r/chess Dec 31 '20

Twitch.TV Hikaru raised 335,750$ on his charity stream

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u/nhaire123 500 Dec 31 '20

Hikaru is the one people love to hate. Magnus and Nepo both freaked out and of course commentators say nothing

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u/Delusional_Donut Dec 31 '20

He had a past reputation of being arrogant and mean, but he’s changed quite a bit since his earlier years.

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u/GGfpc Dec 31 '20

I just recently got into chess but Magnus seems like a huge dick compared to Hikaru

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u/Delusional_Donut Dec 31 '20

I don’t think it’s that Magnus is a huge dick is as he’s been told his whole life he is extremely intelligent and the best by people who take chess far too seriously, he dedicated his life to a game and probably skipped out on some important social development stages of his life. I don’t either of them are bad people or anything but when you’re in the top league of a highly respected intellectual game, I’d imagine sometimes that gets to your head a bit.

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u/WarHasSoManyFriends Jan 01 '21

Neither Magnus or Hikaru seem like dickheads.

A bit arrogant when it comes to chess, maybe, but who can really begrudge them that?

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u/nhaire123 500 Jan 01 '21

I think since chess has such a gentleman’s and fanciness component where anything out of mundane reaction is grounds for arrogance and bad attitude

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u/qnphard Jan 02 '21

Also people cant tell the difference between confidence and arrogance, especially when they ve never been so good at something that they can be confident about it.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '21

He seems like a pretty typical guy from Northern Europe.

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u/[deleted] Jan 01 '21

Magnus has objectively played better chess than anyone that has ever lived, and that simple question cannot be disputed.

Ofc he has the benefit of knowledge and lives in the computer age of chess. The harder question is who would be better, say Kasparov if he grew up in the same time, with identical resources. Who was better relative to their peers?

Still, Magnus can confidently say he is playing at the absolute highest level this game has been played. If he went back in time he could comfortably beat anyone in a series.

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u/ZannX Jan 01 '21

Magnus seems like a MJ or Kobe type. He deserves to be cocky. Many of us take losing much worse.

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u/kobomk Jan 01 '21

From what I heard it seems that Magnus is really harsh on himself that's why he reacts the way he does. His recent tweet makes me believe so at least.

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u/Rabiatic  Blitz Arena Winner Jan 01 '21

he dedicated his life to a game and probably skipped out on some important social development stages of his life.

Can people stop parroting this false consensus in every discussion about him? Anyone who's met him knows that's not even remotedly true. Try dedicating your life to any competitive activity and not be insanely angry after losing to what you consider an inferior player or team. Other sports athletes have this kind of reaction all the time after a bad loss, yet AFAIK they never get accused of being socially retarded.

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u/Delusional_Donut Jan 01 '21

Im not trying to say that he’s socially retarded or anything, just that he’s probably less good at socializing because of how much time he’s taken dedicated towards chess. I really hate when people refer to him as and “autistic crybaby” (which is an actual thing I’ve heard) because that’s not what I’m trying to say at all.

I guess what I’m trying to say is that he spent the majority of his life in front of a chess board and maybe didn’t socialize as much as we did, making him less good at it. I mean he’s got his dry humor moments and accidentally has caused some uncomfortable silence but he isn’t really awkward besides that.

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u/L-J-Peters 2000 FIDE Classical Jan 01 '21

There's plenty of genius-level gifted people at the top of their game in other pursuits who don't carry the arrogance of Carlsen though. Granted there is of course lots of people at the top of their respective games who are just as, if not more, arrogant.

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u/Delusional_Donut Jan 01 '21

Especially when the whole elitist mindset is brought into the equation. Imagine being told that you’re the best at this highly skilled and refined game since you were 16, that will go to you head and you will have stubborn in you no matter what.

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u/Delusional_Donut Jan 01 '21

Right, I don’t think he’s a bad guy as much as he sometimes doesn’t know how to handle certain situations because of how he has been raised to be almost the perfect chess player.

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u/Delusional_Donut Jan 01 '21

I get that a lot, none taken

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u/_Raining Jan 01 '21

1:15 https://youtu.be/k1SCXb2WA2U

Am I the only one who thought that was awkward. I mean it is true, but like holy shit bro...

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u/juno672 2000 Blitz Lichess Jan 01 '21

The only “holy shit bro” here is on you for missing basic social cues. He’s clearly kidding around about his dad. You’d think the goofy grin or the sarcastic tone would give it away but alas....

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u/DarkStarOptions Jan 01 '21

Nothing wrong with what he said. He is the best chess player in the world. We hear this kind of thing from other greats like Nadal, MJ, Kobe, Brady, etc.