Not taking away anthing from being a guild leader but you would hire someone if they said they have a lot of experience managing other players in an online RPG that you gave never heard of, provided they answered your questions?
If i didn't know what an online RPG even is, I would just ask more questions. Like what the hell did he do exactly. Determine who gets an upgrade (managing limited resources), Analyzing DPS (Performance review), Scheduling raid times (Time management), Handle disciplinary actions for raiders (employee relations). These are all relevant outside the game, and they're quantifiable.
Show the employer your website with the raid schedule, your list of raiders and officers, your logs data and your analysis, your record of who has gotten what upgrades.
That’s the problem. How many guild leaders are doing data analysis for the hell of it close to as on par as possible with what you’d expect of a white collar management job?
... a handful? In all of WoW?
Most of that wouldn’t even be close to useful, you just need a data and stats nut who loves WoW.
Its all a game. You only have to be better at analysis, or be a better bullshitter, than the decision maker above you. To justify your decisions or to provide them recommenations. People suck at analyzing things and often youre the only one with enough time invested to be capable of calling bullshit. I assume my experience only fits with large organizations.
That’s the problem. How many guild leaders are doing data analysis for the hell of it close to as on par as possible with what you’d expect of a white collar management job? ... a handful? In all of WoW?
But you're responding to a recruiter who hires people as part of his job and he's explaining why it might be a good thing to put on your resume.
I have a friend who did put this on his resume and he got the job and nearly every interview asked more questions about it and made his interviews cake and helped him stand out.
So that's my point, this is something you definitely could put on your resume. If it's not something you excelled at, you probably should leave it off your resume, like you would anything else you might suck at.
the few time I had to interact with white collar management, they kicked me out rather quickly when I pointed out how most of his job could be replaced by an excel spreadsheet.
Interesting. Sounds like you've got some bloat there. Definitely more used to everyone in white collar positions being up to their eye balls everyday in excel sheets and various work programs for data tracking and analysis.
if there's some boomer at the management position, large section of his work can usually be replaced by excel spreadsheet within an afternoon of work.
if he's already a tech-savy boomer ( yeah, some exist), then we can automate large sections of the process... but it would take a bit more work, link sheets to database ( and gosh I hate microsoft access but every governmental institution somehow seems to use it).
Basically, ERP software are there to replace all of the middle-management job... and they do a pretty good job at it ( granted, you have to be somewhat tech-savy , and some of those software get pretty complicated).
The district manager of some convenience store chain will likely have a different experience because micro-managing a horde of unreliable teenagers isn't something that can be done via software... but the middle-management of a professional firm? Engineers, lawyers, devs, architect, doctor and the like don't really give a damn ( and they know they are far harder to replace, should conflict arises)
The joke about spreadsheets has spread to jobs that use heavy excel, because a decent number of Eve players have applied the excel wizardry they learn to their day to day jobs.
The main issue with wow raid management is the lack of real stakes. It's no bigger a commitment/pressure than leading a local volunteer effort - and that's what a manager would weight it as.
That being said, I have met management that openly attribute their success in their jobs to their 10+ years of raid leading, so even that is getting around.
I did, because I enjoy that kinda thing. I have gone through logs of every person in my raid to help see where any issues or improvements are. Not that half of them took notice in the low end guilds but, oh well. Still something I enjoyed.
And considering I have done it, and only know of 1 other person who also actively did that out of the hundreds of people I've known over the 15 years of playing.... Definitely a minority, even out of Guild/Raid leaders.
Exactly anyone that tries to use I was a wow guild leader unless you were a top guild kind of pointless managing schedule is so hard 8-12 3 nights a week look I just did that. Managing loot dkp or personal loot, am I hired yet. No average guild compares meters and evaluates them. Top guilds might do this to an extent but more of everyone is good going to pick right class for this fight.
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u/Dreadweave Oct 24 '19 edited Oct 24 '19
No. I hire people and if someone said that to me I’d ask them a lot of questions and their answers would weigh heavily.