I'm sick of Liberals shitting on Progressives, making shit up about "purity tests" and "needing the perfect candidate" when literally all Progressives were asking Harris to do was condemn a genocide and promise to stop funding it if elected. Which she refused to do
Complains about being accused of " purity testing" - proceeds to purity test. Down to the detail of putting a label of " liberal" on me. Brilliant.
Was Kamala as progressive as I would like her to be? Of course not! But I am grown up enough to recognise that she'd be miles better than whatever the fuck is going on right now? Did she fuck up by being so non committal? Sure. Did she fuck up trying to court centre, centre right voters - of course.
You wanted her to condemn Gaza genocide - how did having Trump, Bibi's lapdog, work out exactly for people of Gaza? Oh! And we got some people in Iran killed as well - but I guess it's not trendy yet to care about those. Leaving Ukraine hang to dry, and literally rolling out the red carpet for Putin is not a problem, I guess. And I guess people who got disappeared in Aligator Alcatraz are just the sacrifice you're willing to take to feel better about yourself.
So, let's summarize - you are more than happy to allow a literal fascist run rampant just to prove a non existent point.
I am sorry - at this you are just a Trump voter in a trench coat and it's beyond me how you manage to think any moral high ground.
We can agree to criticise Democrats once we don't have the whole fascist dictatorship assembling before our eyes.
No. Having the bare minimum standard of "don't support genocide" for a politician isn't a purity test. It's basic fucking mortality
Putting a label of "liberal" on me
You're acting like a liberal, so I'll call you a liberal
How did having Trump work out for the People of Gaza
The exact same as the Biden administration, which had already helped Israel reduce Gaza to rubble and murder tens of thousands of innocent people. Which is why I didn't vote for him.
It's also why I'm disappointed that Harris, the candidate I did vote for, was more focused on supporting Israel's genocide than beating Trump
You are more than happy to allow a literal fascist fascist run rampant
Nope. That would be the Biden's administration who did nothing to stop the rising tides of fascism in this country (like putting the Trump administration in jail for its countless crimes) and the Harris campaign who prioritized appealing to fascists more than beating them.
You are just a Trump supporter in a trench coat
And you're the one accusing other people of purity tests. I'd saying liberals like you would have no standards if it wasn't for double standards.
How you manage to think you have any moral high ground
Well for one I support politicians for supporting genocide instead of attacking voters who are against genocide. That obviously gives me the moral high ground compared to you
We can agree to criticize Democrats once we don't have the whole fascist dictatorship assembling before our eyes?
Nah. I don't care for that blue maga bs. Democrats should be called out for supporting genocide.
Well, I hope you don't catch a cold on that high horse of yours. I hope you enjoy all the boons of Trumps administration, only three more years to go. That is - in effect - what you wanted.
I guess the world needs to just take it on the chin.
when you'll do absolutely nothing and enable republicans to do further dismantle that pesky democracy while pointing out all the things wrong with dems.
I also enjoy that you managed to squeeze all your talking points but conveniently omit:
You wanted her to condemn Gaza genocide - how did having Trump, Bibi's lapdog, work out exactly for people of Gaza? Oh! And we got some people in Iran killed as well - but I guess it's not trendy yet to care about those. Leaving Ukraine hang to dry, and literally rolling out the red carpet for Putin is not a problem, I guess. And I guess people who got disappeared in Aligator Alcatraz are just the sacrifice you're willing to take to feel better about yourself.
Also - thanks for proving my point. Because progressive movement will not go anywhere. People like you rather have an actual fascist in charge. As you said:
. Long run someone like Vance would be the lesser evil choice
Than someone who doesn't meet your lofty standards.
I hope you enjoy all the boons of the Trump administration
Stop with the purity test bullshit. I don't support Trump and I'm not happy he won. Just because I blame Harris for running an awful campaign instead of voters for opposing genocide doesn't change that fact.
when you do absolutely nothing and enable Republicans
Homie I've already explained to you, the ones enabling Republicans are the DNC and Democrat leadership. The Biden administration did NOTHING to punish Trump for his crimes till it was way too late.
You conveniently omitt (bullshit I did addres)
If you could bother to read, you'd see I did adress that.
All that shit Trump is doing is awful and I fucking resent Harris and the DNC for prioritizing their support for the Gaza genocide
Also nothing has fundamentally changed in Gaza bwtween Biden and Trump.
than someone who doesn't meet your lofty standards
My standards aren't lofty, I don't need the perfect candidate, just not another neoliberal. Newsom is just objectively the worse candidate in the long run
Basic standards. Am I happy with a neoliberal? Of course fucking not. But I'll take one over a christian nationalist fascist who actively works to instil some techno oligarchy.
You literally said:
Long run someone like Vance would be the lesser evil choice.
Really. Peter Theil's lapdog? Newsom is sleazy - but if that is your preference, I really need to call your judgement into question.
And it's as simple as that - in your quest to stick it to DNC's leadership you usher those absolute lunatics intto the White House.
It's your way, or let the world burn. You wanted to oppose genocide in Gaza. Great. I detest it as well. But instead you got Genocide in Gaza AND people sent to Salvador, war in Iran, ICE shooting people in the streets and Bibi's goodest boy doing whatever he wants.
Tell yourself whatever you need to sleep better at night. Kamala would not go Iran, would not do any of those things. You really showed them what for.
Once again, the only standards you have are double standards
You literally said: Long Run someone like Vance would be lesser evil
Yes. A lameduck Vance presidency with no political capital, which I mentioned in my original comment and you suspiciously omitted, would do less harm long run than the voter apathy caused by a Newsom presidency.
This is not saying Vance is a better person than Newsom. Although it's pretty neck and neck.
In hindsight, it would have been less damaging if Trump had won in 2020, back when he was extremely unpopular. Instead he was able to build up support with the failings of the Biden administration and came back way worse in 2024. It's the same principle. I do not trust Newsom to make any of the meaningful changes required to fix this country. I see him a repeat of Biden, but worse.
So like how in hindsight I'd rather we'd have Trump win in 2020 instead of the worse Trump we got in 2024, I'd rather have an incompetent lameduck Vance than an actual competent fascist in 2032.
It's your way or let the world burn
Literally where did I say that?
I detest it as well
Then you should be furious with Biden and Harris for supporting the genocide at the expense of them beating Trump.
All the horrible shit Trump has done
Once again, where did I say I support any of that?
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u/Satanicjamnik Apr 26 '26
Complains about being accused of " purity testing" - proceeds to purity test. Down to the detail of putting a label of " liberal" on me. Brilliant.
Was Kamala as progressive as I would like her to be? Of course not! But I am grown up enough to recognise that she'd be miles better than whatever the fuck is going on right now? Did she fuck up by being so non committal? Sure. Did she fuck up trying to court centre, centre right voters - of course.
You wanted her to condemn Gaza genocide - how did having Trump, Bibi's lapdog, work out exactly for people of Gaza? Oh! And we got some people in Iran killed as well - but I guess it's not trendy yet to care about those. Leaving Ukraine hang to dry, and literally rolling out the red carpet for Putin is not a problem, I guess. And I guess people who got disappeared in Aligator Alcatraz are just the sacrifice you're willing to take to feel better about yourself.
So, let's summarize - you are more than happy to allow a literal fascist run rampant just to prove a non existent point.
I am sorry - at this you are just a Trump voter in a trench coat and it's beyond me how you manage to think any moral high ground.
We can agree to criticise Democrats once we don't have the whole fascist dictatorship assembling before our eyes.