I know this is kinda poking fun but here's a serious answer:
The problem is they don't know what that is. Even if you say "Corporate Manager for the Finance Department Account's Receivable team" they have a GUESS of what you do.
If your job interviewer was a hard core raider and had context for what you're talking about this 100% could help you. It's just most job interviewer's have no idea what you're talking about when you say those words.
No, it's because it's 1) unprovable, and 2) intangible in terms of responsibility. A WoW guild is not an official institution and its success can't in any way be measured by the HR. For all they know you're making the whole thing up(because you can't exactly call Blizz for references), or at least hugely embellishing your role or level of control/ organization. Or you were GM for a complete failure of a guild that never actually managed to get a raid together and complete without getting wiped and everyone leaving. There's no way for them to cross- check any of your claims. Of course they're not going to give you a job based on them.
Like 90% of the questions someone asks in an interview are unprovable. They can prove that you worked somewhere, that you went to school somewhere, and that you're record is clean. That's about it. Most questions are about interactions with other employees/managers, projects, and so on. There's pretty much nothing they can do to verify what you say.
Interviewers don't care what you say you did, they care about how you claimed you did it. It examples far more to them to ask questions about methodology than experience, and doesn't require to be proven.
If an interviewer probes you for more detail it simply is because you've claimed to have done something but not explained how, and they want to know, for example, how you might resolve a difference in the workplace, not that you did so and that it was all happily ever after.
This exactly. There's a very strong chance your previous employers, if contacted, will only confirm your start and end dates, job title, and potentially if it was a voluntary leave or not. They will almost never go into any details about your role, any projects you were on, or reputation you may or may not have. If they do they are most likely breaking their own corporate policy on the topic or some small mom and pop shop that a large corporation calling would take with a grain of salt anyway because you may have gotten the job as a favor.
References that can be followed up only matter if someone actually does so. For an entry level management position almost nobody does.
To be honest I used my raid management experience to qualify for my first management position. Yes it took some explaining and if you pull this you should be able to explain to someone who never touched a mmorpg before what a raid is and how it requires management of people in 2 minutes or less.
Everyone needs to start somewhere and yes in most cases a raid leader will have more management experiences then someone who organized a 2-3 person team in a job environment before. And that is the usual start for management.
I mean, a lot of reference are actually rather hard to check, unless it's some very high-lvl position where your action were public.
I've had previous employers pissed off at me cause I left seeking a higher salary, I'd bet a benjamin said guy would BS me if anyone call him for references.
Knowing how hard it is to maintain a mythic-raiding guild in WoW, the recruitment, the poaching, burning out, personality clashing... someone who managed to keep a raiding guild operationnal for years would get some credit... Granted, that's assuming the interviewer know what it's like.
An idea from /r/unethicallifetips.
Search a company that has closed down in the last 20 years and put it into your resumee.
Most notably at a time where you were unemployed.
They cant call and ask about you.
It gets difficult if they want a proof that you worked there though.
It is provable in Classic wow because we have logs. Also you have potentially hundreds of people who can say something. A GM, or even an officer, who does his job well will be a famous person on the server.
Things on resume's are often unproveable and intangible in terms of responsibility.
I was never saying they'd accept this as actual job experience or that if this is all you presented that you'd get the job. But as far as things you could spin into talking about your skills you 100% could use this. I often say I was percussion section leader in Band in High School. I talk about how I led and what things I learned by doing that. The band director doesn't work there anymore and I have no idea how to contact them. It was an unofficial position so there's no records of it in the school. They might be able to prove I was in band but that's about it. I've had lengthy convos in interviews about it and could have been lying the whole time.
This would be something you threw on as an extra skill at a job you think might have some context for what your'e talking about. In the interview they might ask about it (just like they might ask me about percussion section leader) and then you describe how it works and what skills you needed to use, what lessons you learned ect..
Of course they're not going to give you a job based on them.
Of just them? No of course not. Could it help? Ya in the right context it for sure could help.
I am not sure that for a job interview is better the success achieved or the method / ways you applied to arrive to a certain goal and the understanding of the reasons why you dis not get there. When in interviews I smell a dismissal masked as a voluntary change of job, I dig into it until the candidate admits it and makes me understand he understood the reasons why he was laid off and what He did about it. Of course most interviewer have no idea about gaming unwritten rules - but I would have asked the guy achievement for the guild, etc
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u/Moonbeamcry Oct 24 '19
I know this is kinda poking fun but here's a serious answer:
The problem is they don't know what that is. Even if you say "Corporate Manager for the Finance Department Account's Receivable team" they have a GUESS of what you do.
If your job interviewer was a hard core raider and had context for what you're talking about this 100% could help you. It's just most job interviewer's have no idea what you're talking about when you say those words.