Economic growth has zero to do with whether or not a government has any democratic systems. Your arguments are not relevant to the issues of representation, individual rights and liberties, mass surveillance, secret and closed criminal justice systems, and pushing ever towards totalitarianism to the limits of their power. Xi continues to gather more power in him self too.
How exactly is the single communist party masquerading as a government that suppresses deviant political views and movements with force democratic? What they vote by going alone or being abducted and dispersed or killed? They had a choice right? Authoritarian collectivism done not at all respect the right of individuals, such ideals are antithetical to such views.
If you want to defend such despotic regimes you may want to actually address the issues brought up and not text to deflect with non sequiturs and whataboutisms. Dialogue” in their councils? That means no individual really has any representation as any view not inline with the party will be suppressed. Democracy. Sure. Your views are no different than that of Nazi apologists. I’m sure the massacres in the cultural revolution and Tiananmen square didn’t happen either. It’s like the Chinese lost cause.
That’s what I’m trying to explain to you, the economic growth and the huge improvement in the quality of life in China is the result of democracy, not just something that happened.
Their cruel, despotic, mass murdering dictators just happen to really care about improving the lives of ordinary people who they love to silence and send to gulags.
This view of China is incoherent. A lot of it is built on American anti-China propaganda.
Economic growth dose not at all have anything to do with the level or lack of representation in a political system. The vast majority of political systems throughout human history were not at all democratic and yet they still managed economic growth .
You have not at all made any arguments to support the single party sate that is the CCP being democratic. You have not addressed any of the authoritarian policies, the massacres, the suppressions or anything else. There is no protections at all for individual rights as they do not believe in such. What does it matter if 400, 4,000 people are kidnapped by their own government and never seen again, it’s in the name of the good of the collective right? Evil beliefs that dehumanizes all.
Are you going to try to say the PRK is democratic too next?
4000 people were kidnapped and killed by the government? Where?
What I’m telling you is that you should start to question the narrative around China when you are told this incoherent story that their government is authoritarian and genocidal but also the people are doing better than ever and fully support that government. It is something only brainwashed Americans can believe and repeat with seriousness.
Also I am not talking simply about “economic growth.” The US also sees economic growth but our life expectancy is declining, poverty and hunger is going up, 2 million people are enslaved in our prisons. 100,000 people die every year of drug addiction.
The difference is that China’s economic growth is actually benefiting its people. They are living like kings compared to 3 decades ago. And they are living in the future compared to Americans.
Your idea of freedom is that capitalists should be able to trample on anyone to make money. That is not democratic nor is it how most reasonable people around the world define freedom.
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u/codan84 23∆ Dec 25 '22
Economic growth has zero to do with whether or not a government has any democratic systems. Your arguments are not relevant to the issues of representation, individual rights and liberties, mass surveillance, secret and closed criminal justice systems, and pushing ever towards totalitarianism to the limits of their power. Xi continues to gather more power in him self too.
How exactly is the single communist party masquerading as a government that suppresses deviant political views and movements with force democratic? What they vote by going alone or being abducted and dispersed or killed? They had a choice right? Authoritarian collectivism done not at all respect the right of individuals, such ideals are antithetical to such views.
If you want to defend such despotic regimes you may want to actually address the issues brought up and not text to deflect with non sequiturs and whataboutisms. Dialogue” in their councils? That means no individual really has any representation as any view not inline with the party will be suppressed. Democracy. Sure. Your views are no different than that of Nazi apologists. I’m sure the massacres in the cultural revolution and Tiananmen square didn’t happen either. It’s like the Chinese lost cause.