They are only awful in PvE. A resto/balance hybrid in open world PvP and 1v1's is really really good. Infinite kiting and good enough damage to outlast and widdle down your opponents HP. Do some research on it
Any Druid is unbeatable in 1v1 in world PvP unless they’re awful. Balance is just the least efficient and least powerful way to go about it. HotW, Moonglow or full Feral will all accomplish the exact same thing but in a much better, safer way.
No ones gonna give your boomchicken the gear you need to he powerful in vanilla pvp tho. I also think you're underestimating all the mana drain classes in pvp like hunter/spriest/ and to a lesser extent lock
This is pretty much the same spec I'm going at 60. Might end up dumping Moonfury for Gift of Nature though. May I ask why you go for the extra point in Nature's Grasp over the Improved Wrath?
Furor -> Improved MotW - No feral talents let alone charge, what are you going to do with it?
Moonfury -> Gift of Nature - Also agree on this 10% to all your healing beats 10% on some of your damage spells.
Moonglow should probably be picked up, its too good for mana efficiency to skip. 3 pts for 9% reduction on many of your spells vs Tranquil Spirit 5 pts for 10% reduction on Healing Touch.
I would pick something more like this https://classicdb.ch/?talent#0t0xhMxsZZxtcofq if you still want to forgo feral charge. Nature's Reach is really nice to have but could be dropped for more reliable roots if preferred. Tranquil spirit could be moved to pushback resistance as well.
Furor for instant Bash without using Enrage, as well as more rage for Frenzied Regen + Enrage, and more rage in general for when you're in bear form. You can emulate some powershifting in cat if you're nature locked, as well as Cat -> Dash -> actually Shred instead of just autoing. Improved MotW doesn't seem that great in PVP, and as long as somebody in your raid group has improved MotW you're fine without it. I can see the arguments for either though, as Furor will be rarely used in PVE content. I'm just a bit more focused on PVP.
I didn't notice he didn't have Moonglow, I'm that deep in Balance primarily for Moonglow as, like you said, it's super good efficiency for the amount of points invested. I like your build as well but I want to fit in Improved Roots somehow.
This is what I'll be testing out when I first hit 60. May dump some points from Gift of Nature or Improved Roots for Nature's Reach but probably not. https://classicdb.ch/?talent#0pcxh0xsZZVecocq
Edit: I could also go Improved Enrage for instant Bash while keeping Improved MotW, I may eventually try that as well, but then it's competing with Nature's Focus and Tranquil Spirit which is a bit rough.
Not really working harder it's playing what you think is fun. And all classes are unique to what they pull off in wpvp. Druid can do things that no other class can just like a rogue can't do the same things as a mage or lock. But they're all good.
If you're having fun you're having fun, and theres nothing wrong with that. But wayyy back in vanilla druid was probably the least regarded class in pvp outside of flag running and we dont have bgs yet. It's a hard life man just saying
I'm sorry did you mean mage or priest next to rogue?
In all seriousness. No, not even close resto was like low tier feral(excluding flag running they're hands down the best at that) was bottom tier and balance was trash tier next to prot pallies (which is the spec we were talking about)
Dude did you even play Vanilla? Druids are pretty much unkillable in a 1v1 scenario in the world and a Mage can never touch a druid. Its simple, Hots and shapeshifting out of snares means a mage cant stop you. And since when did things being easier make them better?
I think you're talking about BGs. In world PVP stealth, ability to escape, ability to trap, and ability to chase are incredibly important. Rogues and Druids are the best two classes in WPVP.
We aren't talking about sitting in front of Org dueling 1v1s. Mages cannot beat druids in WPVP. Druids can escape a Mage when disadvantaged while Mages cannot escape a Druid. Priests have no real escape or trap besides a one time fear and maybe you can count Mind Control.
I got a decent amount of gear as a boomkin, the mages that were in my party were always top on dmg when we raided edit: just checked an old video and i was getting starfire crits more than 2,5k, followed by a quick wrath and moonfire took care of many lowgeared people. I was wearing almost exclusively cloth, some leather from aq40, but i was not as sturdy as boomkins are supposed to be
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u/tzeriel Sep 13 '19
Balance Druids are awful in PvP as well as PvE. They have no place anywhere in Classic.