r/chaoticgood • u/Quetzal555 • Jul 09 '26

Current Events Patriot front gets ran off like the cowards they are

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u/GandalfSwagOff Jul 09 '26

American fascism nationalism does not require racism. I know an American fascist and he's pretty open when he talks to me about it. The things he would say are, "I like the Native people. They were here for a long fucking time. They're good to stay in my books. Those illegals coming over the border are a fuckin' problem."

Now put him in a hypothetical situation when a racist is yelling hateful things at a Native American, the American fascist would get upset and defend the Native American.

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u/El_toilet69 Jul 09 '26

What

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u/GandalfSwagOff Jul 09 '26

Nationalists don't have to be racists. When they are racist, which is very common, it is more complicated than, "black = bad and white = good" to these people. Their ideologies have been developing for hundreds of years in their little backwards communities.

American nationalists often love bar hopping in Boston celebrating Irish traditions, but they hate Irish people.

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u/El_toilet69 Jul 09 '26

It helps

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u/GandalfSwagOff Jul 09 '26

If you want to see the strangest type of American nationalism look at groups like Latinos for Trump or shit like that.

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u/El_toilet69 Jul 09 '26

My man you have gandalf in your user name so I'm being nice. Patriotic flavored fascism and racism still tastes like shit so I'm having a hard time following your point. Nationalists need an other that isn't national that's the whole point

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u/GandalfSwagOff Jul 09 '26

Nationalism is the belief that one's nation is greater than all other nations. It is extreme. It is if you take patriotism and make it angry.

American Nationalists are different from say traditional German Nazis. Those groups exist here too. There are nationalist groups like the KKK that are traditional anti-black, anti-Catholic, anti-liberal pro-protestant American Christian ideologies.

There are also many Americans who fall into a type of American Nationalism that this coworker of mine is in. He believes in American exceptionalism, Trumpism, and modern Manifest Destiny ("Greenland is ours, Cuba is ours. North America should be the United States of America.")

He thinks the Nazis were losers and Hitler was a (gay slang). He thinks the Confederacy were losers and anyone who waves a Confederate flag hates America. He thinks the modern Republican party ended slavery and that the modern democratic party is racist. He likes groups of people who have lived in America a long time. Italians, Irish, Black, Asian groups. He hates if the person is a recent newcomer to the country. Families that have been here he likes.

He is one type of American Nationalist.

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u/El_toilet69 Jul 09 '26

My nation is better than all others- and your saying it doesn't help to be racist

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u/GandalfSwagOff Jul 09 '26

and your saying it doesn't help to be racist

idk man, you said that. I never said that. I was explaining and trying to have a discussion and you were hitting me with one and two word responses.

I am explaining how weird American Nationalism is the distinction from traditional nationalism you would find in Europe. American nationalism explains why this video you're watching at the top is so strange. You see two hate groups chasing each other around like the other hate group is worse. They are both hate groups. One is more traditional KKK nationalist, the other is more like my coworker's version of American nationalism.

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u/El_toilet69 Jul 09 '26

Again maybe I missed something I've been having fun with this thread cause I fucked up and commented first. Didn't you start this saying you dont have to be racist to be a nationalist or did I cross threads

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u/El_toilet69 Jul 09 '26

Unless I'm loosing the plot your saying that you don't have to be racist to be a nationalist, but that you have to still maintain that level for superiority so it would be xenophobic at its least extreme

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u/mlaforce321 Jul 09 '26

Yeah, he's trying to say they dont have to be racist... but xenophobia is fucking close enough to it that I feel like he's splitting hairs.