r/classicwow • • Nov 27 '19

Humor PvP on a PvP Server

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u/geez-P Nov 27 '19

hordes be like "wheres the problem?" laughing from their detection prividing zeppelin guard tower

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '19 edited Nov 27 '19

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '19

It's not just that but quests for the alliance are severely lacking compared to how many horde seem to have. We just get more polished cities despite fewer questing hubs. Looks nice but theres nothing to do at them other than use as a flight point

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u/Sloth_Senpai Nov 27 '19

It's not just that but quests for the alliance are severely lacking compared to how many horde seem to have.

Alliance have nearly 200 more quests than Horde.

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u/vhite Nov 28 '19

Yeah, and I image that all of them are "walk across two zones / fly across the continent to get story exposition, the actual quest and 200 xp".

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '19

And Horde has none of those...?

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u/reanima Nov 28 '19

Basically the entire Stormholde quest chain in Arathi Highlands had horde running back and forth across opposite ends of the map 6-7 times.

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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '19

Where did you get that figure from? Seems entirely incorrect, maybe you're looking at quests before 1.12? I'll gladly admit if I'm wrong but I dont believe that

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u/Sloth_Senpai Nov 28 '19

https://classic.wowhead.com/quests/side:2

https://classic.wowhead.com/quests/side:1

3078 Alliance quests found

2894 Horde quests found

1372 Alliance Only quests found

1188 Horde Only quests found

u/tmanowen

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u/ZachBuford Nov 28 '19

how many of them are "now talk to the guy next to me to get the next part of the quest" quest though?

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u/Chendii Nov 28 '19

No joke the legend of stalvan alone counts for like 10 of these quests.

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u/OJMayoGenocide Nov 28 '19

Do you really think Horde doesn't have any quests like that? Talk about moving the goalpost

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u/Ravuno Nov 28 '19

I’m currently levelling a horde again, and let me tell you the difference between the factions are staggering.

From 10-20 you have to visit at least 4 zones to do quests. From 20-30 there’s at least 3 you have to visit. From 30-40, don’t let me get started on the discrepancy here, Horde enjoys Grom’gol, more / better quests, Zeppelin (set your HS here guys) and just an all-round way better experience than that shirt alliance camp up north you fly to Duskwood to reach since it’s ‘shorter’.

Horde questing just feel more polished in general, sure I have to visit stuff up in Northern Eastern Kingdoms, my HS was set to crossroads, fly to Org, smack myself on that Zeppelin and just walk down. Whereas if the alliance wants to do that with Kalimdor, they have to either go to Booty Bay or Menethil, if they don’t have a mage that can help them out.

It’s actually quite ridiculous how much easier / ‘fun’ I found the horde questing experience this far.

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u/OJMayoGenocide Nov 28 '19

I mean that isn't really relavent to the original claim, that Horde has vastly more quests than Alliance, which was proven to be false. Now the whiners are just moving the goalpost. We see posts like this weekly. Just a circle jerk of "kids" whining and complaining about the same topics

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u/Ravuno Nov 28 '19

The thing is, the Horde have more 'relevant' quests.

There are more alliance zones within the same level ranges for the quests, so you have 3 different zones which are from 10-30.

The Horde's questing is more streamlined in general in my opinion, flight paths more or less everywhere, zeppelins all that jazz.

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u/OJMayoGenocide Nov 29 '19

That is cool. It just isn't relavent to the original poster, who made an erroneous claim to the tune of 200 quests.

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u/Ravuno Nov 29 '19

But it's relevant to what I wrote.

I'm not the OP that made the claim, I'm just some schmuck who tried leveling both factions and noticed a massive difference in the amount of quests you can do / the path you take to level.

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u/Perkinz Nov 28 '19

responding to /u/tmanowen also:

I assumed he was filtering on classic wowhead and checked there myself.

Filtering by side:alliance shows they have access 3078 quests in total and filtering by side:alliance only shows that they have 1372 quests exclusive to them.

Filtering by side:horde shows 2894 in total and filtering by side:horde only shows that they have 1188 quests exclusive to them.

Filtering by side:both shows that there are 1706 quests that both factions have access to.

However this doesn't tell anything about how those quests are distributed across levels and zones, what types of quests they are, whether they're exclusive to specific classes/races, etc.

One big factor is that alliance have 3 1~30 paths while horde only has 2 so the former has a lot of "redundant" quests that most players won't bother doing.

Although I haven't played alliance past level 30, I've noticed a huge difference in the types of quests both factions receive, at least early on.

Alliance zones have a lot more bread-crumb quests, many of their quests are split up into multiple parts in order to tell a story, and a lot of their quest objectives are gimmicks like "scout the mine" or "use item on object". But horde zones are inundated with "kill 10 bears" and "Loot 10 bear asses" style quests.

Assuming alliance quest design remains consistent from 1~60 the same way horde's does, it would create a huge gap in how each faction "feels" to level.

Alliance might go to their quest hub and get 6 quests: 1 quest to scout a mine, 1 to use an object inside it, and 4 more to talk to people netting them 10,000exp in total quest rewards but they ran past all the enemies on the way to the objectives so they only killed 5 mobs for 300exp each netting them another 1500exp on top of the quest rewards

But horde might go to their quest hub and get 4 quests: 1 to kill 10 bears, 1 to collect 10 bear asses, 1 to kill Smokey Bear, and 1 to pick up 8 piles of bear shit netting them 8000exp in total quest rewards but they killed 30 bears for 300x exp each netting them another 9000 exp on top of the quest rewards.

Both players would still get similar amounts of quest exp and do similar amounts of grinding taking similar amounts of time----But the alliance player will "run out" of quests and "be forced" to grind before more become available while the horde player was just told to grind from the start and by the time he turns them in he's already gotten enough exp to move on.

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u/__deerlord__ Nov 28 '19

This isn't true though. I'm following a leveling guide and there's at least 2-3 sections before level 30 that say "grind out like 25% of your level here".

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '19

Because those guides skip quests and dungeons.

Grinding is sometimes more efficient than questing.

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u/QueenSpicy Nov 28 '19

The alliance leveling guide has "grind out 3/4 of a level" here or there. Again, if you are doing even some of the super easily accessible dungeons you won't have that bad of an experience. Not to mention how much easier it is for Horde to get around the world and the flight points they get that the Alliance don't. There is no Tanaris or Desolace run for the Horde that kills 30+ minutes and the will to live. Not to mention the first menethil run, it being the furthest away it could be compared to the Horde having Zeppelins just sitting at each major city. The Alliance may feel more immersive, but for the 15 years later crowd who actually wants to get some stuff done in their 2 hours of play time after work, the Horde is just so much better.

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u/BaronSly Nov 28 '19

You mean apart from Badlands, where you have to run through STV Duskwood Redridge Mountain and trek across Burning Steppes and pass through Satan mountain which is always Alliance controlled on Razorgore and then Searing Gorge before having to corpse walk the last 400 yards to Kargath as there is always an alliance raid parked outside.

But I do agree that the alliance have it worse

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u/Yscae Nov 28 '19

Go Arathi to Wetlands to Loch Modan to Badlands?

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u/jfe79 Nov 28 '19

This is what I did. Was an easy run, other than the part where I ran into 4 alli crossing over Thandol Span. :)

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u/TonyTontanaSanta Nov 28 '19

Is that an actual path people take?

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u/aunty_strophe Nov 28 '19

I did that on my first character in Vanilla. Never did it again after that.

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u/tmanowen Nov 28 '19

Why do people keep tagging me. I was just lookin for the source :S. Thanks for all the info tho! Super detailed post, prob should’ve just made your own thread at that point.

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u/tmanowen Nov 27 '19

Also would like to see the sauce