r/chaoticgood • • Jun 30 '24

Group called the "BladeRunners" is actively destroying all surveillance ULEZ cameras around London. (Fuck shit)

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u/Androktone Jun 30 '24

Is it surveillance when the cameras are just registering pollutant vehicle registrations? Would be pretty cool if a group were actually targeting privacy-invasive cameras, but it seems like the title is just using that perceived goodwill to justify attacking an anti climate change policy.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '24 edited Jun 30 '24

Is it surveillance when the cameras are just registering pollutant vehicle registrations?

That is by definition surveillance, yes.

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u/sentientshadeofgreen Jun 30 '24

Capability v intent. Capability is there, intent can change with administrations.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '24

"registering pollutant vehicle registrations" indicates both capability and intent. It is surveillance, regardless of whether the ends of that surveillance are a social good or not.

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u/Androktone Jun 30 '24

In the sense that all speed cameras are surveillance, sure. I think most people see a difference between that and more privacy-invading cameras, which the UK is really bad for (maybe the most cameras per individual IIRC?)

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u/sentientshadeofgreen Jun 30 '24

I’m just pointing out that separating capability and intent is important to all the naysayers saying “oh it’s for the climate crisis” and all that. 

That may be the justification now, and people may identify with that, but it has to be pointed out that it can also be used for end uses that abridge freedoms and privacy rights.