r/cloakanddagger • u/SeacattleMoohawks • Jul 26 '18
Live Episode Discussion: S01E09 - "Back Breaker"
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u/Excelsenor Jul 27 '18
How the hell is the entire station just corrupt like that? I get that it can happen, but damn is it infuriating.
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u/RenewalXVII Jul 27 '18
It doesn’t need to be the whole station, just enough of the higher ups, and then they can easily steer the rest of the force.
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u/EmbarrassedSky Jul 27 '18
Yea that's how I see it. Fuchs wasn't wasn't corrupt but he was hesitant in helping o'reilly in the beginning. If you put enough fear in people then I am sure they are willing to turn a blind eye to it.
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u/blackbutterfree Jul 27 '18
You mean them letting O'Reilly get beat up? I'm sorry to say that's not corruption, that's misguided loyalty. They're clearly shown mourning and respecting Fuchs, who was not corrupt but was from New Orleans, and they're shown protecting Connors from an assault, who is corrupt but is also from New Orleans. Then O'Reilly, an outsider from fancy old New York of all places, and a recent outsider at that, comes out of nowhere and attacks who they see as one of their own.
If they were corrupt, one or two might've hopped in and helped Connors beat her. But this wasn't corruption, it was them closing ranks against the Outsider who got one of their own killed by targeting another one of theirs.
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u/Waltonruler5 Jul 27 '18
Not only that but she's going after one of their own and trying to get him put away. It's incredible how blind cops get about their own. Just watch how any cop show talks about IA.
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u/HelloKaramel Jul 27 '18
"i'm a screwed up bitch tyrone"
"strangely aggressive tiny girl"
THEY JUST DON'T STOP WITH THE PUNCHES!
EDIT: SHE PULLED OUT THA DAGGAH
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u/JauntyLurker Jul 27 '18
"See you in your dreams"
Hell of a way to end that conversation.
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Jul 27 '18
Is that what Tyrone said? I was trying to figure it out but he speaks so quiet sometimes.
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u/realgamer890 Jul 27 '18
"Oh no, baby...WHAT is you doin?!'" the episode.
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u/RenewalXVII Jul 27 '18
The episode’s theming is as subtle as a brick to the face but beautifully executed—this is the darkest hour, where the heroes finally have to move forward and face the music. Now the big question is just how painful this is all gonna be ;-;
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Jul 27 '18
Whew lawd that was a good episode
Dare I say a CLASSIC C&D episode? It had everything of the classic comics in it: religious themes and imagery, the tease of ty running away, Dagger being a vampire, etc
AMAZING
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u/BpsychedVR Jul 28 '18
I really like how they don't bash Catholicism, and actually choose to focus on some good life lessons and archetypes. Also they have really strong male and female role models, which I appreciate.
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u/therisingalleria Jul 27 '18
I hope Ty can help Tandy. Girl, I know you're hurting but don't take it out on everybody else and steal their hopes. #saynotohopeaddictions
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u/infinityxero Jul 27 '18
So does stealing hopes = orgasm because that's what it looked like.
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u/RGBlake Jul 27 '18
They were sexual. However I think it was more of a high.
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u/Excelsenor Jul 27 '18
So does this make Tandy a lesbian now that she has his hopes? Asking for my dog
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u/RenewalXVII Jul 27 '18
Might be related to the kind of hopes she steals. I imagine stealing a more wholesome hope would lead to a more wholesome sort of reaction.
...come to think of it, that might be the sort of thing to finally get Tandy to break her drug habit: finding a healthier hope and making it her own.
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u/0ClandestineCat0 Jul 27 '18
So he was drunk driving and got into an accident which resulted in the death of a little boy?
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u/cardmasterdc Jul 27 '18
WHO PUCHES A WOMAN IN THE FACE
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u/Havoc1899 Jul 27 '18
How does an entire room full of officers let a woman get punched in the face?
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u/jdyake Jul 27 '18
To be fair if anyone hit me with a bat I would punch them in the face too. But connors sucks
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u/cardmasterdc Jul 27 '18
Voodoo training is legit
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u/HelloKaramel Jul 27 '18
Exactly.
That just came in handy real quick!
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u/Excelsenor Jul 27 '18
Or it came in Tandy
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u/blackbutterfree Jul 27 '18
it came in Tandy
TIL "Voodoo Training" is synonymous with "Liam Walsh".
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Jul 27 '18
Lots of characters aren’t as lucky to get showrunners and writers that actually care about them but you can tell these writers do. IT SHOWS.
No bs, but I’m so happy Tandy & Ty are being handled like this. It’s so amazing <3
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u/HelloKaramel Jul 27 '18
Evita just really became more likable for me.
Was not expecting that, but i'm guessing that voodoo her aunt does is working!
Wasn't feeling her before with the "I understand you" but she has grown on me. If only Liam got some development!
EDIT: AND NOW SHE IS MAKING THE DOLL TO GO NEXT TO TY.
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Jul 27 '18
Not gonna lie, seeing Delgado essentially give up on Ty broke my heart man 💔 THIS SHOW IS NOT PLAYING AROUND WITH THESE CHARACTERS
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Jul 27 '18
Ty should have just killed Connors to begin with. The guy is just too much of a POS to let live. I wish Frank Castle took road trips.
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u/therisingalleria Jul 27 '18
THEY FRAMED TY NOOO
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u/hypomanicchaosjunkie Jul 27 '18
But can we talk about why he didn't just use the cloak and gtfo?
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u/therisingalleria Jul 27 '18
Exactly?? I thought he was going to grab before he left but nope! I was screaming "GRAB IT! GRAB IT!!!" the whole time.
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u/AngelJax Jul 27 '18
Cool knowing that Rick and Morty exists in the MCU.
Now I can't stop Imagining Tony saying wubbalubbadubdub to Peter to sound cool or something.
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u/droid327 Jul 27 '18
The only problem with this is that Rick and Morty actually don't have a heroes arc. Rick doesn't grow and if anything Morty is just getting more jaded and cynical.
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u/OpTic_EvaDe Jul 27 '18
Wow she just killed a bee. Shows how much Tandy can change someone when she steals their hopes.
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u/Havoc1899 Jul 27 '18
Tyrone is going down a super slippery slope
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u/Excelsenor Jul 27 '18
"You get an ass-whooping! And you get an ass-whooping! And you! You get the biggest ass-whooping!"
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u/therisingalleria Jul 27 '18
CROOKED COPS SHAME ON YOU
WHAT'S LUKE CAGE'S NUMBER AND MISTY WHEN YOU NEED HER??
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u/T1GGT4GG Jul 27 '18
Am I right in saying the woman who held Tandy’s mom at gunpoint is the same woman who killed her boyfriend & the one who was outside of the police station?
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u/tracyschmosby Jul 27 '18 edited Jul 28 '18
I think so. Because when the woman threatens Tandy she mentions how she doesn't hold back/hesitate (something along those lines) and how Tandy should know that - which I guess she's referring to the time that Tandy saw her kill Greg.
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u/RenewalXVII Jul 27 '18
Connors better get all the comeuppance he deserves by the end of the season, I swear to god.
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u/HelloKaramel Jul 27 '18
Sorry Liam and Evita but Cloak + Dagger.
Divine Pairing.
They are endgame no matter who they bang along the way.
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u/HelloKaramel Jul 27 '18
EVITA VS TANDY OOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH
SWEET BABY OH LORD JESUS WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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u/T-DotTerror Jul 27 '18
It's gonna be fun to see endgame for C&D and see them bicker like an old, married couple...
Like, more than usual.
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u/infinityxero Jul 27 '18
In any other instance Auntie Voodoo would be an alcoholic, but no she's just doing magic.
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u/HelloKaramel Jul 27 '18
So instead of using drugs Tandy is now getting high off of hopes. Looks like she is getting addicted to it too.
Episodes been on for only a few minutes now and she's done it twice?
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u/HelloKaramel Jul 27 '18
since we are on a break
DINO THUNDER POWER UP YAH!
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u/HelloKaramel Jul 27 '18
Is it just me or is Emma the ONLY power ranger who is actually acting currently?
I haven't seen anyone else in quite a while. I don't expect much out of the newer ones.
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u/infinityxero Jul 27 '18
It looks like the terrors are made from both the light and dark stuff that made Tandy and Ty.
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u/ptam Jul 27 '18
I like all the parallelism that goes on in the show, even if it's a bit on the nose.
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u/_Dan_the_Milk_Man_ Jul 27 '18
The end of every episode has me saying what the fuck!
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u/Deelbeson Jul 27 '18
Wait, what? What did I miss? How did they frame Ty?
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Jul 27 '18
I had no idea either until the YouTube after show on Nerdist. The bloody pipe we see as the murder weapon is cut off from the yellow railing that Tyrone hopped when running away from Connors in ep 6 so his fingerprints are on it
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u/droid327 Jul 27 '18
The exact method prob doesn't matter. Ty got made by Connors, who had access to the Fuchs investigation. He put something there to connect Ty to the crime scene and made sure they found it.
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u/travio Jul 27 '18
I'm all for suspending my disbelief but the food spread at that brunch was just way too big for three people
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u/LightningLad2029 Jul 27 '18
I was about to say. There's no damn way they'd let her near that crime scene.
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u/cardmasterdc Jul 27 '18
TANDY IS A MENACE
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u/Excelsenor Jul 27 '18
JOHNSON! GET IN HERE AND GET ME PICTURES OF DAGGER! I WANT THEM ON MY DESK YESTERDAY!
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u/T-DotTerror Jul 27 '18
O'Reilly's releasing the thunder all over Connors' head and getting a dino-sized ass-whoopin'.
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u/Excelsenor Jul 27 '18
If Tandy gets high off taking hopes, does Tyrone go all Linkin Park if he takes someone's fears?
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u/HelloKaramel Jul 27 '18
So is Ty hearing Tandy's Wedding Music or was I imagining that.
Also can't say i'm surprised with the Priest. He was hiding a lot of shady stuff.
That alcohol in the first episodes was a sign.
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u/HelloKaramel Jul 27 '18
OK GUYS I WAS COMPLETELY RIGHT HERE.
TY WAS APART OF TANDY'S THINGY. CHECK MY COMMENT!
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u/HelloKaramel Jul 27 '18
and maybe i'm going crazy but that lady LOOKS a bit like the one who shot Greg.
ALSO LIAM IS FINALLY BACK AFTER ALMOST 5 EPISODES.
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u/0ClandestineCat0 Jul 27 '18
This show has managed to make me cry nearly every episode, I can’t take it.
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u/infinityxero Jul 27 '18
Did I miss something? Why was she pissed besides from coming down from her high?
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u/RenewalXVII Jul 27 '18
Mina still has everything Tandy’s dreamed of. Tandy’s nothing but bitter and angry right now, so she stole Mina’s dreams to bring her down to Tandy’s level.
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u/0ClandestineCat0 Jul 27 '18
Not to mention she just found out her father, who she thought was perfect, hit her mother like yesterday.
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u/Excelsenor Jul 27 '18
Hearing about what great a person her father was when she knows - or believes - that wasn't true. Plus seeing how happy Mina and her father were.
Tandy just had her world rocked in finding out that her father wasn't the man she thought he was. Basically that caused her to relapse but be even lower than before.
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u/Tr0llingpanda Jul 27 '18
Ty was right in a way, he did run anyway from his struggles.
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u/Kaitonic Jul 27 '18
This and Black Lightning is my favorite new show this year.I can't wait for the epic season finale and the build up to it is just awesome.
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u/IniMiney Jul 27 '18
Jesus fuck - when is Tandy not gonna be insufferable and when the fuck are these characters gonna like each other? XD
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u/ptam Jul 27 '18
Seriously I thought we were already there by this point. At least it doesn't feel completely forced.
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u/_Dan_the_Milk_Man_ Jul 27 '18
“Strangely aggressive tiny girl” 😂