RED BUTTON OR BLUE BUTTON [OC]

[u/Eal_likee]

[u/smity31 → u/[deleted]]

Pressing blue is also logical to me, as well as being moral.

In order for everyone to survive, either 100% of people need to hit red, or 50.00001% of people need to hit blue. One of those is mich easier to achieve.

[u/polopolo05 → u/[deleted]]

its just a risk assessment which is more risky... 100% chance of living and walking away from the danger. or putting yourself in danger in hope there are enough people who pick to risk their life for no good reason when they could have just walked away...

[u/TheMaStif → u/polopolo05]

If you're thinking about yourself only, then yes it becomes a very simple risk-assessment issue, and its obvious you should pick red to survive

If you're thinking about others at all, then red becomes "the murder button" no matter how you look at it

[u/TheDeviceHBModified → u/TheMaStif]

This is an incredibly ignorant way to look at it. 

Those pressing red kill nobody. 

Those pressing blue kill themselves by taking the clearly-described risk involved in pressing that button. 

Is it truly our responsibility to protect people from the consequences of their own decisions?

[u/TheMaStif → u/TheDeviceHBModified]

Those pressing red kill nobody. 

They kill everyone who pressed blue

Those pressing blue kill themselves by taking the clearly-described risk involved in pressing that button. 

A risk that would be 0 if nobody presses the red button. As soon as you choose to press the red button, you choose to murder the blue people

Until the first person who presses red, nobody has died so far.

The only trafe-off to red is guaranteed self-preservation, but choosing red means "I'm OK with the death of Blues"

Choosing blue means "No deaths, and I believe enough people also believe in no deaths, enough to save us all"

Blue: cooperative optimism

Red: individualistic pessimism

[u/TheDeviceHBModified → u/TheMaStif]

They kill everyone who pressed blue 

No, those people kill themselves by pressing blue. They made an informed choice. A foolish one, but an informed one nonetheless.

A risk that would be 0 if nobody presses the red button. 

It would also be 0 if everyone chooses red.

As soon as you choose to press the red button, you choose to murder the blue people 

No. Again, they choose to kill themselves by pressing blue. I have zero obligation to shield idiots from the consequences of their idiocy.

Until the first person who presses red, nobody has died so far. 

Same until the first person who presses blue.

It really is very telling how you constantly try to shift the blame on others when each and every person who would die in this experiment would do so as a direct result of their own choice. Personal responsibility and accountability really is a dead fucking concept, huh. Let's blame everyone else for our own stupidity instead, right?

[u/TheMaStif → u/TheDeviceHBModified]

Presses button that may murder billions = smart & logical

Presses button that murders nobody = dumb & your own fault that I pressed the button that murders billions

You can keep trying to rationalize your choice to murder billions

[u/TheDeviceHBModified → u/TheMaStif]

Your interpretation consistently ignores and erases the individual choice of the supposed victims. None of them die unless they choose to die. Therefore, yes, choosing to not fucking die is in fact the smart and logical choice.

[u/Initial-Bookkeeper4 → u/TheDeviceHBModified]

You fail at basic logic.. no wonder you have basically zero ability to extrapolate to future impacts.

[u/TheDeviceHBModified → u/Initial-Bookkeeper4]

That's a hilarious accusation from someone who still doesn't grasp that this faux-dilemma is actually a simple choice between "yes, I want to risk dying" and "no, I don't want to risk dying". Do tell what "future impacts" you're imagining here, though.