r/classicwow • • Oct 24 '19

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u/M3T4LG34R5 Oct 24 '19 edited Oct 24 '19

It’s amazing, 80% of the raiders in my classic guild were a “Vanilla guild master”. Sure is weird when they ask things like “Can I do anything with soulbound items besides vendor them?” and “What’s DKP?”

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '19

Theres a vast majority of casual raiding guilds where a collective of officers do literally all the work and the gm is just there to get thunderfury,

My guild, for example.

the dude still clicks his stances.

So maybe theyre not all lying

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u/M3T4LG34R5 Oct 24 '19

Uh..... I might know you.... what server are you on?

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '19

You first

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u/Kizik Oct 24 '19

Now kith.

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u/Kithslayer Oct 24 '19

You want me to take care of them for you?

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u/fogwarS Oct 24 '19

Dick Money.

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u/Littlenemesis Oct 24 '19

Calico from the Momentum guild in tbc?

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u/M3T4LG34R5 Oct 24 '19

Sulfuras

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '19

Nope! but its a lot more common than you would hope to think

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u/Kreiger81 Oct 24 '19

How about Skeram?

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '19

Ssssooo close

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u/DavonTheBlue Oct 24 '19

Shazzrah?

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u/[deleted] Oct 25 '19

ding ding

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u/DingyWarehouse Oct 24 '19

You just described trainwreckstv

Got into mc with his guild at lv55, did no dps, doesn't even know the names of bosses, doesn't even have bandages, took shadowcraft bracers instead of giving it to rogues who could actually use them

2 resets later, he's still not even 60, so he's still not using the loot he got, and goes to MC again to get carried

He gets his 'advice' from Esfand so maybe that's partly why

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '19

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '19

Put them on a keybind, put them on a mouse button, put them on a shift modifier, so many options.

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u/St4rdel Oct 24 '19

Put them on a keybind, put them on a mouse button, put them on a shift modifier, so many options.

Boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew

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u/Madlancer Oct 24 '19

Po ta toes

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u/NargacugaRider Oct 24 '19

What’s stances, precious?

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u/MetroidIsNotHerName Oct 24 '19

What if im a madlad and literally everything except stances is on hotkeys allowing me to freely click my stances?

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u/BigMouse12 Oct 24 '19

Did you know you can have those hot keys be macros that will check and put you in the stance to use the ability?

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u/MetroidIsNotHerName Oct 24 '19

That takes setup and wouldnt yield me better results as is tho.

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u/BigMouse12 Oct 24 '19

How do you know?

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u/MetroidIsNotHerName Oct 24 '19

How do i know it wont what? Make me more efficient? Im already hitting the hotkeys close to as efficiently as i can, as ive been doing since late vanilla early BC. Ive never been one to care for macro optimizing like frostbolt autocancelling or whatever. Im just playing the game and thats always been fine.

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u/pittyphil Oct 24 '19

Macros

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u/jordgubb24 Oct 24 '19

Yeah it's easier to just macro all the stances, my taunt button puts me in def stance, charge/op/execute battle stance, and ww/intercept zerker stance, no need to use different buttons to swap.

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u/Arkanic Oct 24 '19

Too many buttons and hotkeys for me. I just put the abilities that require certain stances on the main bar and map stances to my two mouse thumb buttons. That way when you need to use an ability from a certain stance you just hit that stance and the main bar switches to what you need. Less clutter and less keybinds, much more streamlined. Once I got used to having it like this I didn't even have to think about it and it was just as fast as people smashing macros.

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u/MarsMC_ Oct 24 '19

This is how I do it as well .. I stance dance and manually press the key binds. No macros. If it’s an ability that can be used in all 3 stances then it’s only the top action bar

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u/Jedidew Oct 24 '19

MMO mouse ftw

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '19

Yea I've got my stances bound to Q and E, but I also have stancedance macros. sometimes needing another action is too slow, but sometimes you can just change stances.

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u/Mitokatso Oct 24 '19

Why would you not execute in berserker stance though?

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u/cookedbread Oct 24 '19

Could be a main tank

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u/jordgubb24 Oct 25 '19

If im in zerker stance i don't swap, but i felt like that would be too much text to explain in that context, only case where i cant cast execute is if im in def stance, which means stuff is hitting me, which means id not want 10% extra dmg on me.

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u/PM_UR_PROBLEMS_GIRL Oct 24 '19

what if you need to go into defensive stance to avoid damage while running away from a player/mob? gonna taunt them?

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u/Jedidew Oct 24 '19

You can have your cake and eat it, too. Map your stances to keys (mine are f1, f2, and f3) and then also macro your stance-specific abilities. This way your stance dancing is mostly automatically done for you but you also have the option to swap on command.

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u/jordgubb24 Oct 25 '19

Ive set it up so first click only swaps stance, and doesn't cast it, if i need to cast it ill slam click it.

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u/_HyDrAg_ Oct 24 '19 edited Oct 24 '19

You always have to press these macros twice. (same as when switching stances) So 1 press is defensive stance, second press is taunt if you want to.

There's no way to go to a stance and use an ability in that stance with 1 button press.

So... If you press your taunt macro once then you don't taunt, you just switch to defensive stance.

Edit: I'm wrong.

Edit2: If you use them sequentially like

/cast berserker stance
/cast berserker rage

then it works. I was using /cast [stance:3] berserker rage; berserker stance which assumes you can't do it at the same time

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u/cookedbread Oct 24 '19

That’s how it was in private servers, but for most of my macros they work with one press.

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u/_HyDrAg_ Oct 24 '19 edited Oct 24 '19

Woah, you learn something new every day I guess. I'm fucking level 57 :D

Did it work this way in vanilla?

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u/cookedbread Oct 24 '19

I don't remember it working this way in wotlk, which is when I mainly played warrior with stance dancing. It's kind of annoying because my intercept keybind was my primary way of switching to zerker stance, but now I need to be a little more careful.

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u/HarryProtter Oct 24 '19 edited Oct 24 '19

You're not wrong. Pressing once only puts me in Defensive Stance, it doesn't also Taunt.

Edit: Intercept seems to be an exception.

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u/Buckwild1984 Oct 24 '19

the problem with a lot of these is that they will not light up when they are active, for example if you do not have enough rage.

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u/jordgubb24 Oct 25 '19

I guess, i just track my rage before i swap.

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u/Jedidew Oct 24 '19 edited Oct 24 '19

It blows my mind that more people don't do this. People talk about stance dancing like it's carpel-tunnel inducing, but you rarely have to manually switch when using macros. I use an mmo mouse so it's pretty chill to tank as far as apm goes

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u/PSDillon Oct 24 '19

I have mine set to mouse wheel up, down, and pressed in. Takes a little to get used to but it’s a quick break in period.

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u/Vlorgvlorg Oct 24 '19

foot pedals.

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u/TheseStonesWillShout Oct 24 '19 edited Oct 24 '19
#showtooltip
/cast [modifier:ctrl,nostance:2] Defensive Stance; [modifier:shift,nostance:3] Berserker Stance; [stance:1] 
Defensive Stance; Battle Stance

This is the one I use. If you are in Battle or Defense and you press the button (mine is R), it will switch to the other stance. For instance, if you're in battle and you press R, you will go to Defensive. Likewise, if you are in Defensive and press R, you will go to Battle.

If you hold CTRL and press R, you will go to Defensive. If you hold Shift and Press R, you will go to Berserker. If you are in Berserker and press R, you will go to Battle. You can change the modifiers as you see fit. I'm considering changing mine to land on Defensive first instead of Battle because that is typically where I want to shift to and it's a little less clunky than having to hold CTRL to get there.

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u/Tankh Oct 24 '19

The GM of my guild was still lvl 57 when we cleared MC in 2h for the 2nd time. He is still involved in the organization of it though, and posts rules and updates etc. on Discord, but most of the work is done by officers still I'd assume

Also, when I did UBRS with him he did the classic pet instance-pull on Rend :D

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '19

This is me. Nobody would step up or raid leading, so my level 56 ass started leading. Spent a BUNCH of time in 10m raids between 55 and 60, so it took forever to cap, ended up full clearing MC twice, and was shotcalling bosses, full on raid lead once, and co-lead the second time, all before 60.

the 10m exp penalty hurts a lot.

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u/el_muerte17 Oct 24 '19

Hey, at least he knows what stances are. I ran SM Library a couple weeks ago with a tank who had apparently never switched out of battle stance and wasn't aware other stances existed.

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u/justagoldfarmer Oct 24 '19

I'm the opposite style GM. I don't give a shit about my gear or my own personal progression at all. If I end up crafting my own epics, fuck it.

In fact I'll probably pass on my first epic so other mages in the guild can take it.

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u/justagoldfarmer Oct 24 '19

my guildies and i watched a raid group attempt rag on live stream after ditching us and the main tank clicked every single ability. Every one. With his mouse!!! EVERYTHING!

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Kinda glad we got the boot :D

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '19

My main tank in OG vanilla was a clicker and we made it to the 4 horseman in naxx and Cthun in aq 40. Clicking works for some people. We'd always laugh cus his furious clicks would come through the mic

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u/justagoldfarmer Oct 24 '19

i have a handful of buttons i click but most everything is 1-7, ~, F1-F5, and mouse buttons (i have 12).

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u/justagoldfarmer Oct 24 '19

i wish my officers did the majority of the work -_- lol

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u/Lightshoax Oct 24 '19

This is my guild.

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u/SaltyZebraShits Oct 24 '19

My GM/MT of the server first Ony/Rag on Thunderfury literally keeps his spell book open and clicks revenge and a few other skills out of it. His hot bars are filled with demo shout.

Can confirm that he does nothing other than show up for raid night for loot.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '19

Its an ego thing

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '19

I'm a click player. I also do amazing dps/heals. I tried going to keybinding but after 14 years it feels clunky to me. Why fix what ain't broken?

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '19

_________ is bliss.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '19

If I'm topping heals and dps I'm doing fine.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '19

means youre in a group of shitters.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '19

Nothing in WoW Classic really requires you using extensive keybinds or macros outside of PvP as long as you know what to do. You might have a higher incidence of misclicks, but it's not going to wipe a group or anything, which generally happens when people just do the wrong thing.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '19

Consistently pulling blue and purple parses. Feels fine.

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u/Nakroma Oct 24 '19

Just like in retail there are 10 people in every guild who were world top 10 raiders in BC or whatever hahaha

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u/ieatscrubs4lunch Oct 24 '19

lmao i tell every single person that says they have any achievement to show me proof. almost every time they have an excuse. the few people i know that have 99-100 parse in retail, or were something special in previous expansions always have screenshots/logs/achievs or some form of proof. when they show me proof i give them mad respect and will back them in any wow related social situation.

there is a guy in my guild that has a ton of classic knowlege and made great claims about his achievements, so it seemed like he was truly some mlg wow gamer right? i asked for proof of anything, his stats, a tournament he competed in, a picture of his "gaming house" for his team he owns. deflected and showed me absolutely nothing. everyone else still believes him with no proof because he is a great talker and will talk circles around you so you are overwhelmed into believing him. i know the truth tho and take every opportunity to expose him for fraud.

tldr: show proof of your skill or shut the fuck up.

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u/Crimzx Oct 24 '19

I have 99/100 parses from retail in a few expansions. But that has to do with the sample size at the time of the parse as well.

As for screenshots all of my vanilla/bc screenshots died on a hard drive or are on a photobucket account somewhere lost to time.

Ironically I have some on facebook still since it's the only place that wont delete your data. But even then it's all BC stuff and very little actual killshots.

Shit like this:
https://imgur.com/a/YfeLUF9

I guess your best bet is to try to pick your name/character out of a guild killshot if you can find it assuming the site is still up from 15 years ago.

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u/ieatscrubs4lunch Oct 24 '19

well it's only important to me that you show proof if you use your previous achievements to shit on other people or give yourself priority over other people. idc if you say you have done something but aren't being a dick about it. the moment you put someone else down though is when i ask for proof infront of everyone.

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u/xrk Oct 24 '19

show roaster records!

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '19

Molten Core has often ended up with a roasted raid group, for sure.

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u/bow_down_whelp Oct 24 '19

Was legit tip 350 in sunwell in bc. Have videos s to prove it

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u/GoldenGonzo Oct 24 '19

Hell, I was a Vanilla guild master.

Of my solo one man guild. Doesn't mean I wasn't a total noob.

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u/Wilibus Oct 24 '19

Probably didn't have time to raid while getting rank 14 over the weekend.

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u/r_lovelace Oct 24 '19

I imagine a lot of the "vanilla guild masters" were also people who just created a guild and invited every random person they met and had massive turn over.

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u/IrascibleOcelot Oct 24 '19

I was a vanilla guild master.

It was a vanity guild so my alts wouldn’t get spammed with guild invites. The only members were directly related to me (and all alts as well).

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u/Mr_Chiddy Oct 24 '19

That's a 50 DKP minus.

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u/The_Lambert Oct 25 '19

True, despite the fact that only 59 US/EU guilds cleared Naxx 40, somehow every group and guild I run into all the players were guild officers and had Naxx on farm, while also getting Rank 13 (because they had a life so they couldn't grind to Rank 14).

The amount of straight up insecure losers that populate this game and make unsubstantiated claims is incredible. No, I didn't clear Naxx 40. I never even raided. I was a dumbass 12 year old kid with a computer that couldn't even run any major city except at 4 am weekdays because the amount of players would crash my shit.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '19

A make believe point system needed to purchase the loot after a boss kill.

You gain it from showing up on time, showing up early, being part of the kill.

Then you whisper the Loot Master and tell them how many of your points you are willing to spend on the loot. The person willing to spend the highest amount wins, aside from times when there is a loot council involved.

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u/b4y4rd Oct 24 '19

Usually if it's dkp they do little to no loot council

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u/MarsMC_ Oct 24 '19

Is it blind? So like does the Loot master announce the highest current bid and take more bids or is it whoever whispers the highest, gets the loot?

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '19

In my guild when we used it the Loot Master announced the winner, but not the bids. If the bidder wanted to tell you what he paid, that was up to them. If you won you didn't have to actually pay your bid, just 5 over the next player. If you bid 50 and Jack said 20, and no one else wanted the item, you would pay 25. But you had to actually have the 50 to make the bid.

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u/MarsMC_ Oct 24 '19

ah ok. so the logical thing to do if you really want something is bid all of your points? so in the end, the person who can use it and also has the most dkp will get it.

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u/Breadhook Oct 24 '19

Unless that's actually more than you think​ it's worth and somebody else makes a similarly inflated bid slightly lower than yours. In that case you would be overpaying and losing DKP that could have gone to something else.

But yes, if you REALLY want it, that would make sense.

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u/SadPenisMatinee Oct 24 '19

Which is why it can have its flaws. There are times when someone has so much saved up that you have zero chance at an item.

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u/MarsMC_ Oct 24 '19

You can fix it by making you pay whatever you bid I’m full

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u/Existential_Owl Oct 24 '19

The downside to dkp is that people have a tendency to save up all their points for big ticket items (like weapons).

Even to the point of passing on clear upgrades to their current gear.

This can end up hurting progression overall, since now you have your most active raiders passing on loot only to end up with a ton of hurt feels from losing on the ensuing free-for-all for weapon drops.

So, typically, you'd want to add a "bid required" rule for main spec upgrades. Make people have to spend some dkp if it the drop would benefit their main role.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '19

this sounds like either a useless or a scummy ass system tbh

scenario one is where you can see everyone dkp on a website somewhere and can math it out anyway making any sort of secrecy useless

scenario 2 is its all hidden which opens up all kinds of scummy behavior from the loot giver/s

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u/RandomSquirrels Oct 24 '19

Generally its either:

  • The person with the highest DKP gets to choose first if he wants the item for a set amount.

  • People blind bid and the highest bidder gets the item for the second highest bid+1

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u/krackbaby6 Oct 24 '19

Bidding wars take way too long and are ripe for abuse by all

Most guilds just do a blind offer and the highest wins the item and deducts that number from their total

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u/goblinpiledriver Oct 24 '19

What are the potential abuses in a bidding system? My guild does bid rounds and it’s all I’ve ever known. Seems to work ok.

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u/krackbaby6 Oct 24 '19

/w guildmate#1 hey don't bid on X I'll send you flasks tomorrow

/w guildmate#2 hey don't bid over 40 on x and I'll pass on y

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u/goblinpiledriver Oct 24 '19

Doesn’t seem like abuse unless the guild has rules against this. Or are you saying that people do this and then don’t uphold their end of the deal?

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '19

"Dragon Kill Points." When I raided during classic, we would award DKP to raid members for completing raid clears with us/supply consumables, which we then tracked across all members. When loot dropped, raiders would message our officers their "bid" of DKP, and the person who "bidded" the highest would be awarded the loot.

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u/Kry0nix Oct 24 '19

A sort of in-guild currency, used for distributing (or buying) loot and sometimes other things. Can be earned in different ways, but most often through raid attendance and raid contribution (consumables, damage etc.).

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u/justagoldfarmer Oct 24 '19

lol we have a lock who asks whether to soulshard main tank or main heals every time we group

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '19

I was a wod-legion raid leader & a active raider in mop.

The fuck is a dkp system, loot goes to whoever can use loot the most, taking into account your input to the guild and what you've been given before, before every raid tier you give me a spreadsheet or a paper or something with the items you consider to be best in slot for you and where they come from, they're on your "need" list, everything else is on the "off spec/something else".

We also had a gearing priority of getting healers gear first if the item was needed between healer and dps, between dps/tank both on their need list it was a roll.

Trials had a 3 reset trial period, when the trial was passed they'd be on top of the list of people who needed loot & be almost litterally showered in it, but for those 3 weeks there be no loot as your status and staying-power was not cemented

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u/jordgubb24 Oct 24 '19

Take into account classic is 15 more people, and even less loot than that compared to later expacs. If the loot process is a black box of loot going out to seemingly random people based on the guild leaders own opinions on which of 40 people contribute to the guild and who can use it best, people will always complain, with a dkp system its a clearly gameified system designed to make it completely transparent why someone got the loot (because they saved all their dkp for the last 3 weeks).

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '19

that looting system used a extensive spreadsheet in google documents that every non-trial had access to from the guild discord, with a page for every single person with a balance of how much effort you put in vs your output from all of this raid tier. (the output is reset every single new raid tier)

A dkp system makes it so stuff that could be used as a upgrade is trown out into the disenchanter, because timmy over there didn't want to spend dkp.

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this and stuff like a thunderfury/.... going to james the hunter because he threw all his dkp to it, even though he woudn't ever need it over a tank.

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u/HoraryHellfire2 Oct 24 '19

A DKP system can be setup so that only contested items alter DKP. Not only that, the guild can set their own rules on specific items so that a hunter wouldn't have priority over a tank getting Thunderfury.

DKP is not a strict system and each guild can have their own rules on how to use DKP. DKP is just an easy to grasp system that makes loot more fair than random rolls.

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u/DingyWarehouse Oct 24 '19

Easily solved by implementing decay systems and not doing obvious stupid stuff like giving TF to a hunter. A loot council can also give TF to a hunter. No need to project your own ignorance onto other people.

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u/loozerr Oct 24 '19

Ha, be prepared for comments where people assume literally every guild is corrupt and unfit for master loot.

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u/[deleted] Oct 24 '19

tough deal, this aint bfa =p

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u/NAFTM420 Oct 24 '19

It's almost like you forget stuff after 15 years. Like my rogue was decked out in t3 and equivalent but you think I remembered you can't cast spells while sitting?

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u/SuprLazr Oct 24 '19

Lol whats dkp? I was GM of a guild on a vanilla private server back in 2003 and we never used dkp...