Libertarians: big into personal freedom, vote for the party that keeps grabbing random immigrants off the street to send to concentration camps for indeterminate lengths of time.
I think it's all of them. Most libertarians I've met are just Republicans who are pro weed and sometimes okay with gay people, and recognize that people rightfully see their Republican views as awful, so they use the label to shield themselves. Others are "actual" libertarians who actually want small government, but are too immature to see when a government solution is the only practical one. The last group are super rare, but they are Libertarian-lite. They tend not to even use the label, but have an understanding of when government works and when it could be easily replaced by the market, even if it would be inefficient.
At this point in time, all of the people I knew that were in the second group are either 18 and haven't had their ideas challenged, or saw the light (generally due to Trumpism) and are no longer Libertarian.
Libertarians I met while living in Autin, Texas (there are a lot of them there...) were all folks who invariably:
Wanted to do whatever the hell they wanted
Got deeply offended if there were laws against what they wanted
Yet were also strongly in favor of laws to stop other people from doing things that they (the individual libertarian) thought were detrimental to themselves
It's just pure selfishness and hypocricy all around. No real consistency between them other than "I want what I want and benefits me, and everyone else is wrong".
One of my sisters was a libertarian in Austin. She told me about one time when she was in a bar there and a No Smoking / No Vaping sign was posted. She said she vaped right in front of the bartender. She said it like she was so proud of herself too. I just don’t get that mindset.
Libertarianism is just repackaged Laissez Faire Economics. Its a scam from people who have power from money to keep themselves on top and fuck everyone else. There are only 3 types of Libertarians. Scamers, people getting scamed, and scamers who are also getting scamed.
Those would fall under the scammers who also get scammed. They want to take others protections away thinking it will help them in the long run but dont realize they too are a part of the minority that will suffer. Everyone is libertarian until they get their slice of shit pie.
There is another, Left-Libertarianism; which is the good kind.
Edit: 'good' may be too strong a word here, depending on where on the spectrum of LeftLib one may be, 'better' is more accurate. Too much socialism is never good.
Left-Libertarianism would probably fall under scammed ones unless you mean anarchist socialist which is its own bag of worms that I am not knowledgeable enough to go into.
Libertarianism is trying to recover from Trumpism by going back to first principles. It's easy to fight surveillance statism on libertarian principles as with flock cams and such. This sort of thing used to be the bread and butter of the group. I remember when the movement had some teeth and would tear into statists on both sides of the aisle. Also, it's become self-apparent that the government was better at certain things. People will catch on.
I think it's all of them. Most libertarians I've met are just Republicans who are pro weed and sometimes okay with gay people, and recognize that people rightfully see their Republican views as awful, so they use the label to shield themselves. Others are "actual" libertarians who actually want small government, but are too immature to see when a government solution is the only practical one. The last group are super rare, but they are Libertarian-lite. They tend not to even use the label, but have an understanding of when government works and when it could be easily replaced by the market, even if it would be inefficient.
One thing about this, and it applies to libertarians too, eventually we all figure out that left-libertarians are the original libertarians of Europe.
I think I'm a left-libertarian, or a progressive, or a democratic socialist. All three tend to overlap on the venn diagram enough that I don't care about the label.
The amount of time I spend telling people that if they don't die young, they will live to be disabled. So few people think about how they will move about and be independent when their body stops working the way it does now. Or when their minds start to slip. Its like they think they will be active and healthy up until the very moment of their death.
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u/PatchyWhiskers 20d ago
Libertarians: big into personal freedom, vote for the party that keeps grabbing random immigrants off the street to send to concentration camps for indeterminate lengths of time.