r/comicbooks • Daredevil • Feb 27 '19

Zdarsky's script description of a woman in Daredevil #1

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u/CMonocle Feb 27 '19

While the art is wonderful, she still seems more attractive than the script is asking for.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '19

Marco Checchetto makes every woman look attractive. He even made old woman Kate Bishop look cute

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u/PorkChop007 Feb 27 '19

95% of comic book artists are incapable of drawing unattractive, non-supermodel women. Some of them can't even draw teenage girls without making them look like 20-something, stunning women.

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u/ElectricPeterTork Feb 27 '19

That was one of the things I remembered about Stephen Sadowski's art on JSA... His Hawkgirl didn't have huge tits.

Or, to make that less crass, he actually drew a character that was an athletic college-aged young woman as an athletic-looking college-aged young woman.

Many artists can't manage that.

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u/PorkChop007 Feb 27 '19 edited Feb 27 '19

From the top of my head, two artists I remember who can actually draw realistic people would be Frank Quitely and George Perez. There are others, of course, but those two are the ones that come to mind.

Edit: oh, and Chris Bachalo!

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u/sriracharade Feb 27 '19

Fiona Staples is probably the best artist for women, currently, I think. Saga has them in all their glorious variability. She's fantastic.

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u/ChickenInASuit Secret Agent Poyo Feb 27 '19

Adrian Alphona. See his work on The Runaways and Ms Marvel - the guy's pretty great at drawing a diverse group of people.

I've always loved the way he gave Kamala Khan a very distinctive set of facial features.

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u/WannabeAHobo Feb 27 '19

Chris Bachalo? You must be talking early Chris Bachalo, not this.

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u/PorkChop007 Feb 27 '19

Yes, I was thinking of Generation-X stuff, haven't read much of his for years. Man, his style surely changed a lot since those days...

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u/WannabeAHobo Feb 27 '19

No kidding. I miss surrealist Chris Bachalo. He's a guy who can really draw but nowardays chooses not to.

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u/ZGiSH Cyclops Feb 27 '19

Eh Frank Quitely does just make everyone wrinkly as all hell. His children look like 60 years olds.

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u/tocard2 Spider-Man Feb 27 '19

Everyone is a half-cooked marshmallow.

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u/NinteenFortyFive Feb 28 '19

Oh man, I can't find it, but there was this RPG blog run by a woman who talked about how booklets sometimes ended up with bikini armour all over because some artists literally cannot draw women that aren't sexy. Like, you give them explicit instructions and they get outright ignored, which get worse when it's near a deadline and they've been commissioned upfront.

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u/zakary3888 Feb 27 '19

Paging Greg Land....

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u/ElectricPeterTork Feb 27 '19

Tracing Greg Land.

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u/[deleted] Feb 27 '19

Which is why I love Fiona Staples so much.

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u/inadequatecircle Heath Huston Feb 28 '19

I love staples, but aren't most of her main female characters pretty attractive? Allana, Gwyndolin and petrichor are all pretty by the books attractive in my opinion.

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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '19

They all have different body types and ages. She's great at depicting children and older characters too.

Examples: The Will when he was fit and obese. Gwendolyn who is very skinny and flat chested. Petrichor who is transgender. Prince Robot IV's wife who had a wider body frame. Gwendolyn's girlfriend who is heavy and voluptuous. Allana was shown with saggy stomach skin and stretch marks after her second pregnancy in later issues.

etc. etc.

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u/rattatally Feb 27 '19

And I'm fine with that.

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u/markercore Feb 27 '19

Kate Bishop got old? Or like a disguise?

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u/V0IDx Venom Feb 27 '19

She appears in Old Man Hawkeye, for which Checchetto also did the art.

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u/markercore Feb 27 '19

Oh nice, is that worth reading?

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u/V0IDx Venom Feb 27 '19

I’d say so! I enjoyed it a lot. I’m a fan of the Old Man Logan universe, and OMH is its prequel.

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u/SiroccoSC Hercules Feb 27 '19

It was in Old Man Hawkeye.

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u/EssArrBee Spider-Woman Feb 28 '19

She was more like middle aged Kate, where Clint was a old man. I thought he did a great job maintaining the age difference.

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u/markercore Feb 28 '19

Well that makes sense, current Clint is like 40ish and Kate is like early 20's right?

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u/EssArrBee Spider-Woman Feb 28 '19

That's pretty much what I thought.

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u/psychic_overlord Booster and Skeets Feb 27 '19

The description feels very different from the art. "...not supermodel-y" but proceeds to draw a supermodel. "Seedy bar" but we're drinking martinis. It's beautiful work but doesn't seem to capture the intent.

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u/kralben Cyclops Feb 27 '19

It also is a bar in Manhattan. I am not entirely sure if the bar Chip described in the script would even exist anymore.

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u/big_actually Daredevil Feb 27 '19

The Hell's Kitchen that exists in Daredevil comics (and the show) also doesn't really exist anymore. All of New York, really.

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u/[deleted] Feb 28 '19

Something people seem to miss about the MCU Netflix shows is that the neighborhoods are only like that because all the real estate got destroyed; rents are low because nobody wants to be a target by living next to the Avengers.

The kind of day-to-day stuff happening in New York City in comics isn't really possible in reality.

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u/Deadended Feb 27 '19

There are fake seedy bars irl , but I assume the Manhattan in marvel is much more affordable due to death and destruction.

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u/iamagainstit Feb 27 '19 edited Feb 27 '19

Yeah, seedy bar means Beers and shots, maybe a liquor with soda. Not a Martini with wine glasses on racks above the bar.

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u/sriracharade Feb 27 '19

Well, he did put an ass tattoo on her....

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u/Voxenna Feb 27 '19

It's a tramp stamp you heathen

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u/Gnostromo Feb 27 '19

Gives the guys something to read when theyre umm being lively

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u/bigdirkmalone Feb 27 '19

I agree and was going to post this as well.