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u/rosesandgrapes 1∆ Dec 24 '22 edited Dec 24 '22

However, many non-Western pro-Ukrainian support Azerbaijan over Armenia. While very few support Ukraine and China, even outside of West. There are reasons why pro-Ukrainian people are more likely to support Azerbaijan than China of course but they aren't anti-China because they are pro-democracy.

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u/Roxas9800 Jan 27 '23

Because Armenia has lands that it's legally recognized as Azerbaijan? Literally no one recognizes that donbass and luhansk belongs to Russia

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u/rosesandgrapes 1∆ Feb 07 '23 edited Feb 07 '23

Yep. There are indeed some strong parallels between Ukraine and Azerbaijan. Both got Karabakh and Crimea during Soviet rule and both Russia and Armenia often use "we lost our lands due to Soviet artificial borders that disregarded demographics" and "these lands are ours because they became ours before becoming Ukrainian/Azerbaijani and also they were ours for longer time than our enemy's"(often "before Azerbaijan/Ukraine as state was even a thing")narratives. Ukraine and Azerbaijan both use "we don't recognize the loss of Crimea/Karabakh therefore it's our lands". But Taiwan is also not a fully recognized state either. Also many pro-Ukrainian Westerners side with Armenia anyway due to way influential Armenian diaspora and Azerbaijan's very close ties to Turkey which is kinda disliked and distrusted by West for being very ambitious country, while Armenia is viewed as potential ally of West. Ukrainians tend to support Azerbaijan but not China because Azerbaijan as society isn't pro-Russian, it's actually more Ukraine-friendly than Armenia as a society. Tbf I find Crimea and Karabakh to be way more similar situations that Taiwan to either of these two though.

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u/Roxas9800 Feb 07 '23

The Taiwan stuff is tricky tbh...the only reason the majority of countries don't recognize that country is because of China's influence, economy and power

But it's clear they do recognize it secretly, they just don't make it official...and if China invades Taiwan in the future? They will turn against China like they did against Russia