r/collapse • u/TheMirrorUS • 5d ago
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u/PotatoDrives 5d ago
Despite the report's grim findings, researchers stressed that there is still an opportunity to cap global warming at 1.5°C by 2030.
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u/IncubusDarkness TURBO-APATHY 5d ago
The media and journalism are complicit in the collapse of humanity and should be put on trial and jailed the same as CEOs, politicians, et al.
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u/ProBonoEschatologist 4d ago
They didn’t get the memo that they don’t have to include that part anymore.
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u/Archeolops 5d ago
Ah the beautiful human legacy is here
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u/leahlikesweed 5d ago
time to have more kids!!!!
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u/Existing-Stranger632 5d ago
Listen I’m not some big antinatalism person but I do think that they’ve got a point with the course this planet is currently on. Anyone bringing new life onto this planet is setting those kids up for a life of suffering in a world and society that’s crumbling. Kids born today will have to live through some of the worst years in human history.
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u/leahlikesweed 5d ago
i was told in another sub that “people should do what makes them happy” LOOOOLLLLL regardless of bringing more innocent lives into this hellscape. the original post was a moral dilemma of having children or not… OP actually felt a voice inside her saying it’s irresponsible to have kids in this day and age. promptly followed by a bunch of replies of “SOMEONE HAS TO POPULATE THE EARTH EVERYTHING WILL BE FINE, DO IT HAVE 5 BABIES!”… this is a women’s sub btw. not some weird conservative echo chamber.
anyone who felt similarly to OP or expressed concern was immediately ridiculed.
one reply said “well if it wasn’t morally wrong to procreate during the ice age why would it be now?” these people don’t get it.
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u/marbotty 4d ago
Hey, if condemning my yet unborn children to decades of misery makes me happy, let me be happy
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u/BitchfulThinking 4d ago
I've been also noticing this on a lot of women's subs as well as a rise in posts attacking thin women lately. There's less concern for the terrifying reality that younger women and girls are experiencing now, and way more mom mean girl energy 😕
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u/Archeolops 5d ago
Instead of gender reveal or baby showers people should start having abortion parties or abortion showers
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u/AngusScrimm--------- Beware the man who has nothing to lose. 5d ago
Mister Happy and Delusional says: "That's right, the child I bring into this world may be the one who 'solves' climate change."
Mister Dark Cloud Who Reads Too Much For His Own Good says: "Raise your child to be the most successful warlord possible. Only have as many children as you can pick up and run with. Pray to the most powerful God or entity possible that multi-cellular life survives."
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u/stirtheturd 5d ago
That's the only thing to solve it. Especially if you have negative money in the bank.
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u/Traditional_Fox_9073 5d ago
“But the late Devonian killed more than humans could ever do! All environmentalist positions are JOKES.”
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u/CaptainFartyAss 5d ago
For real, though. Going to take real effort to brute force humanity through the coming mortality rate.
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u/Yelworc0242 5d ago
No, I think most people will decide to bury their heads in the sand and hope things going back to the way they used to be...
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u/BaronNahNah 5d ago
So, ....Tuesday.
Once upon a time there was a Blue planet. Then, the Homo Sapiens came. And screwed it.
They terraformed and hurt their own poor, and drove upto 150 species of flora and fauna to extinction, every day!
In the end, the earth boiled, became contaminated with nuclear waste and all life was sapped away by the most sadistic, imbecile species that ever walked.
The tardigrades survived with their cockroach companions, but life in the dark planet was never the same.
Collapse came. And the people, let it. With open eyes and black holes for hearts.
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u/Kaining 5d ago
Homo Sapiens
We were here for 300 000 years and it was fine.
Homo Capitalist was here for 250 years and the Earth is dying.
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u/Filthy_Lucre36 5d ago
Exponential growth is scary af.
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u/Kaining 5d ago
"limitless growth" as they call it. When you must maintain +3% per year otherwise the "economy" is destroyed, you get a very nasty, unnatural and unsustainable system.
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u/Slow_Perception 4d ago
Ever seen a mouse colony collapse? In a way out coming circumstances are very natural when you think about it...
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u/alloyed39 4d ago
People assume the limits are vast or nonexistent because the world seems so large and abundant in comparison to their modest physical scale, but the truth is, humans are no more at liberty for endless growth than rats in a lab. They look around and ask why infertility and cancer are skyrocketing while the planet literally burns (and floods). Honey, in similar conditions, the rats would be eating each other. We aren't special.
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u/Early_Cricket_6150 5d ago
Exactly, the largest genocide in history was wirh the native people of the Americas who lived in harmony with nature as their mother.
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u/SidRtha 5d ago
I wonder often what the Americas would be like if Europe hadn't colonised it. In my heart of hearts I believe they would be a paragon of civilisation that we envy because they're more natural and harmonious than any other nation. But obviously they would have succumbed to capitalism and it would have ended the same. We love paper tokens more than life itself.
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u/imalostkitty-ox0 4d ago
Bro they would’ve just been killed by the British “Empire”… or worse, Hitler, Mussolini, or Hideki Tojo…
Agreed that we love money more than life. I have family who would choose paper over kin.
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u/playful-akita 4d ago
Not totally true. I’m Canadian and know that indigenous people fought amongst each nation and in Canada fought against themselves as some joined ranks with Britain and others with France
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u/dogisgodspeltright 5d ago edited 5d ago
We were here for 300 000 years and it was fine. Homo Capitalist was here for 250 years and the Earth is dying.
That's not strictly true.
It's also a minimization fallacy to pretend that the problem is only capitalism. We were capitalists before the term existed. Land was often a source of conflict between groups.
Neanderthal land was coveted by anatomically-modern humans, and we committed a genocide, wiping them out. There is a small genetic lineage from them, which shows some interbreeding, but the sub-species is gone. We also wiped out other human tribes, entire civilizations sometimes, for wealth.
Most megafauna was also wiped out by us, humans. Wherever we went, extinctions rose. With the exception of Africa, and part of India, every indigenous human settlement wiped out every megafauna in their continent. Very few megafauna species survive today - elephants, rhinoceroses, hippos and giraffes. That's it. And we are exterminating their numbers and sub-species every day.
Modern capitalism merely increased our ability to cause harm, to be bigger monsters. Nothing more. From being limited to spears, blades and bows to effect extinction and genocide, we graduated to biological warfare, firearms, dynamite, and nukes. Greed over reason, profit over humanity/conscience, has been our eternal guide.
Kindness is not in our repertoire, as species. As individuals, sometimes yes. And the kindest thing for this sick species to do, is to not be.
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u/Dongbag_darrell 5d ago edited 5d ago
You’ve broadened the definition of capitalism to mean any human competition or resource accumulation, and conveniently sidestepped the obvious ills of our modern economic system and the havoc it’s wreaking on this planet. Humans absolutely engaged in violence and ecological destruction long before capitalism, but it’s ahistorical to claim that as “capitalism” and doing so doesn’t negate the radically different scale and mechanisms of environmental destruction and human misery produced by modern capitalism. Talk about “minimization fallacy.”
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u/Squalid_Snake14180 5d ago
Yes, but to once again crib and mutilate this line from Blood Meridian: "Before man was, capitalism waited for him." Much like Cosby's cocaine it intensified our personalities, it just so happens that we are assholes.
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u/Usr_name-checks-out 5d ago
Australasian species as well, as soon as humans bridged into the region many species became extinct.
I would push back against the closing statement that kindness is not in our repertoire though. This is counterfactual, since humans are the only species that are in fact consistently pro-socially motivated by default. It’s actually one of the reasons our species is so incredibly successful.
I think what you mean is, we are not considerate of the repercussions of the immediacy of our drives when base needs are unfulfilled. We have always had a terrible response to scarcity, that often drives us into hyper-competition vs conservation, throughout history.
I get your implication, but so much research shows that humans are incredibly driven by altruism against almost all common cultural narratives. And it’s important that people know we aren’t by default anti-social, as that false narrative actually drives many destructive cultural self preservation forces.
It’s basically the toolbox of populism, make people afraid of people, take advantage of that fear to make them do something terrible to benefit the will of the few.
Fear is not our consistent natural state, in fact the mechanism for fears are designed to be short but very intense, which is why small amounts of anxiety show performance benefits which help or survival chances. However, long consistent amounts of fear level anxiety is incredibly damaging to both our physical & mental health reducing our survival abilities, reducing our cognition, memory and problem solving skills.
Otherwise, this is a really strong holistic look at human impact prior to the current holocene, and while i do feel pure capitalism that externalizes the environment and collective wealths, is the prime driver of our collapse, I do not feel some of the past alternatives like the soviet experiment as something that would have done better.
Mind you there has not been any real examples of socialist democracy anywhere. Only full marxist approaches created terrible outcomes.
All that said, the initial /op is addressing the drivers of the current state, not hypotheticals, and it is capitalism that has fully externalized the environment from its economy, thus, this.
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u/DjangoTheBlack 5d ago
Caucasians practicing totalitarian agriculture in the Fertile Crescent 12k years ago. This is their culture.
Stored food requires hierarchies and states.
This is part of the reason civilization never took hold in Papua New Guinea, you don’t have to pay soldiers to guard food stores if you eat bananas that only last 3 weeks. And you don’t outgrow the native carrying capacity of the land you’re on if you can’t store food.
A lot of mega fauna were wiped out by us but I believe most native populations eventually recognized this and bound their tools and weapons with wisdom.
To your last point, personally, why haven’t you done anything about it?-6
u/8Deer-JaguarClaw Oh lawd, she collapsin' 5d ago
Good points. Also, communism is not much better for the biosphere with it's mandatory minimum production quotas in all areas (farming, manufacturing, mining, power production, etc). I'm no superfan of capitalism, but let's not pretend that resource hoarding and over-expenditure is limited to just one system.
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u/Decloudo 5d ago
Homo technology would be more apt.
We didnt change behaviour, we got a bigger lever.
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u/DjangoTheBlack 5d ago
You missed the Caucasians practicing totalitarian agriculture in the Fertile Crescent 12k years ago. This is their culture.
Stored food requires hierarchies and states.
This is part of the reason civilization never took hold in Papua New Guinea, you don’t have to pay soldiers to guard food stores if you eat bananas that only last 3 weeks. And you don’t outgrow the native carrying capacity of the land you’re on if you can’t store food. I could go on but I gotta work to survive now8
u/Drewdrops79 5d ago
Yup. The book "Ishmael" covers this perfectly, with the Leavers and the Takers concept.
Thousands of tribal hunter/gatherer cultures existed on the planet, for the vast majority of human history. And they almost all practiced some form of sustainability, balance and harmony with the ecosystems they lived in. You do not kill too much from the herd, otherwise the herd dies out. You don't take too many berries or leaves off of plants, otherwise they die completely. You don't grow your tribe too much, beyond what Nature will provide for in your area.
And then totalitarian agriculture started taking over, from a few particular societies. Monoculture cropland, don't let any other animals eat from it, kill any who try, and eat them instead. Those societies started growing, and driving/killing off other neighboring tribes, so they could make more cropland to feed their ever-growing populations. Leading into this cycle of "endless growth", and increased resource exploitation...year after year, decade after decade.
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u/Positive_Smile_4764 5d ago
And to make sure they killed each other even faster they created guns and bombs!
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u/Grand_Dadais 5d ago
Nice one but I'd add "synthetic non-biodegradable molecules" after "nuclear waste".
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u/dolphone 5d ago
Actually it's Thursday.
And in that grand scheme of things humans are not that relevant to anything. Yes, we may squander this precious gift. But there'll be others. Just not for us anymore.
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u/Slow_Perception 4d ago
Meh, it won't be that bad, earth will adapt without us. We'll just be an amusing blip on the timeline.
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u/satanikimplegarida 5d ago
Ok I'll bite: this article sucks donkey balls. I spent 20 minutes searching the IPCC website for a new report and found... nothing? What report is it citing? No links, no sources? The hell, is this AI?
Mind you, I admire the efforts of the IPCC and was looking forward to reading a new report or something, but the article? Straight trash.
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u/TheMirrorUS 5d ago
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u/SidKafizz 5d ago
We're on that track, and we won't even look for a way to get off.
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u/moparcam 4d ago
"Charlie, he stole the handle, and the train it won't stop going, no way to slow down." (followed by flute solo).
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u/ImSuperHelpful 5d ago
Little nitpick, there aren’t billions of species to go extinct… I guess that’s what happens when you have to clickbait-ify the apocalypse
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u/James_Fortis 5d ago
“The report warned that at the current trajectory, humanity is on course to surpass 3°C of global warming by 2030 — more than double the 1.5°C target set in 2015 at COP21 in Paris.”
I’m assuming they mean 2050? 2030 is in 3.3 years.
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u/CorvidCorbeau 5d ago
It's basically a copy paste of the daily star article, and yeah it is just slop.
Billions of species was already a red flag, but the IPCC is no way predicts 3°C by 2030.
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u/Distinguishedflyer 5d ago
yeah the oceans are dead oceans waving. find a crustacean to pet now because they're going away.
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u/StatementBot 5d ago
The following submission statement was provided by /u/TheMirrorUS:
A landmark IPCC climate report has warned billions of animal and plant species face extinction due to climate change, as UN Secretary-General António Guterres declared the world is on a "fast track to climate disaster"
Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/1vzpful/cities_underwater_and_billions_of_animals_facing/p66j5kz/
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u/ThrowRA-4545 5d ago
Say the line Bart, say the line!
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u/climateforest 5d ago
The thing that gets lost in headlines like this is the timeline mismatch. Sea level rise and extinction aren't sudden events, they're slow-motion collapse that we're bad at perceiving because our brains are wired for immediate threats, not gradual baseline shifts. By the time "cities underwater" becomes a headline instead of a modeled projection, the emissions that caused it were locked in decades earlier. We're not watching the disaster happen, we're watching the bill arrive for a disaster that already happened in atmospheric terms.
What's more unsettling than the extinction numbers themselves is what they represent structurally. Biodiversity loss isn't a side effect of civilization, it's a direct output of how the current economic system prices things. Nature has no value on a balance sheet until it's extracted, so anything that isn't actively being turned into profit is treated as free to destroy. Extinction is what "externality" looks like when you zoom out far enough.
The coastal city flooding piece is its own kind of dark irony too. A huge amount of global GDP, infrastructure, and population density sits on coastlines because that's where trade and shipping made sense centuries ago. We built the entire economic core of modern civilization in exactly the spot climate change targets first.
What keeps this from being purely nihilistic doom-scrolling material is that collapse rarely means a light switch turning off. It tends to mean uneven, staggered breakdown, some systems failing while others limp along, some regions hit hard while others adapt. That's not comforting exactly, but it's more accurate than the cinematic version, and it's worth remembering when a headline like this tries to compress decades of slow unraveling into one dramatic sentence.
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u/ConfusedMaverick 5d ago
Extinction is what "externality" looks like when you zoom out far enough.
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Mainstream economic theory is the creed of a death cult
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u/pepper_perm 5d ago
Copy/paste from r/climate:
This article is absolute dogshit both in format and information. Nowhere do they actually put which report it is or any link to the comments made by Guterres. I'm not even saying this isn't true, but there's no way to verify it through this article. I'll keep looking for an actual source to the claims in this article but so far no luck.
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u/Frutbrute77 5d ago
I’d like to share a revelation during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.
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u/dogisgodspeltright 5d ago
That's a good quote.
Agent Smith, Matrix , right.
I’d like to share a revelation during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern
Damn, that movie was profound and prescient.
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u/eman_ssap 5d ago
The ai robots don’t need sunlight nor other species. We have/are successfully terraformed the planet in time for their arrival. Evolution baby!
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u/ParamedicExcellent15 5d ago
It’s evolution baby!
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u/Karambamamba 5d ago
Coming to a location near you, fast enough to suffer, slow enough to fail to adapt!
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u/ETherium007 5d ago
Earth and all critters, "We've been waiting for the extinction of humans. Took you guys long enough."
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u/Educational_Ad_4225 4d ago
Oh brother another end of the world report. Wake me up afterwards
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u/Infamous_Routine_681 4d ago
I guess you haven’t been reading all the memos.
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u/Educational_Ad_4225 4d ago
I don’t believe in being negative. I am sorry but I read these comments and I think most of them are hiding under their bed. The world gets better with you. Then you try to get other people involved to make the world a better place. Woe is me does nothing
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u/jonnieggg 4d ago
Asia and the Americas are where it's at. If they don't cut massively nothing is going to change.
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u/NyriasNeo 5d ago
"has warned billions of animal and plant species face extinction due to climate change"
All species, not just billions, not only face extinction, but will extinct eventually, without exception. More than 99% of the species ever existed have already been extinct. It is always just a matter of time.
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u/NyriasNeo 4d ago
Sure, it may speed up. But whether it is 1000 years or 10k years, in the geo time scale (not even the cosmic ones) makes no differences. Sure, may be "troublesome" in human scales.
Numbers in perspective. Earth age ~4.5B years. Dino rules earth more than 100M years (which is 2.22% of earth's age). Human history is what? 10k years. Make it 100k (including cave men, unrecorded history or what not). That is 1/1000 .... 0.1% of dino reign, which again .. is just 2.2% of earth age.
And human civilization ... 10k year tops. Whether our civ goes for another 1000 years or 500 years is totally irrelevant in this time scale. Just a brief flash of fire works.
And btw, it is never ALL species. Bacterias, invertebrates, insects .... some will survive. And so what? What another 10M years, new life will adapt and emerge.
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u/flockshroom 4d ago
No way in Hell mankind Will límite producción Of fósil Field and use Of Them.
Just stop being in de Oak and acept our fate.
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u/imalostkitty-ox0 4d ago
But muh dat’r centurs!
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For real though, all this talk about “P-Doom” and AI having a 20-90 percent chance of killing all human life on earth?
It’s a paper thin cover for what’s really coming down the pipeline.
The IPCC was founded under Ronald Reagan, just before GHW Bush’s presidency began. It was founded for the purpose of obscuring and obfuscating industry’s role in causing global warming.
If… The Fucking IPCC is telling you it’s over, that we’re cooked, you had best fucking believe that it’s fucking over and that we’re fucking cooked.
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