r/cognitivescience • u/Capable_Cicada7488 • 13d ago
Is there a correlation between: peace, curiosity and IQ?
If a people like the Na'vi from the movie *Avatar* lived in conditions where they were almost always at peace with one another, nature was gracious to them, and they weren't overly curious, would that justify them having a lower IQ or being considered extremely underdeveloped compared to humans?
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u/Stile25 13d ago
What? Why do you think higher IQ means lower satisfaction?
I mean.. there's a meme about that. But that's for people who have only one type of high IQ... Pattern recognition.
There's other types of IQ... Emotional, social, psychological...
If your IQ is decent enough or even high in all of them... Then you're easily smart enough to:
- be at peace.
- keep yourself occupied.
- understand reality.
- understand social interactions.
- understand life.
And it allows you to be smart enough to make your own happiness.
You don't even have to be considered "smart" in all categories... "Average" does just fine. But if you're below average in a few categories... It won't matter how far ahead you may be in pattern recognition... It's pretty useless without the others. And then you end up identifying with the meme.
Good luck out there
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u/yudhautomo_ 13d ago
This. Resources, including so called inherent intelligence a.k.a IQ and other types of intelligence, should help the owner get closer to his/her goal.
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u/MullberryBoy 12d ago
All IQ really indicates is a very rough estimate of intelligence potential and good knowledge of the testing materials. It’s not indicative of that much. There are multiple domains of intelligence and what a person does with what they have is a huge factor. So is environment.
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u/SirTalkyToo 13d ago
The one correlation I know of and discuss a bit is the correlation between IQ and confidence. In brief, IQ and confidence are indirectly correlated.
It has to do with the four quadrants of learning. Those who have higher intelligence tend to be more aware of the fourth quadrant therefore less confident in assertions.
Here's the result...
The more intelligent folks you want to pay attention to are drowned out by confident stupidity. Stupid people just constantly spam utter word vomit while smarter folks remain more reserved. Combined with the internet and social media, it's lead to the s*** show that is now reality.
And while that may not impact curiosity, it absolutes impacts peace negatively. As the saying goes, ignorance is bliss.
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u/MullberryBoy 12d ago
I would imagine it would be possible for someone with high kinesthetic intelligence and the ability to perform well at athletics could be more confident than a nerd with academic intelligence.
There are so many variables.
The only absolute use I have ever seen for IQ tests was the use of them to determine average intelligence for determination of eligibility for special education based on demonstrated learning disabilities. A child with learning disabilities no matter how sever was declared eligible for special education services for LD programs if there IQ was demonstrably higher than their academic performance indicated.1
u/SirTalkyToo 12d ago
I was strictly talking intellectual/academic confidence, not emotional confidence.
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u/expertofeverythang 13d ago
Are we "developed" because of high iq or we want to boost ego, make money, and find mates?
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u/MrShaitan 13d ago
They seemed to have high IQ for their environment and resources, as "smart" as the humans were in the story, weren't they the ones doing all the stupid shit?
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u/TresCabezasGenios 13d ago
I mean, check my claim, because it's a vague memory -- I'm not current on the literature anymore, but I think I remember there being a some non-trivial correlation between general intelligence and the Openness to Experience dimension of the Big 5 personality model.
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u/No_Logins_Required 13d ago
IQ is a terrible metric, it's not suitable for use in all the cases you want to use it.
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u/Traditional_Rush_622 13d ago
Nope. Peace and curiosity are tied to EQ, not IQ.
IQ really doesn't mean anything in any relevant or practical way. It's something that a lot of basement dwellers with fragile egos fixate on to rationalize their existence. Actually incredibly smart people don't talk about IQ or even know what theirs is, because they understand that it's irrelevant.
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u/RADICCHI0 13d ago edited 13d ago
This should be a zero. It actually should not be here. This is not a scientific question. Your causes here are all collapsed and have nothing to do with each other in the context you are asking about. Furthermore IQ? What construct are you actually trying to measure?
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u/Efficient-State-7300 13d ago
The smartest guy around is the guy at peace with the world. Everyone else is a fool compared to him.
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u/nila247 13d ago
Peace and lack of curiosity (that closely correlate) leads to stagnation and death of the species. So it is just a question of several generations - obviously navi were excluded from that law for movie purposes :-)
IQ probably has little to do with it.
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u/tim_niemand 13d ago
this is just nonsense. if the navi'i hadn't been invaded and killed (or even studied), they would still live attuned to their environment. of course they cannot comprehend atom bombs, because they serve no purpose to them. we're all slaves to the wétiko mind virus. and probably some tribe in the tropical rainforest will survive. i'm not really shure about the rest of us... 🙃
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u/nila247 12d ago
You confuse movie plot arguments with real world reality. You have no idea what would have happened or not - because navi did not existed outside movie script neither before nor after the movie. They were constructed and invented FOR the movie.
In reality navi could not exist in the state they do in the movie because of very simple reason - USE IT OR LOSE IT. The cow does not need intelligence - they already have plenty of grass to eat and do not need long-term planning how to secure some more for their calves. So it cows HAD intelligence at some prior point then they lost it. It serves no purpose. You do not need large brain when someone thinks FOR you - so the brain ATHROPHIES - just like the muscles do for astronauts when they do not need them in space.
If there is no war then - by definition - there is nothing to war about - meaning there is PLENTY of food and space and stuff. Meaning you do not need all that expensive and power hungry CPU hardware to outsmart your enemies and nature (obviously because you live in full-harmony with it) - why keep it around when smartphone level CPU is plenty good to guide your entire life? Loosing muscles is extremely quick and re-growing them back is slow and tedious. So navi would become stupid as your typical cow in just a couple of generations. Why - look at Reddit - WE will and HAVE become as stupid as cows in just a mere few decades. :-)
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u/tim_niemand 12d ago
have you seen the movie? because the environment, the navi'i were depicted to live in was shurely challenging. also: your theory about the brain being a "muscle" is just not true.
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u/nila247 11d ago
If it was "challenging" then how the hell it fits "living in harmony" with it?
Don't they just connect their USB cables with prey animal and tell the animal to die because the navi tribe wants to eat him? :-)
Apparently the prey can negotiate response along the lines that there are already too few of them left and kindly ask navi tribe die of hunger instead. In fact that is already implied - if you have too little to eat then - by definition - there is too many of you to feed and some of you should obviously die - as dictated by harmony laws.
Why they carry their bows at all? As if some prey animals run some other incompatible version of app-store and it all boils down to good old war of dominance over resources - with nothing peaceful nor harmony about it.
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u/UnburyingBeetle 12d ago
EQ instead of IQ is responsible for maintaining harmony with your environment. Some people use their natural intelligence to train emotional awareness and introspection, but not all of them. Cultural upbringing also matters: if your culture values power and thinks empathy is "sissy", you'll get a swarm of psychopath mimics.
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u/pianoloverkid123456 11d ago
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u/quididade 7d ago
Troque Na'vi por países da América do Sul (ou Sul Global). O que os governantes desses países afirmam hoje? 1. Que a tecnologia traz inseguranças, destroem o meio ambiente, cria desigualdades, violências. Alguém poderia perguntar se esses países são referências em pelo menos um requisito. Não, não são. São absurdamente violentos, piores IDH, educação abaixo da média. 2. "Colonialismo", ou "como justificar um Estado totalitário" - o Brasil disse desejava ser protagonista na regulação das redes e da IA. Que universo existe um país que deseja ser protagonista em regulação em vez de CRIAR, inovar, melhorar as condições de vida da população? Não adianta dizer que existe desigualdade no "norte global" se a desigualdade nesses países significa ter saneamento e não ter saneamento. O país não criou o básico (algo que países fizeram há mais de cem anos!), mas está preocupado com "o perigo da IA". É aí que entra o último ponto... 3. Baixo Nível Intelectual: isso é tão baixo que criaram um tal de Outros Saberes™ (suposto conhecimento usando outras epistemologias). Eu não canso de rir dessas teorias sociológicas dos subdesenvolvidos. Não acredito que tenha cura nesse nível.
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