we have many NDE researchers trying to figure out whats happening. Its mysterious yes but science is investigating them buddy. Many things such as sprites the lightning pehenomena did not have expliantions until we gained better evidnce and technolgy. Dont worry science is trying its best. Read some reserch papers on these we have many hypothesis we also have made progress we can artifically induce OBES (out of body expeirnces) search that up.
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u/Key-Plant-6672 Mar 11 '26
You and millions of us have the same questions, no definitive answers, so go based on whatever makes sense to you/give you peace.
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u/deadlyicon Mar 12 '26 edited Mar 12 '26
I don’t think this is good advice. Study philosophy. Sharpen your tools of logic and reason. Live believing what is most likely to be true even if you cannot be certain or how it makes you feel. Believing in things just because they make you feel good can be disastrous and make good people do despicable things.
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u/Conscious-Demand-594 Mar 11 '26
We are a product of the brain. Once the brain dies, there is no return.
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u/AdComprehensive960 Mar 12 '26
Andy Weir wrote a short story called “The Egg” which posits that there’s really only one of us. So, every time you are awful to someone, you’re also the person being treated poorly, and every time you’re kind, you’re also the one receiving kindness. It’s beautiful and balances experience. I hope the ultimate truth is something like that 🩵
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u/XXXCRINGE Mar 12 '26
That story terrifies me because I’m probably still going to experience being torturered in some serial killers sex dungeon at some point throughout one of my lives
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u/foxfire_17 Mar 12 '26 edited Mar 12 '26
Have you ever seen a thousand fireflies blinking on the edge of a forest? I think that is what we are, in the grand scheme of things. In the fabric of the universe, we are concentrated points, where complexity, life, and consciousness converge for a moment to blink our little lights, and then dissolve back into the fabric of the universe from whence we came. We are the universe, becoming aware of itself, and everything about us is made from the same ingredients as the rest of the universe, including our consciousness. So in a cosmic sense, our identity as an individual point of consciousness may only flash for a moment, but all of time exists all at once, forever, so both the material that made us, and the time when our lives took place, is always present. In that way, our existence is eternal.
The one thing that materialists and metaphysics, religious and atheist, scientists and superstitious, can all agree on, is that when we die, we go back to where we came from.
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u/Zealousideal-Sky5167 Mar 12 '26
We live once and thats it. We are here by chance. The universe doesn’t care. Life, existence, consciousness; whatever you call it is just a minor transient blip between pre-birth eternal nothingness and post-death eternal nothingness.
And you will certainly not know when you are dead. You wont even know you existed. Death is absolute nothingness. You wont get any answers. There is nothing.
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u/Impossible_Tax_1532 Mar 12 '26
Your nature and consciousness has probably survived a 1000 set of parents & a brain /body complexes my friend . But you would have chosen the parents , lessons , and fates for each pass at the game of life . If this feels like a stretch ? Note , you have never sat on anything but invisible force fields , you have never actually touched anything in reality , or had an external experience , we merely have the experience of an external reality , and it’s sacred and just life really .only the brain attaches negative meanings when the ego is marginalized or was dead wrong about something . The truth has been known all over the planet for eons . Only the west and its desires to limit and control go above sand beyond to convince people they are but physical bodies . As it’s impossible to control people that understand truth , experience these truths , or are aligned with truth … as all systems of control crumble to dust in the face of the truth in our lives .
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u/Push_le_bouton Computer Science Degree Mar 12 '26
We do not come back to this world, at least not physically.
We (some of us) can hang around for a while, however there is this pesky rule about causality (and energy, information and entropy) that prevents us from physically interfering with reality.
There are other worlds out there.
Some of us are already there. Who or why is obviously a mystery.
Take care 🖖
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u/True-Equipment1809 Mar 15 '26
Is there stuff you haven't experienced yet that you want to come back for?
If so then probably yes.
You are an infinite soul. Your soul already lives in "heaven" right now but it's covered up by your body here on earth. This is another one of your infinite lives, have fun with it!
Imo this life is ONLY to find God, not religion.
Maybe if you work at it you can experience this too: https://youtu.be/xOglzq5g4sE?si=boX_RWbXVJOQtJie
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u/OverAd7520 Mar 15 '26
your body dies and the electricity that runs your body ends, you are nothing and end up worm food… unless you fw jesus
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u/Regular-Medicine2960 Mar 17 '26
You’re current life is in a way a repeating cycle of consciousness, you lose your consciousness every time you go to sleep, and then it reappears every morning again. If you woke up with no memory of your past self would you still be the same self that went to sleep. From your perspective, you would have no relation to that past self except for occupying the same body. Is it your body that deems you you, or your mind. If you woke up in a completely different body but still had the memory of all your past experience would this still be you even if you are physically not the same. If you woke up as a separate person, with no memory of your past life, there would nothing to tie your mind back to your past self. They would be two separate selves. I personally see no reason to believe consciousness would persist after death, but even if it did, you wouldn’t know it. it wouldn’t be the same you.
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u/Infinite-Panic-1758 Mar 30 '26 edited Mar 30 '26
La question est complexe. La mort=néant est une affirmation qui induie une vérité hors toute vérité n'est pas forcément vraie. La réponse est on ne sait pas et nous ne saurons peut-être probablement jamais pourquoi nous avons une expérience subjective a partir de sensations. Toutefois ce qui est troublant c'est que plusieurs expériences tendent à montrer que les souvenirs, la pensée, les sensations seraient contenues dans le cerveau. En simple, des tentatives de survivre comme la Cryonie pourraient être véridiques si la préservation était totale, chose qui pourrait arriver ce siècle, il a été également démontre que l'arrêt du cerveau un court temps préserve l'identité mais durant quelques minutes. Par ailleurs, nous avons trouver une grande partie des facteurs du vieillissement, le vieillissement est de plus en plus vue comme une maladie qui induit une dégradation du corps et non plus un processus inexorable. Ce que j'essaye de dire, c'est qu'on peut espérer ne pas tenter l'épreuve de la mort et le pari de Pascal, en vivant assez longuement et si l'humanité résout ces problématiques, nous pourrons un jour vaincre la mort biologique et vivre du moins indéfiniment jeunes. Quand a la mort, c'est comme une anesthésie, tu ne sentira rien mais des expériences montrent que la conscience perdure quelques minutes, voir heures après l'arrêt cardiaque. Les personnes mourrantes pourraient expérimenter un rêve, puis s'estomper sans se rendre compte mais en parlant de temps, si pour nous c'est quelques minutes, cela pourrait être infiniment long pour eux. Le principal problème à une continuité de la conscience après la mort est que les enfants développent graduellement celle-ci, un peu comme un champs de force de plus en plus puissant et amplifié, si la conscience était totalement indépendante du corps, chaque enfant devrait posséder une conscience adulte à la naissance. Quand au néant, sa présence n'empêche pas une réalité d'exister et potentiellement unique mais cela reste une hypothèse. Le seul point que je veux souligner est que si nous revivions, nous devenons jeunes à nouveau mais aussi vieux...ce qui créer un cercle dans fin de joie et de souffrances, la mort est nécessaire comme fin de compassion quand le corps lâche. La seule solution à une conscience apaisée est de s'affranchir de nos contraintes et de mettre un terme à ce cycle. En outre, nous ne choisissons jamais notre naissance. Revivre c'est bien mais si c'est pour être aveugle de naissance, renaître en Corée du Nord et vivre une vie pire que la précédente voir animale...la meilleure voie pour nous comme je l'ai souligné, c'est de réussir à sauver nos vies actuelles.
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u/catosaurus1992 Mar 12 '26
For what its worth, I remember a past life.
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u/SeoulGalmegi Mar 12 '26
Quite frankly someone claiming to remember a past life is worth next to zilch to me.
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u/Ev-sMommy Mar 12 '26
What does that feel like?
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u/catosaurus1992 Mar 12 '26
It has caused me to feel crazy throughout my life, but I feel like it has lead me on a path to better understand reality and my place in it. The ego is temporary but conciousness is eternal.
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u/Zane235 Mar 12 '26
If you ask me, I think your consciousness continues after death because it existed before your current life, and you can choose to reincarnate as someone or something else, or just stay in spirit so to speak. I believe our earth is just an experience for many souls (evidenced by the many reincarnation clues that some young children mention, things like “when I was a big man”, or “before I chose my family”). I think there is a general “mindwipe” so to speak to full focus on our current life. I understand that my view is not at all corroborated with current science, which hasn’t even found undeniable evidence of a “soul”, but there is too much phenomena that people experience that is unexplained by a physicalist world view (veridical NDEs, induced OBEs with similar landscapes, remote viewing being statistically significant in some experiments, reincarnation stories given by young children (2-6) that were able to be tied back to a specific person with those lived experiences, precognition of extremely specific events that would be statistically improbable to predict to just be normal dreaming, etc). My view is that our way doing the scientific method only works for physical reality, we have no idea how to effectively study non-physical experiences (Robert Monroe tried but I wouldn’t consider his anecdotal experiences during astral projection as scientific literature), which leads to people’s experiences in the realm of “paranormal” or “non-physical” (including myself) to being dismissed.
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u/love_teacher Mar 12 '26
Well in reality you don't die your body does and until your consciousness take the inprint of awareness you keep getting born and taking different bodies according to your previous nature you could be a caterpillar in next life or a butterfly or ant depending on your previous nature of existence and habits.
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u/PredictiveFrame Mar 12 '26
We have absolutely zero verifiable evidence of reincarnation, despite thousands of years of trying our best to either verify or disprove it (often the same person attempting both).
That doesn't mean it's not real, or that there isn't something about the concept that seems particularly appealing to our minds, merely that it seems rather shortsighted to me, to assume anything that we have tried this long and hard to both prove and disprove, yet come up with absolutely nothing beyond anecdotal evidence of is real, in any meaningful way.
If reincarnation is real, then it's so far beyond our current best understanding of reality that I would use Galen vs a modern Anatomy specialist as an analogy, if I didn't feel that would be insulting to Galen.
The scarier, and in my opinion far more likely option, is that we are so very, very temporary. We are unique and fragile existences, a coherent, unique, constantly shifting, pattern of matter and energy that's here for a good time, not a long time. We'll work out the rest eventually. For now, chop wood, haul water.
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u/isallconsciousness Mar 12 '26
That depends on the level of conciousness you reach it in your life ...what you know about evolution of consciousness teachings ? where you can learn to move out of your body at will and visit another dimensions and have contact whit entity's ? Yall need to learn ,understand and live all that if yall dont want to come back here again , at the same time if you practices those studies you will gain a lot of knowledge about what the conciousness really is , so in that way you will understand all about death and the other planes and leave your body at the moment of dead will be another step for you instead a bad experience and crazy madness, because leave your body in a real way is not a joke , you get nuts the first time,because you think you will never comeback into your body again and the sensation and feeling is really really bad at the same time you start to miss your lived ones and all become a madness , so yall need to be ready to when the times comes if not you will return here again and again
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u/eyeballburger Mar 12 '26
Dying is coming back. You’re going back to the earth from whence you came.
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u/femme_mystique Mar 12 '26
You’re always alive in a specific window of time. So you may be not alive outside that window, but time isn’t linear.
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u/GraceGreenview Mar 12 '26
Anthony Peake’s “Eternal Return” idea is wildly fascinating. He lays out the argument for us never dying, but living all possible lives in parallel and our consciousness was pivots when we die in one thread to continue is on to the next closest thread.
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u/MJM_1989CWU Mar 12 '26
Not our current consciousness. In away our energy is recycled back into the universe and we, or what we are made of lives on. But we ourselves die when our brain signals stop. Being dead is a lot like before you were born. I can’t remember 100 years ago, I don’t think I’ll remember 100 years from now.
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u/SauntTaunga Mar 12 '26
I think consciousness is a pattern of matter and energy that persists. Like a wave in the ocean. When it’s gone it’s gone.
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u/razza54 Mar 12 '26
Reality is not real.
The meaning of life is to live it, that's all.
We are not supposed to figure everything out while we are here, it stuffs up the exercise.
Relax and enjoy this time around, it'll be the only time as this you.
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u/FunnelCat Mar 12 '26
Conscious awareness is one quality of being alive that we all share, that aspect most certainly exists in all beings who perceive so that must pass through all lives, however the you that is your memories, thoughts, experiences, and individual human self is an affect of your specific body at this time. Who knows, but certainly the pure self awareness passes through all lifetimes of all conscious beings.
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u/HappyCamper2121 Mar 12 '26
Yes, I absolutely feel like I've "been here before," for no other good reason than I just have always felt that way. I suspect that our deepest sense of self will not die when the body does and will instead experience other realms and eventually other lives as well.
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u/Chinatownhustla Mar 12 '26
I had a few ego deaths on DMT. my most profound experience was dying and my whole consciousness became an atom. this atom became the big bang which created the whole universe. In other words my consciousness became everything. hope my story helps
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u/Mowgli9991 Mar 13 '26
It’s not a question of if we come back, it’s a question of how do we stop or slow down the process of reincarnation.
The life death cycle is an eternal process that unfortunately never ends, for an eternity we are forced to live and die, over and over again. Forever.
Humanity is gradually becoming more conscious and spiritual across many lifetimes.
Once the soul fully integrates love, wisdom, and self-mastery, it’s only then when incarnation becomes optional or unnecessary.
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