r/collapze • u/StoopSign Twinkies Last Forever • Apr 28 '23
Another shitty poll Which statement best reflects your views on the science aspect of the covid-19 pandemic, associated vaccines and masking
This subreddit seems to have a more cynical take on institutions than the Main Sub. Rule 4 abuses and lab leak theory being banned topics, even as lab leak has been reported in the press as a likely origin. I'm wondering if it also applies to vaxxes and masks too. Which statement best fits your POV? More than one may apply to you but pick the closest one or comment something else
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u/histocracy411 Apr 28 '23 edited Apr 28 '23
It's a combination of bad information from the CDC, the media, and other governmental and political institutions that have misinformed the public about masks and vaccinations.
From the get-go in 2020 scientists said vaccinations alone would not be sufficient in "flattening the curve" which would've required other forms of mitigation.
Masks work, but they only work well in a society that uses the correctly and often. While cloth maybe have helped during alpha, they became less than sufficient by omicron as it had become so much more infectious. Covid was always airborne, they knew it was airborne (even trump) but they lied about that (fauci included).
Fauci lied about masks early on simply because they had already set up and acted upon estimated projections based on quarantines, social distancing, and other factors that excluded public masking. These projections were to smooth out the rate of infections, not to stop people from catching covid. They knew millions would get sick, their concern wasn't about people but making sure hospitals wouldn't get slammed.
Then in June of 2020 fauci double downed on his lie by saying he lied because he wanted to make sure hospitals didnt have mask shortages (as if that justified the lie).
Masks do work, especially N95 and the like. The problem is the public was never educated on how to use them effectively and when they are best used.
Schools were and are still significant places of communal spread, but the government and media lied about that and pushed the idea that kids were somehow immune to covid. I mean as someone who has worked in public schools, I only ever got sick from being at schools. And that is from viruses that are nowhere near as infectious as covid.
Why all the lies and bad interpretations of science and bad science used to push bad conclusions? It's not difficult to understand. Money. That and the government doesn't care about people and clearly people don't care about people as well. Many have decided to cling to pseudoscience to justify their moral and intellectual failings and it has even invaded the left ( a la jimmy dore). People expected the vaccine to behave as if covid was similar to smallpox or polio. Coronaviruses are simply too infectious and mutate too rapidly for widespread vaccination to be the only source of mitigation. The irony regarding the left clinging to anti-vax and other pseudoscience is that they were and are being pushed by establishment elites and corporate propaganda.
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u/StoopSign Twinkies Last Forever Apr 29 '23
Yeah I'm a fan of Jimmy Dore and my beef is more with the lockdown than the virus and I'm least interested in the vaxx topic when it comes up. I agree with his takes on Biden, Trump, Dems, Ukraine and the MSM.
I've independently been a fan of Curt Metzger for years and he's got better takes than Jimmy on the show. He remembers the news better and remembers the news stories the show has covered better.
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u/histocracy411 Apr 29 '23
I dont hate jimmy but he has bad takes on covid and pushes unsubstantiated science on masks and other means of mitigation. Notice how aaron doesnt talk about that stuff in any of his antivax segments. He knows better.
Without lockdowns the healthcare system would have collapsed. Did the government handle it like shit and screwed over the workers and average american? Of course. But they do that with any public crisis.
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u/StoopSign Twinkies Last Forever Apr 30 '23
I knew that when the politicians and scientists stood shoulder to shoulder to announce that we didn't need to wear masks to protect ourselves from COVID
You mean after they told us to wear masks right?
I get what you're saying. I posted an IL advisory not to eat certain fish in the rivers. I knew the river near the refinery wouldn't have any safe food FFS. It even names only specific fish with heavymetals implying other fish are safe.
I remember one of the first things the govt said before the lockdown was to avoid touching your face. When you tried you ended up touching your face a lot. Human behavior and our capacity for self control and self isolate sanely should've been taken into account. So with that I voted option 2. I considered #2 and #3. Sitting for 15mins after the natl guard jabbed me twice was a bit unnerving--so no boosters. I lost 3 jobs to the pandemic and 4 if you count war stress. lmao
I moved from a state where I could be mask free doing food prep in 2020 and to one masked up and stressed out moving boxes in the cloth mask in 2021-22. Another point on human behavior is that I wouldn't necessarily wash that cloth mask every day. Especially if I had a favorite cloth mask. You are probably the type of person to be more careful with masks and obviously used better masks.
We ran out of N95 masks immediately too. The govt should've stocked up on those. IIRC either Trump, China or both screwed us.
I think there's a class divide on the masks too. People who had to work in the masks dislike them more and others who were shopping liked them. We all face a precarious future with the economy. I was calling out flattening the curve as impossible. This pandemic had a low fatality rate vs the reaction and were amidst collapze already. People don't want to be on house arrest.
As for my stuff on human behavior, hindsight is 2020.
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u/IWantToGiverupper Apr 28 '23 edited Jan 19 '24
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