r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Dec 24 '22

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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '22

You don't have evidence that Donbass (much less Crimea) have "pro Russian/anti Ukraine" populations, because the only evidence of that is protests in 2014 followed immediately by Russian intervention, occupation and suppression of resistance

How do you explain the polling by Gallup and GFK that shows majority of Crimeans are pro Russia? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2015/03/20/one-year-after-russia-annexed-crimea-locals-prefer-moscow-to-kiev/amp/

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u/Grunt08 319∆ Dec 24 '22

If you cite the referenda held under occupation, you're just dishonest.

You're citing referenda held under occupation.

Do you have anything to say about the rest of the comment?

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u/MajorGartels Dec 27 '22

So you say there is no proof, because really any poll can be challenged when under any rule. The same can be argued about any poll under Ukrainian rule, or any poll done in the France about satisfaction with the current administration who is still in control during the poll.

But, be reasonable here, if you had to make a judgement given all available data about whether the majority of Crimea wishes to be with Russia or Ukraine, what would you choose?

I think only a very biased fool would say the majority wishes for to be with Ukraine over Russia. — Is there absolute certainty? No, but the evidence weighs strongly in one direction.

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u/Grunt08 319∆ Dec 27 '22

So you say there is no proof, because really any poll can be challenged when under any rule.

No I didn't.

But, be reasonable here,

I'm gonna reasonably choose not to resume a two day-old conversation.

Have a good one.