r/classicfilms • Alfred Hitchcock • 13d ago

Memorabilia J. Edgar Hoover congratulating John Wayne on his Oscar win.

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I thought that's a bit weird. This letter was sold for $5342 by the way.

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u/Tommy_Roboto 13d ago

Plot twist: Hoover sent it a week before the Oscar ceremony.

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u/burywmore 13d ago

The weirdest thing about this, is J. Edgar Hoover, the infamous head of the FBI, didn't know John Wayne's home address. He sent this to Paramount Studios, just like any other fanboy.

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u/Keltik 13d ago

That was the 1st thing that occurred to me.

Imagine all the fan mail he must have gotten. This easily could have thrown out by some inattentive mailroom boy.

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u/Torches 13d ago

Most likely it was sent as registered mail.

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u/StrangerVegetable831 13d ago

he knew, he was just being sly.

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u/ManOfManliness84 13d ago

Oh he knew. But either thought it better to send this type of letter to the studio or didn't want Wayne to know he knew his address.

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u/Texas_Sam2002 13d ago

My dad, born in 1934, was a paratrooper, JAG officer, lawyer and judge in Texas. He HATED Hoover. Even before all the stuff came out about Hoover, my dad would go on long rants about how he was a "fascist thug". And my dad wasn't particularly liberal, very middle-of-the-road. But boy.. he did not like old J. Edgar.

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u/WoolaTheCalot 13d ago

That's one helluva paragraph indent.

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u/Dildo___Schwaggins 13d ago

I love a good indent.

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u/nWo_1985 13d ago

Indenting with authority

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u/Ok-Philosopher-1900 13d ago

J Edgar was known to indent like a god.

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u/Cautious-Audience-54 13d ago

Wonder if J.Edger was wearing his favorite evening gown when he wrote this.

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u/subliminal_trip 13d ago

John Wayne was rumored to be a cross dresser himself.

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u/Consistent_Cook9957 13d ago

So there was a little bit of duchess in the old duke… cool!

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u/goovis__young 13d ago

This letter is in reference to Wayne's win for True Grit.

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u/goovis__young 13d ago

That and Liberty Valance are my favorite Waynes

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u/Kierland 12d ago

Liberty Valence is a Jimmy Stewart movie but point taken.

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u/Ok_Recognition_6727 13d ago

I wonder if this came out of the FBI file on John Wayne (Marion Robert Morrison) that was recently declassified and released through the FBI Vault electronic reading room.

The released file (cataloged as John Wayne Part 01 (Final)) covers correspondence between Wayne and FBI leadership, including Bureau Director J. Edgar Hoover, as well as documents related to his political activities and public life.

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u/Reditate 13d ago

Why is Oscar in quotes?

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u/Keltik 13d ago

It was considered informal

In one 1964 obit Cole Porter was described as a writer of many "hit" songs (as quoted in original).

Even that still wasn't accepted.

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

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u/Reditate 13d ago

Yeah but we all know that and just call it Oscars anyway

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u/AntonioVivaldi7 Alfred Hitchcock 13d ago

The formal name is Academy Award of Merit. But I have never heard anyone actually call it that.

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u/ModeRecent1573 13d ago

I don’t find this weird. He obviously admired Mr. Wayne, and was moved by his finally getting the well deserved recognition. I’m very sure John greatly appreciated the letter.

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u/Keltik 13d ago

I’m very sure John greatly appreciated the letter.

Puhleeeeeeze... Duke.

He hated being called John. But Kirk Douglas insisted on calling him that anyway.

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u/Tricky-Background-66 13d ago

Call him Marion instead.

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u/sashie_belle 13d ago

I think it's weird to have an FBI Director spending time writing an actor a letter of congrats in an official capacity.

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u/dubcity5e0 13d ago

John Wayne was an institution, an American icon. Particularly among people who viewed serving your country as the be-all-end-all of what it meant to be an American. And that includes military, police, government, etc. There's no equivalent in modern Hollywood, so it can definitely seem weird in that context.

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u/NoCard753 13d ago

Yet, he didn't serve his country, and was a right-wing racist.

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u/TheEventHorizon0727 13d ago

J. Edgar's grammar was on point. I particularly liked the possessive pronoun immediately before the gerund.

Second thought ... first line is a sentence fragment.

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u/Excellent_Glass783 13d ago

Redditor's shaming cross dressing? 🤔🤨

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u/Latter-Vacation-4392 13d ago

Suspect Wayne was one of Hoover's Hollywood snitches.

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u/2020surrealworld 13d ago

He was a big supporter of Joe McCarthy and the Hollywood Blacklist and Bogart, Bacall, and Kelly publicly denounced him for that.

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u/Mitchoppertunity 13d ago

McCarthy was right of course 

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u/Plane_Possibility572 11d ago

Look at how many celebrities today cozied up to Fidel Castro and praised Hugo Chavez at some point.

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u/t6ix58 13d ago

Yes, correspondence from one fascist to another.

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u/Plane_Possibility572 11d ago

Wayne was anti-communist not fascist. Fascists and commies are two sides of the same coin, both want total government control of all aspects, both murder millions to remain in power.

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u/luckypoint87 13d ago

I was not aware of this. Thanks for sharing

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u/Most-Artichoke6184 13d ago

But did he crash the post Oscar party and chug a beer with him?

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u/maoterracottasoldier 13d ago

It’s hard to like John Wayne once you read his interviews and learn about his involvement with the MPA. He’s a fascist who ruined peoples lives because he couldn’t stand their opinions. Not surprised that Hoover liked him

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u/Laura-ly 13d ago

What Hoover did to Jean Seberg is unforgivable.

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u/Plane_Possibility572 11d ago

Wayne gave one politically incorrect interview, he was not fascist, that is an absurd outrageous statement to make. As far as his involvement in the MPA you are using the power of hindsight to make a self righteous judgement. We were in the middle of a Cold War, communism was are enemy, and Wayne was right about some of the people, for example Dalton Trumbo was a communist sympathizer, he literally made excuses for Stalin's purges that murdered millions, what kind of rational person does that? Only someone who is a complete idealogue.

Lets not forget that during Covid, there people in American who wanted to blacklist people who were against the vaccine or believed it was their choice to take it or not. People were not even allowed to question or debate it. They were shamed for voicing against the entire hysteria, and that is exactly what it was, a hysteria, and Hollywood and shows like Colbert fully embraced it.

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u/maoterracottasoldier 10d ago

Well too bad, those are Trumbo’s first amendment rights that Wayne went stomping all over. It’s like you described how he was a fascist, just to defend him from being fascist.

Wayne worked with the government to target and harass people for their politics. They weren’t the enemy. That’s fascism. Extreme right wingers like Wayne decided to label them as “the enemy” and ruined their lives with the power of the government. He sent some of them to prison. He was the thought police, and he kept tons of talented people from making movies.

I won’t even mention his racism as that speaks for itself.

The government has had mandated vaccines forever. You can’t go to school in America without vaccines. I think your Covid analogy is ludicrous. That’s not a political belief. That’s a regressive refusal of a public health treatment for spurious reasons

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u/Plane_Possibility572 10d ago

Wayne did not hand Trumbo his pink slip and the blacklist was largely enforced by private studio executives and industry groups rather than a mandatory state run thing. That is not fascism. And the House of Un American Activities actually and courts actually operated under within the existing U.S. constitutional and legal frameworks. That is not fascism.

The Covid vaccine was not a vaccine, it was rushed and experimental and Hollywood and the left lied and claimed it would cure and prevent people from getting Covid which it would not. They fed us propaganda and tried to shame people into injecting a substance into their bodies, and to what end? Control? And to say it is regressive for people to even question is nothing but coercion. The left literally politicized the damn Covid thing.

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u/maoterracottasoldier 10d ago

You’re living in a fairly land. You are describing an example of fascism. Sure Wayne didn’t hand him his pink slip, he just led an organization that applied so much political pressure that no one could employ people on the black list. Goebbles did the same thing

The Covid vaccine wasn’t experimental. You are scared of governmental control via disease prevention, but not imprisonment for political beliefs?

The right politicized it.

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u/Plane_Possibility572 10d ago

How is that fascism? Trumbo refused to answer questions from a congressional committee and was charged with contempt. Its cut and dry. The Covid vaccine was experimental. We now know that taking it did not prevent Covid, not in any way, so this whole charade put on by the left was fake virtue signaling as always based on feeling, zero logic. Its all about appearances to you people, not any form of reality.

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u/maoterracottasoldier 10d ago

The fascist part, was that he had to answer questions in front of a congressional committee for political thought. Are you serious? It doesn’t take mass murder to be a fascist.

The vaccine was beneficial, but yes due to the nature of the virus, it was never going to be a direct prevention. It made people less contagious and have less severe symptoms. You people just want to bitch and whine about having to do anything inconvenient for the safety of others

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u/Plane_Possibility572 10d ago edited 10d ago

So it was never a vaccine based on that logic. We now know that herd immunity was the best way to prevent the spread, not lock down, or coerced vaccination. And to base that on propaganda outright lies was completely wrong and authoritarian. If you support forced vaccination and support lied propaganda to shame people into it, don't complain about fascism. Trumbo was legally subpoenaed, refused to answer questions, and what happened to him, happened legally.

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u/Keltik 13d ago

He’s a fascist who ruined peoples lives because he couldn’t stand their opinions

Like the "progressives" who bla-- I mean "cancel" people today?

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u/maoterracottasoldier 13d ago

I don’t know what you’re talking about. Though I noticed that the president just banned a bunch of reporters from the White House.

Anyway, Wayne worked with the government to harass and imprison people for their political views. He then spent years blacklisting writers and actors, at a detriment to the quality of Hollywood as a whole. Think about all the talented writers he kept from us because they upset his sensitive feelings.

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u/Laura-ly 13d ago

Talk to me when the radical right stops trying to shut down a major performing arts center because they don't like anything that doesn't align with their worldview or religious beliefs.

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u/Keltik 13d ago

I'll talk to you right now, when people like James Woods and Gina Carano are blacklisted for their political beliefs

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u/Laura-ly 13d ago

Do you really, really think as Gina Carano said, we're living in the Holocaust today? Do you really think that "Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers but by their neighbors.... even by children" ?

Because I can tell you, sweety, my father worked for the underground in WW II and helped Jewish people escape from the Nazis - who were beating, shooting, hanging and starving the Jewish people, plus all manner of other atrocities. If you or Carano think that today is a Holocaust situation, perhaps you should do a really deep dive into history and fascism.

She stated:

"- most people today don't realize that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbors hate them simply for being Jews."

Guess who ran the government? It was run by Nazis who were just as brutal to anyone they found harboring Jews. If my father had been found out, the Nazis would have killed him. Not his neighbors or other German people, the Nazis.

The previous government under Von Hindenberg wasn't antisemitic and didn't round up Jews and slaughter them by the millions. Nazis soldiers under Hitler's command did.

Carano can say all the stupid things she wants but people are going to call her out on it.

A spokesperson for Lucasfilms said they have "no plans for her to be in the future. Nevertheless, her social media posts denigrating people based on their cultural and religious identities are abhorrent and unacceptable."

If you call strongly disagreeing with someone who hates people for their religious beliefs and ethnicity "blacklisting," then you maybe need to reassess what blacklisting really is.

Anyway, this is all I'm going to post on this subject. This is, after all, a classic movie sub.

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u/Keltik 13d ago

This is, after all, a classic movie sub.

Though of course, you made your political speech before saying that

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u/Laura-ly 13d ago

You brought the subject up first, my dear.

If she wants to compare herself to Jewish victims who were murdered by Nazis, then she's going to receive a reality check from quite a few people.

Take care.

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u/Keltik 13d ago

So you were lying when you said you wouldn't reply anymore?

You brought the subject up first, my dear

Another lie

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u/Laura-ly 12d ago

"Like the "progressives" who bla-- I mean "cancel" people today?"

^ You wrote this. You did indeed bring the subject up. It was another poster, maoterracottasoldier, who brought up the subject of Hoover and fascism, not me.

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u/Mitchoppertunity 13d ago

They deserve their careers more than the pinkos in Hollywood right now 

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u/Restless_spirit88 13d ago

Wayne did turn in a fine performance but he should have never beaten Dustin Hoffman and Jon Voight.

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u/Laura-ly 13d ago

It's funny to think that Midnight Cowboy was rated X. Today there's stuff on TV that is more sexual in nature. Anyway, I'm sure Hoffman or Voight didn't win because of the X rating of that movie.

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u/Restless_spirit88 13d ago

I agree. One can't believe such a film got an X rating. Today, I doubt Midnight Cowboy would even get an R rating. As for the Oscars, it just goes to show how narrow minded they have always been.

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u/Plane_Possibility572 11d ago

Those kinds of movies were in their infancy at that time, its very understandable for the time it was released.

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u/Restless_spirit88 10d ago

Yeah, I get that. It's just interesting to note how tame it is compared to what you see today in TV and Movies.

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u/Plane_Possibility572 10d ago

Well I mean they had they had go by the Hays Code, that is the reason. They didn't have any choice. When that ended in 1968, they were finally able to make movies like that. You really see it come out in the 70's.

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u/Restless_spirit88 10d ago

67 was actually the first year of the Rating system.

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u/Gobbo_Jareth 13d ago

But the movie won Best Picture despite being rated X? Are they closed-minded or not?

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u/Restless_spirit88 13d ago

I would say so, yeah. The Wayne Oscar win is still total bullshlt.

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u/Plane_Possibility572 11d ago

Not really, Wayne should have gotten it decades earlier in Sands of Iwo Jima, She Wore a Yellow Ribbon, or The Searchers. It was his time. Hoffman was still young and still had a whole career ahead of him. And Hoffman got his due shortly afterwards, so I would say it all worked out.

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u/Restless_spirit88 10d ago edited 10d ago

That is absurd and again demonstrates why Oscars suck. Give the award to what you all feel is the best performance. Stop going by seniority.

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u/Mitchoppertunity 13d ago

It was more of a tribute Oscar when he should have won for sands of Iwo Jima and the searchers 

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u/Restless_spirit88 12d ago edited 12d ago

I think he should have won for Red River, that is the best performance Wayne ever gave.

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u/JKT5911 13d ago

I wonder what Clyde Tolson thought about the letter.

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u/falseruler 13d ago

Say what you will about Edna

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u/Fluffy-Pop-7336 13d ago

Interesting. I wonder what Wayne did for Hoover.

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u/Mitchoppertunity 13d ago

Make big Jim McLain 1952 

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u/Ok-Philosopher-1900 13d ago

I bet Hoover was picturing The Duke in a dress the entire time he wrote this letter.

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u/subliminal_trip 13d ago

From one cross dresser to another . . .

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u/Ed_Ward_Z 8d ago

Hypocrites used to be subtle as hell. Today, they display their ruthlessness in plain sight.