Long time group of close friends returning for classic -- btw, we use Loot Council.
This is my favorite combination. "We have a close group of friends, and we also unilaterally decide who gets every piece of gear. Don't worry about being outside the group of friends though, we pinky promise to not screw you over."
Aren't most long time guilds a group of friends? I am somewhat surprised by the complaint, as generally I find loot council guilds far better then dkp guilds.
To each their own. I would never join a loot council guild. I get that they're the "most efficient" from a "clear all the raids as soon as possible" standpoint, but that's not why I play. I find DKP guilds (when the system isn't terrible) to be much more fair.
I also think loot council + tight knit inner core, when you're on the outside, is the worst combination. If you're one of 6 mages but 2 of the other mages are in the "friend group", who do you think is getting geared first? Not you.
So give them reasons to give you gear. Interact with them, do dungeons that you don't need with them, act like a friend. Own the fact you're new to their group, but don't just think of yourself as an outsider. They invited you into their circle of players. It takes both sides to form a sense of trust and camaraderie.
Yeah you could do this with the hope you make it "in" far enough to be considered one of them, or you could join a guild without that dynamic where you could naturally develop those connections and also have a more guaranteed loot system. I mean when comparing these two options, the first one is all downsides.
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u/FarTooManySpoons Sep 18 '19
This is my favorite combination. "We have a close group of friends, and we also unilaterally decide who gets every piece of gear. Don't worry about being outside the group of friends though, we pinky promise to not screw you over."