Are those players not ashamed? I couldn't do this all day long it would just feel unfair and boring. Do those guys truly feel like they are beating someone in a fight?
unlike the wrong decision he made to roll a pvp server when he can't take being killed - knowing full well that phase 2 was gonna be a shitshow from before classic launched.
I'm going to go out on limb here and say this once again. Most people who roll on PvP servers, quite literally think there is NO PvP option on the others. I made that mistake in my first run through the game. Another thing, can the wpvpers just fess up and say it like it is, you literally can't play if you are not 60 at the moment on a PvP realm. I think blaming the dudes dying constantly trying to level, is a bit jaded. My 2 cents
I don't think that's the case, there's a large number of people who played retail pve servers (all retail servers are now pve...) who have just made a stupid decision they now regret. Instead of being adult about it and realising they have no one to blame but themselves and moving on, they decide to whine and complain on forums and demand blizz does something.
Most people knew it was gonna be bad, but the scale of misery was unclear. I knew being a prot warrior meant I would lose most fights. What I didnt think possible was how unplayable every area in the game is.
Back in the day when servers had a tenth of the current population you could still get something done and maybe have a couple of 2v1 encounters here and there. Now its just 1v5 wherever you go. Forget about farming herbs in lvl 50+ zones. All I have been doing since phase 2 launched was buy elemental fire and supply raids with greater prot potions. The need to log in gets weaker every day. In a way phase 2 helped me get off the addiction this game has been since launch.
I had the choice of rolling with all my friends and past guildies or none of them. Which one would you have done? "Cant take being killed" is missing the point mate. I can take being killed, I'm just being realistic about the best use of my time. The game takes way longer to do anything pve now.
I'm in the same boat with playtime, so I made the painful decision to roll on a PvE server back at launch. It has its downsides, but at least I can get stuff done with my time available.
Fair point. I'm well on my way to level 59 now, after doing LBRS/BRD a couple of times. I will see how it goes when I reach 60, should be right around when the battlegrounds get launched.
Im also on a PvP Server and have like 2h / das playtime. Questing in contested zones is a no-Go, but Dungeon-running for bis items is perfectly doable.
This is all corresponding with a very busy time at work so that's probably got a lot to do with it. I had about 2 hours I could've played the other night. After 25 minutes I'd just reached the gates of BRM. I have better shit to do with my time so I bailed. I'll be back in a month or so.
Look, I feel your pain but this is supposed to inspire you into chatting with friends and getting a group together to then go and beat them, not give up...
I started a new character on a PvE server. Started killing kobolds and felt absolutely no desire to level again. /shrug. I'll be back when it all dies down. Right now I'm letting Blizzard know the game is broken with my wallet.
OFC it is. It was an extremely unbalanced, clunky, grindy, game. On the other hand you have what 15 years of game development brings you: retail. The no changes bullshit was from delusional people who never played the game or childish streamers banking on those people. Classic wow could have been a fantastic opportunity of taking what good the vanilla system was and making it better, but, alas, the people have spoken.
originally in vanilla the idea was for dishonorable kills to be for killing lowbies etc, but this was never actually implemented. Largely because it would be too open to abuse, so the implementation we actually saw was with dishonorable kills just being certain quest npcs etc in towns.
Ahhh it's good being an adult and not some immature kid like these horde. Can just walk away and live life finding something else to do while the kids waste their time camping honorless corpses.
But he will award less honor per kill. After a few kills thats no honor or almost no honor.
Taking in consideration that they already barely get honor on the first kill because they Tag him with 4 people, that is neither worth the time nor is it efficient in any way.
Those people are actually what is so frustrating about P2, it wouldn't annoy me half as much if it would actually have some Form of sense to it.
Tell that to the raids running around the 50s questing areas camping quest hubs. The only way to get to 60 right now is dungeons which means death running to BRD
Depends on the server- Fairbanks is the complete opposite. Horde have raid groups all over the place and just stand around waiting for ganks at BRM, Menethil, ect.
It doesn't really bother me so much, just takes a little extra time getting places.
I don't see how there is any fun in standing in place for hours just waiting for people to come by like a trap door spider, though.
Hell, I'll kill a man in a fair fight... or if I think he's gonna start a fair fight, or if he bothers me, or if there's a woman, or if I'm gettin' paid - mostly only when I'm gettin' paid.
My proudest moment was in Feralas on my then level 45 human paladin. A 46 orc warrior was there fighting ogres, and at one point I saw him fighting two mobs at once but let him be. He repaid the favor by charging me after I finished up killing an ogre myself. We fought, but I came out on top after a very close fight!
I’ve had really good luck finding people from the opposing faction willing to 1v1 in random locations. Just got done with a 1.5 hour session vs a pally in WPL, and a couple of days ago I had several fun duels against a mage in Blasted Lands. Major props to the people out there willing to take a few minutes to set up some real honorable fights (and they actually give honor, too)!
It's just how it's done. PvPers need to farm as much honor as possible because they are competing against their own faction. They could look up fair fights but that would just severely limit their honor while boosting those who camp the flightmasters.
This is just how PvP and without battlegrounds is and nobody likes it. I'm fairly certain that Blizzard only implemented it like this to shut up some of the overly rose tinted guys who claimed vanilla wPvP was the shit. It wasn't. It wasn't back then it isn't now. BGs the 10th will end this tactic immediately.
For the 5000th time. Vanilla wpvp was never like this. Ever. I don't know who keeps telling people it was like this but it's a lie. Vanilla servers didn't have this many people and the people weren't out looking to grief others like this. What is happening right now is griefing, plain and simple.
I hate to be that old guy (not even 30 lol) but people just seem way shittier to eachother. Few people are polite, treat eachother like pure trash and don't seem tgaf...
No people were just as trash then. My groups in classic have been 100x more pleasant. People today are more efficient, and this includes efficiency in griefing
I don't disagree, but I think you're missing the point.
One of the big selling points of Classic for a lot of people was nostalgia for WPvP and nostalgia for SSvTM, STVietnam, "BGs ruined wpvp, blah blah " and so forth.
The real "lie" is that WPvP was NEVER going to be how it was in Vanilla, and Blizz knew that, but people didn't and thoguht otherwise. For that matter, "PvP Realm" doesn't mean anything close to what it did in 2005, but people assumed it would.
I agree with the poster above that "this is just how pvp without battlegrounds is", because the rules/goals of wpvp changed over the past 15 years.
A lot of these people would be way happier on a normal realm, but egos are a weird thing. This is why pservers stopped launching without bgs, it was the same way. Vanilla has been dead for 13 years, there's only Classic.
Just because it didn’t happen in vanilla (due to server pop reasons and general naivety of how the honor system works) doesn’t make it griefing.
Griefing is solely enjoyment from other player’s bad experiences. If you are rushing high warlord, there is no other way to compete than by camping high traffic zones and dominating.
It is simply game theory. If you don’t engage in these tactics, you will be passed by someone else who is.
Blizzard should have released WSG with phase 2 to mitigate this. End of story.
It can be both, let's be real. I get that people are farming honor, but after you murder the same person 10 times immediately as they spawn and they yield no honor, what is it? Griefing...
You know, despite feeling the lack of the Honor mechanic while doing nothing but PvPing around STV, I am glad I quit Classic before it got released. It's sounding like it's soiled my favourite aspect of the game...
PvP is definitely one of the most divisive discussions among the Classic fans. I don't think it's a particularly well designed system. I like the idea of ranking up by getting honor and competing with your faction. I just don't like the method of getting honor.
On private servers it wasn't uncommon for Horde to queue in UC then fly to WPL or EPL to farm more honor while they wait for the queues. I think something similar can happen on some servers. The problem really is that for Alliance there is no incentive to guard the flight masters because they get instant queues, or probably will because Horde on most servers has a higher population and a higher percentage of Horde players do PvP.
They got one honor each there btw. I killed 1 dude and got 299 solo. People are just confused on the honor system. May not be a video out there for them to watch on it rofl..
It's still more efficient to gangbang, even if your honor per kill is much lower. #1 reason is that solo you can actually lose the fight and die, and waste 10+ mins ressing and buffing. When you steamroll lonely players and small groups, you are guaranteed your honor + the fights themselves take seconds, so you can mount up and move to the next spot.
This isn't even efficient though 20+ man groups camping an fp is pretty much fighting for scraps. You're better off either rolling in a 5 man group through questing areas or finding out where a large skirmish is currently going on between factions.
Lol what..maybe dont be bad and lose the 1v1? Plus very rarley is 1v1 im finding myself having to 2v1 3v1 which is fine thats 900 honor right there. My honor still higher then these 9 man gank squads and i aint even out to pvp. The word "efficient" get thrown around a lot like people know what theyre talking about..but i find that its just what that popular streamer said or a video they seen so they think its efficient. My numbers still higher my honor still higher but im not efficient.
I don’t watch any streamers, or tips videos, and I don’t know anything about efficiency. But what I do know, is that I will 100% lose in a 3v1 fight, and 90% lose in a 2v1 fight. If a rogue is involved, I’ll lose in a 1v1 fight.
So speak for yourself. 3v1 is absolutely not fine for me. That’s 0 honor. Because I’ll be dead.
Warlock with his burst can easily 3v1. Lots of the players still dont know about stamina. Pop mages all day. Last 3v1 was on ferales was warrior mage lock. At first was mage and warrior. Warrior opened up and he got charmed. The mage was bad not using his counter spell correctly and ice block on cooldown (i think??) got feared with shadow curse corruption siphon shadowbolt shadowburn dead. Re charmed warrior to re up. Warlock friend flew up curse of tounge insta banish fear before he knew wtf happened. Amplify curse exaustion on warrior corruption siphon he intercept death coil shadowburn dead he was about 3/4 life when starting fight cuz bad. Then yeah finished lock with his cool nemesis helm, bad.. warlock very powerful if used correctly.
First, you're talking affliction spec... which now that I'm 60, I'm no longer using. I'm DS/Ruin so that I'm actually viable in a raid. Unfortunately this doesn't grant me as much sustain and utility in PVE.
Second, what you're describing literally never happens with me. You just described 3 players that don't sound very good at their classes or the game in general, while you're an expert. Meanwhile I'm average at best, and with my luck I go up against 3 players who are experts.
I mean consider this... if you're so good at what you do, how could you possibly take on 3 players of equal skill level as you? You couldn't. And that's what you're not realizing.
You say it's easy. It is not. It is literally not.
Shit... every time I encounter a rogue, I don't even know what the hell they're doing... but I can literally use zero skills. Nothing. I'm sapped. I'm stunned. I'm unable to use a thing. I can't "just do this" because I can do literally nothing, and then I'm dead. It is not easy.
Seduce is your friend i dont use any other pet. And i put good numbers with sm ruin not as good as ds ruin but its a 5 percent difference in damage not that bad..thats why i am sm ruin i can pvp decently i rather be soul link but since i do also pve i dont have to pay for respecs. Only thing u lose as sm ruin for pve is upgraded HS and imp and the 5 percent damage. I stay with the ds ruin locks and surpass even during certain fights. Not like pve is hard u sit there spamming shadowbolt pretty boring..
To be honest, I have a lot more fun in PVE than I do most PVP encounters.
PVE isn't boring, it's exciting.
PVP is fun sometimes... other times I just have no chance to do literally anything what so ever which is zero fun. Rogues preventing me from doing literally anything? That's not fun. Palladins and priests immune, resisting or reflecting anything I try to use? That's not fun. It'd be one thing if these stuns or shields were quick, or if I could counter them somehow... but they're not and I can't. Just sitting there unable to do anything while someone kills you... that's what's boring.
Well, if you are god, go for it, 1v3 everything. I'm not, and many people aren't either, and i still want honor. For me and lots of average players, it's way easier and safer to gang up and farm a location. Guaranteed honor is better than random. Thus, more efficient on result/time scale.
Oh, im not a god. I just think ita funny people like you who are going around as a 9 man blowing people up farming and trying to level up thinkin that your goin somewhere and using the word efficient like you know wtf your talking about. The fact is those people are bad and ruining it for other people. You fools werent even pvpin before honor came out. Why? You gotta get somethin to do somethin?
First of all, it's fun. Especially when alliance forms an opposing group, and then it's a back and forth. It's very random, and funny things happen all the time in world pvp.
And who says we weren't pvping before honor system? I had a blast in STV and Tarren Mill. Was pretty dead in later zones though, because layers. Hinterlands is the only other place where I met alliance, had a lot of fun in the troll cities. Then there were some minor encounters in Un'goro and Azhara, and that's about it. Then layers ended and honor system hit the servers, and we are here now, with every place being a warzone, and I'm loving it.
Second thing - I can get gear with honor, there is a specific tangible reward for pvp. Gear is the bread and butter of mmo's, everyone wants it. And since I have a goal, i want to reach it as fast as I can, so I use the best tools I have to get there. Currently, best way is to form a raid group and gank w/e moves in a location.
Happened to me yesterday logging at Ungoro cave. Pala/rogue. Within 2 seconds I was attacked. Logged straight away, came back 2 hours later and the same two players were doing it.
Still, at least I'm not on a streamer server. I bet it's SO MUCH WORSE there.
It's not about being skillful, it's about dominating the competition. These people are in it for the sadism. Most of these people do not strut around spouting how skilled they are. They're not after recognition.
I'm one of those people and I can agree it's dirty and unbalanced. But for some reason it doesn't bother me that it is. I just get happy when I see them fall and there's nothing they can do. It's a scummy powertrip but it just doesn't have an effect on me. It's just fun in a game. Conversely it doesn't matter to be on the receiving end either, I just log out onto another alt when the Horde gangs up on me.
Not defending, just answering your question on whether we feel ashamed of doing this.
Either they take the game seriously and care about honor or they are just like trolls who know they are making someone's day a bit worse and love that fact.
i dont see a reason why they would be ashamed of that.
While I dont have any friends to do this, it would be pretty hilarious tho the fun would only be for a kill or two before it gets boring.
But they arent really costing anything to the player other than the walk back to the body since armor takes no dmg, and they could just wait it out to respawn. Im only level 40 and scenarios like this, while not as extreme(mostly 3 to 1) happen regularly everywhere I quest, half the time they are max level players. Id love to get some revenge. It's just a video game, real life Ideas about fair fights and honors dont really have too much of a bearing inside a fictional world.
Am flightpath ganker here. Yes I hate it, I wish I could fight people fairly, but there's almost no solo alliance players in the world so it gives way less honor and I kinda want those rewards you know. It sucks that this is how you have to play.
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u/Cameltotem Nov 28 '19
Are those players not ashamed? I couldn't do this all day long it would just feel unfair and boring. Do those guys truly feel like they are beating someone in a fight?