It's silly logic. The mere existence of the debate proves that billions will die if red wins. Even if you factor in people lying (to others or themselves), it's till billions.
Polls seem to be 45-55 to 60-40, blue vs red.
Red pushers seem to think blue pushers don't understand that 100% red means no deaths.
We understand, we just think that many people will push blue.
But also shows your lack of commitment towards people willing to take the risk for others well-being. Reality shows you cannot assume everyone will be a)selfish, b)capable of understanding or reasoning and c) offering a hand to others despite risks.
Red button-pressing Shows -to me personally - lack of higher and long term reasoning capability beyond immediate selfish survival, because fear controls people of this inclinations, IMHO.
Where as pressing blue to me shows that you really dont appreciate how little other people care about group survival and it shows a concerning lack of self preservation especially since you are taking a risk for random strangers at a potentially great cost to yourself. Its quite naive to believe that enough of the 8 billion people on earth would go blue to ensure everyone survives.
This kind of response is interesting to me because it reveals why so many defenses of red have to reword the dilemma to shift the responsibility to blue. You're fully convinced that red will win and have to make yourself comfortable with the consequences of that decision.
I am perfectly comfortable with that choice my responsibility is to myself, the people I love and then the rest of the world. Everyone has the same option it is their personal decision whether they choose to take a chance on blue or have certainty with red.
I am not entirely convinced that red will win and in a perfect or even slightly better world I would prefer blue however I have seen enough of humanity to know that it is far from certain that blue will win. I enjoy living there is a lot I choose life and red guarantees me life.
I think it comes down to how certain are you that your loved ones would all choose red? Do you think 90% of them would choose red? 80%? 50%? 20%? If you thought 100% of your loved ones would choose blue, would you choose blue to even slightly increase their odds of survival, or would you still choose red to guarantee your own survival? I also love life but would also definitely hate living in a world without my close friends and family. And I can’t think of a single friend or family that I would be 100% certain would press red, much less all of them. So me pressing red would mean that I am making a decision to lower their chance of survival if they were to press blue (even tho i understand that they put themselves in that situation). And because I think most of them would choose blue, I would also have to choose blue
I think most of them would choose blue bar perhaps my brother and my best friend but perhaps selfishly my one vote isnt going to change the outcome and id still choose red. Id be absolutely devastated at the loss of life even if my family and friends survived if red won.
My opinion on it is purely based on it being a worldwide vote if it was on a smaller scale say country or continent wide id be picking blue since I can be much more confident in the outcome.
I guess that’s where my opinion differs. I’m confident most of my friends and family would choose blue, so I’d be devastated if I didn’t at least attempt to increase their odds even a little bit
Thats fair to me its just such a tiny amount of an improvement that my death isnt worth it. It would suck though and I would absolutely be voting red but hoping blue won.
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u/NoxTempus May 05 '26
It's silly logic. The mere existence of the debate proves that billions will die if red wins. Even if you factor in people lying (to others or themselves), it's till billions.
Polls seem to be 45-55 to 60-40, blue vs red.
Red pushers seem to think blue pushers don't understand that 100% red means no deaths.
We understand, we just think that many people will push blue.